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I know and I agree. It was posted that Professor Anthon, according to Harris through Joseph Smith, validated the “reformed Egyptian” writings.

I posted what Professor Anthon, himself, said, “The whole story about my having pronounced the Mormonite inscription to be “reformed Egyptian hieroglyphics” is perfectly false.”

Harris was under the impression of a financial windfall coming his way if he financed the BoM. Professor Anthon had nothing to gain or lose. He was only concerned that Harris was being cheated out of his money.

God Bless,
Prodigal Son1
I don’t think that Harris was under this impression at all. Actually, Harris was suspicious about the whole enterprise and his wife was actually dead against him investing any money in the book of mormon.

And so, what do we have: we have Harris going to New York to validate the writings that JS gave him. If Anthon would validate the writings, Harris would be much more intune in investing money in the project, If Anthon rejected the claims, Harris would go home and say, ‘Honey, you were right, JS is a fraud’.
 
Anthon believed “reformed Egyptian” to be a hoax:

The whole story about my having pronounced the Mormonite inscription to be “reformed Egyptian hieroglyphics” is perfectly false. Some years ago, a plain, and apparently simple-hearted farmer, called upon me… Upon examining the paper in question, I soon came to the conclusion that it was all a trick, perhaps a hoax …On hearing this odd story, I changed my opinion about the paper, and, instead of viewing it any longer as a hoax upon the learned, I began to regard it as part of a scheme to cheat the farmer of his money, and I communicated my suspicions to him, warning him to beware of rogues. He requested an opinion from me in writing, which of course I declined giving, and he then took his leave carrying the paper with him. This paper was in fact a singular scrawl. It consisted of all kinds of crooked characters disposed in columns, and had evidently been prepared by some person who had before him at the time a book containing various alphabets. Greek and Hebrew letters, crosses and flourishes, Roman letters inverted or placed sideways, were arranged in perpendicular columns and the whole ended in a rude delineation of a circle divided into various compartments, decked with various strange marks, and evidently copied after the Mexican Calendar given by Humboldt, but copied in such a way as not to betray the source whence it was derived… the paper contained any thing else but “Egyptian Hieroglyphics.”

Okay, here is the problem: Harris went home, convinced that the characters were true. Where did he get that opinion from? If Harris went to Anthon to confirm the characters and Anthon didn’t, why would Harris invest his money since the reasons for going to Anthon in the first place was to validate the characters?
 
Wild speculation on my part:

Perhaps Anthon was the original translator of the Viking text. Then, when he found that it had been warped into blasphemy, he had no choice but to disown his previous effort.

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Anthon believed “reformed Egyptian” to be a hoax:

The whole story about my having pronounced the Mormonite inscription to be “reformed Egyptian hieroglyphics” is perfectly false. Some years ago, a plain, and apparently simple-hearted farmer, called upon me… Upon examining the paper in question, I soon came to the conclusion that it was all a trick, perhaps a hoax …On hearing this odd story, I changed my opinion about the paper, and, instead of viewing it any longer as a hoax upon the learned, I began to regard it as part of a scheme to cheat the farmer of his money, and I communicated my suspicions to him, warning him to beware of rogues. He requested an opinion from me in writing, which of course I declined giving, and he then took his leave carrying the paper with him. This paper was in fact a singular scrawl. It consisted of all kinds of crooked characters disposed in columns, and had evidently been prepared by some person who had before him at the time a book containing various alphabets. Greek and Hebrew letters, crosses and flourishes, Roman letters inverted or placed sideways, were arranged in perpendicular columns and the whole ended in a rude delineation of a circle divided into various compartments, decked with various strange marks, and evidently copied after the Mexican Calendar given by Humboldt, but copied in such a way as not to betray the source whence it was derived… the paper contained any thing else but "Egyptian Hieroglyphics."

Okay, here is the problem: Harris went home, convinced that the characters were true. Where did he get that opinion from? If Harris went to Anthon to confirm the characters and Anthon didn’t, why would Harris invest his money since the reasons for going to Anthon in the first place was to validate the characters?
Couldn’t Harris’ motives been simply greed? You said it yourself, his wife didn’t believe it and thought he was being swindled for his money. It is very possible he fabricated the validation to sway his wife into investing all their money to finance the BoM because of the profits he hoped to make.

Even after discovering the markings were false, Harris mortgaged his farm because of the possible financial windfall he speculated on.

What reason would Professor Anthon have for lieing? He had nothing to gain or lose either way of his findings. Read his statement and see he was concerned a poor farmer was being swindled out of his money.

God Bless,
Prodigal Son1
 
Couldn’t Harris’ motives been simply greed? You said it yourself, his wife didn’t believe it and thought he was being swindled for his money. It is very possible he fabricated the validation to sway his wife into investing all their money to finance the BoM because of the profits he hoped to make.

God Bless,
Prodigal Son1
Harris would not take a trip to new york and meet an expert only to stage the event. He went there to validate the characters. I think that Harris was probably on board by this time but of course, the validation would go a long ways with his wife and for Harris too. Harris was a smart business man and certainly not poor. He didn’t need to get rich since he had money already.

Here is a good explanation of Martin Harris:

lightplanet.com/mormons/people/martin_harris.html

In February 1828, Harris visited Joseph Smith in Harmony and obtained a transcription and translation of characters from the plates. He took the two documents to “learned men” in Utica, Albany, and New York City, where Samuel Latham Mitchill and Charles Anthon examined the texts. Harris and Smith believed that these visits fulfilled a prophecy in Isaiah 29:11-14 concerning a book to be translated by an unlearned man. Harris hoped that the scholars’ comments would help win financial and religious support for the Book of Mormon in the community (see Anthon Transcript).
 
Here is something else about the Anthon transcipt:

Anthon Transcript

by Danel W. Bachman

The Anthon Transcript was a sheet of paper, thought to be lost, upon which Joseph Smith copied sample “reformed Egyptian” characters from the plates of the Book of Mormon. In the winter of 1828, Martin Harris showed these characters to Dr. Charles Anthon of Columbia College (now Columbia University), and hence the name.

In February 1828, Martin Harris, a farmer from Palmyra, New York, visited the Prophet Joseph Smith, who was then residing in harmony, pennsylvania, where he had just begun to translate the Book of Mormon (see Book of Mormon Translation by Joseph Smith). Smith had earlier turned to Harris for financial backing for the translation; now Harris came to Harmony to take samples of the reformed Egyptian characters from the gold plates (cf. Morm. 9:32), thereafter to obtain scholarly opinion about their authenticity. Smith gave Harris a copy of some of the characters, along with a translation, which Harris then presented to at least three scholars in the eastern United States. The most important of these, given the nature of the inquiry, was Charles Anthon, an acclaimed classicist at Columbia College.

The two men’s accounts of the meeting differ. Harris said that Professor Anthon gave him a certificate verifying the authenticity of the characters but that when Anthon learned that Joseph Smith claimed to have received the plates from an angel, he took the certificate back and destroyed it. Anthon, for his part, left written accounts in 1834 and 1841 in which he contradicted himself on whether he had given Harris a written opinion about the document. In both accounts, apparently to dissociate himself from appearing to promote the book, he maintained that he told Harris that he (Harris) was a victim of a fraud. Modern research suggests that, given the state of knowledge of Egyptian in 1828, Anthon’s views would have been little more than opinion. Whatever the case may be about a written statement from Anthon, Harris returned to Harmony ready to assist Joseph Smith with the translation.

The reorganized church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints possesses a handwritten text known as the Anthon Transcript that contains seven horizontal lines of characters apparently copied from the plates. David Whitmer, who once owned the document, said it was this text that Martin Harris showed to Charles Anthon. However, this claim remains uncertain because the transcript does not correspond with Anthon’s assertion that the manuscript he saw was arranged in vertical columns. Even if the document is not the original, it almost certainly represents characters either copied from the plates in Joseph Smith’s possession or copied from the document carried by Harris. Twice in late 1844, after the Prophet’s martyrdom, portions of these symbols were published as characters that Joseph Smith had copied from the gold plates—once as a broadside and once in the December 21 issue of the Mormon newspaper The Prophet (see Magazines). In 1980 a document surfaced that seemed to match Anthon’s description and appeared to be the original Anthon Transcript. But in 1987, Mark W. Hofmann admitted that he had forged it (see Forgeries).

Harris’s visit with scholars was more than just an interesting sidelight in the history of Mormonism. By his own report, Harris returned to Harmony convinced that the characters were genuine. Thereafter, he willingly invested his time and resources to see the Book of Mormon published. Moreover, the Prophet, Harris himself, and later generations of Latter-day Saints have viewed his visit as a fulfillment of Isaiah 29:11-12, which speaks of “a book that is sealed” being delivered to “one that is learned” who could not read it (PJS 1:9; cf. 2 Ne. 27:6-24; see also Book of Mormon, Biblical Prophecies About). His efforts apparently encouraged Joseph Smith in the initial stages of the translation. The Anthon Transcript is also important to subsequent generations as an authentic sample of characters that were inscribed on the gold plates and thus one of the few tangible evidences of their existence.

lightplanet.com/mormons/daily/history/1820_1831/anthon_eom.htm
 
Harris would not take a trip to new york and meet an expert only to stage the event. He went there to validate the characters. I think that Harris was probably on board by this time but of course, the validation would go a long ways with his wife and for Harris too. Harris was a smart business man and certainly not poor. He didn’t need to get rich since he had money already.

Here is a good explanation of Martin Harris:

lightplanet.com/mormons/people/martin_harris.html
And what reason did Professor Anthon have for lieing? He had nothing to gain either way.

And for your statement on people with money…come on, you never heard of people with money wanting more money?

I used a neutral source to tell me the story and post from. There will be a slant to protect the interests of the LDS by going to their website to get an explanation. :rolleyes: .

God Bless,
Prodigal Son1
 
And what reason did Professor Anthon have for lieing? He had nothing to gain either way.

And for your statement on people with money…come on, you never heard of people with money wanting more money?

I used a neutral source to tell me the story and post from. There will be a slant to protect the interests of the LDS by going to their website to get an explanation. :rolleyes: .

God Bless,
Prodigal Son1
Harris and Smith believed that these visits fulfilled a prophecy in Isaiah 29:11-14 concerning a book to be translated by an unlearned man.

I don’t know but in light of the Isaiah prophecy, the answer could be found with god. 🙂
 
Harris and Smith believed that these visits fulfilled a prophecy in Isaiah 29:11-14 concerning a book to be translated by an unlearned man.

I don’t know but in light of the Isaiah prophecy, the answer could be found with god. 🙂
Joseph Smith, the poor ole money digger you make him out ot be. :rolleyes:
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 111
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Salem, Massachusetts, August 6, 1836. HC 2: 465–466. At this time the leaders of the Church were heavily in debt due to their labors in the ministry. Hearing that a large amount of money would be available to them in Salem, the Prophet, Sidney Rigdon, Hyrum Smith, and Oliver Cowdery traveled there from Kirtland, Ohio, to investigate this claim, along with preaching the gospel. The brethren transacted several items of church business and did some preaching. When it became apparent that no money was to be forthcoming, they returned to Kirtland. Several of the factors prominent in the background are reflected in the wording of this revelation.
1–5, The Lord looks to the temporal needs of his servants; 6–11, He will deal mercifully with Zion and arrange all things for the good of his servants.
1 I, the Lord your God, am anot displeased with your coming this journey, notwithstanding your follies.
2 I have much atreasure in this city for you, for the benefit of Zion, and many people in this city, whom I will gather out in due time for the benefit of Zion, through your instrumentality.
3 Therefore, it is expedient that you should form aacquaintance with men in this city, as you shall be led, and as it shall be given you.
4 And it shall come to pass in due time that I will agive this city into your hands, that you shall have power over it, insomuch that they shall not bdiscover your secret parts; and its wealth pertaining to gold and silver shall be yours.
5 Concern not yourselves about your adebts, for I will give you power to pay them.
6 Concern not yourselves about Zion, for I will deal mercifully with her.
7 Tarry in this place, and in the regions round about;
8 And the place where it is my will that you should tarry, for the main, shall be signalized unto you by the apeace and power of my bSpirit, that shall flow unto you.
9 This place you may obtain by hire. And inquire diligently concerning the more ancient inhabitants and founders of this city;
10 For there are more treasures than one for you in this city.
11 Therefore, be ye as awise as serpents and yet without bsin; and I will order all things for your cgood, as fast as ye are able to receive them. Amen.
Joseph Smith nor other LDS leaders ever found any treasures in Salem. They did not take control of Salem, nor have any Mormons since. The “many people” were never gathered out, as only 13 were baptized out of the whole city. The silver and gold prophesied was never found. They returned to Kirtland, OH without funds to pay their debts.

Is this a failed prophesy (revelation) by a poor ole money digger?

God Bless,
Prodigal Son1
 
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