A Brand New 4-minute Video Regarding Catholic Sacred Music

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I would be interested to hear what others think of this four-minute Catholic video:

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It speaks of “reclaiming” the traditional Catholic music, which the Second Vatican Council called for.
  1. The Church acknowledges Gregorian chant as specially suited to the Roman liturgy: therefore, other things being equal, it should be given pride of place in liturgical services.
    CONSTITUTION ON THE SACRED LITURGY SACROSANCTUM CONCILIUM SOLEMNLY PROMULGATED BY HIS HOLINESS POPE PAUL VI ON DECEMBER 4, 1963
 
That’s a fantastic hymnal, but I don’t think that the majority of parishes will use it. I know my local OCP/GIA parish wouldn’t touch this with a ten-foot pole. They don’t want chant or polyphony at all and do all they can to keep it out of Mass, though it does sneak in on major holidays.

Catholic sacred music at most Masses I’ve attended is hardly Catholic, hardly sacred, hardly music. But it is allowed via the loophole (“in another setting”) in the 2011 GIRM. One has a better chance of hearing Catholic sacred music in a concert hall than in one’s parish.
 
I_Thirst said:
Catholic sacred music at most Masses I’ve attended is hardly Catholic, hardly sacred, hardly music. But it is allowed via the loophole (“in another setting”) in the 2011 GIRM. One has a better chance of hearing Catholic sacred music in a concert hall than in one’s parish.
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This is true.

I think it’s funny that the OP posed the idea that VII called for a “reclaiming” of traditional Catholic music, because I thought traditional Catholic music was already widespread at that time.
 
YoungTradCath said:
This is true.

I think it’s funny that the OP posed the idea that VII called for a “reclaiming” of traditional Catholic music, because I thought traditional Catholic music was already widespread at that time.
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Eh! Exactly. These sound beautiful. In St Peters Monastry we have proper music now and again, but most of the time the usual solo acoustic guitar and protestant sing songs which all seem to follow a very similar note pattern (not to offend the woman at all as she certainly does her best on her part) but God forbid a Catholic mass should be a little bit Catholic.
 
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As the Church is trying to bring more authentic liturgy with the New Translation of the Missal, I think this is a great opportunity for the restoration of sacred music in local parishes, and this Vatican II hymnal is a great tool for it.

“Here is a quick list of ten great things about the Vatican II Hymnal. In no particular order:”
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Contains the Order of Mass for both the EF and OF.

Contains all the readings for ALL THREE YEARS in the OF. No need for Missalettes.

Is over 700 pages long but is still the size of a normal book.

Includes numerous settings of Alleluias and Gospel Acclamations.

Includes the text of the sequences in Latin AND English.

Includes solid, singable hymns.

For each hymn the editor has included a suggested occasion for deployment.

Includes Offertory verses! Yes, they exist!

Includes the ICEL setting of the new translation of the Mass; and further settings by Rice, Weber,and more.

Includes great graphics that you could copy (I think photocopying one page for personal use is allowed) and give to your children with a pack of colored pencils (after Mass).
chantcafe.com/2011/11/need-to-recommend-hymnal.html

Maybe those who are interested in the sacred music for the Holy Mass in their parishes can help the pastor by sending him the link about the hymnal with the reasons listed above while help the parishioners get interested in the authentic liturgy and sacred music.

This is an example what my friend is doing in her parish;

She started a small group talk on the New Translation and extended her talk on sacred music after a series of the talk. (She is inviting a guest speaker on this.) She consulted with the pastor on the content, that made him get more interested in the sacred music. She is now reading lots of church documents on sacred music and presents them to those who are interested in the authentic liturgy. She is ready to present Vatican II hymnal. I think focusing on the education of the people can be a great strategy, and someone in the parish has to volunteer to make effort in doing this, if staff members are too busy to do it.
 
And I do not understand how the CC allows such bad music be played at the parishes. Who is in charge here, the parishes or the Vatican?
 
My parish is buying this hymnal. We’re doing this through donations. The hymnal is $15 a copy (if you buy 300). Our rector found enough people (including me) to donate the required sum.

I’ve seen and handled one. It is gorgeous. It has the entire OF and EF Masses, Latin and English, all the OF Sunday Mass readings, plus many sacred hymns and chants. Supposed to arrive before the 27th; I can’t wait.
 
I believe Vatican trust local parishes and diocese in granting ‘pastoral decisions,’ since there are always faithful Catholics who can help the entire parish to follow the Church’s instruction faithfully and seek for the truth even though they are a small number. As much as God respects our freedom in following Him while He gives us the specific instruction to do so, so does His Church.
 
mia2 said:
I believe Vatican trust local parishes and diocese in granting ‘pastoral decisions,’ since there are always faithful Catholics who can help the entire parish to follow the Church’s instruction faithfully and seek for the truth even though they are a small number. As much as God respects our freedom in following Him while He gives us the specific instruction to do so, so does His Church.
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This is not shwoing leadership. A parish is not to be left to themselves but it is to follow in obedience to the Church. Something is really wrong here. Because this thing of Parish being in charge leaves many Catholics abandoned to things that are different from the others. That is not what the Church is about.
 
such as?
  • Amazing Grace
  • God of our Fathers
  • Be thou my vision
The first two are somewhat protestant in nature, though more than acceptable for Catholic Worship.
 
wisdomseeker said:
This is not shwoing leadership. A parish is not to be left to themselves but it is to follow in obedience to the Church. Something is really wrong here. Because this thing of Parish being in charge leaves many Catholics abandoned to things that are different from the others. That is not what the Church is about.
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I agree. We wonder why we have so much dissent. Part of it, to be sure, is due to secular influences. But I also can’t help but think that much of it, also, is due to the “parish knows best” idea.
 
GwenL said:
My parish is buying this hymnal. We’re doing this through donations. The hymnal is $15 a copy (if you buy 300). Our rector found enough people (including me) to donate the required sum.

I’ve seen and handled one. It is gorgeous. It has the entire OF and EF Masses, Latin and English, all the OF Sunday Mass readings, plus many sacred hymns and chants. Supposed to arrive before the 27th; I can’t wait.
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You are blessed. This will never be allowed here. the priest already said to the people there will no Latin here. instead they have these awfull music hard to hear.
 
mburn16 said:
such as?
  • Amazing Grace
  • God of our Fathers
  • Be thou my vision
The first two are somewhat protestant in nature, though more than acceptable for Catholic Worship.
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Nonsense music, particularly the first one.
 
wisdomseeker said:
You are blessed. This will never be allowed here. the priest already said to the people there will no Latin here. instead they have these awfull music hard to hear.
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I always get a kick out of people saying “my priest doesn’t allow latin.” Wow. That’s sure the spirit of Vatican II…
 
wisdomseeker said:
You are blessed. This will never be allowed here. the priest already said to the people there will no Latin here. instead they have these awfull music hard to hear.
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Yes we are blessed. But it’s a fight with many of the parishioners, who hate Latin and hate chant.

We have a once-per-month EF Missa Cantata; started one year ago. We have a weekly (Saturday a.m.) OF Mass in Latin, all sung and chanted. We have heaven on earth in our cathedral.

Our rector started incorporating more Latin into some of the Sunday Masses (accompanied by gentle catechesis) and has gotten extreme pushback from the group of long-timers who think that they own the parish and direct the liturgy. He incorporated Latin ordinaries only–the Sanctus, the Agnus Dei, the Pater Noster, to start and the volume of hate mail to the bishop was astounding. Even before bringing Latin into the Mass, he started to teach us vernacular chant and got pushback on that. People refused to chant the Our Father, in English.

Our rector got rid of some awful “Protestantized” hymnals and scrounged some Adoremus hymnals. One woman told him she felt that she’d been “raped” when her beloved hymnals were removed so suddenly.

My point is, don’t put all the blame on the priests. There are plenty of parishioners who think they know best and will fight any change, even a change back to the celebration of the Mass in accordance with the mind of Holy Mother Church.

I think that many priests know this and may want to incorporate Latin and chant yet not be willing to fight this fight, especially if they think they are alone and unsupported. The best you can do is to let your priest know that you support him–and then do so, with charitable letters to the bishop.
 
GwenL said:
Yes we are blessed. But it’s a fight with many of the parishioners, who hate Latin and hate chant.

We have a once-per-month EF Missa Cantata; started one year ago. We have a weekly (Saturday a.m.) OF Mass in Latin, all sung and chanted. We have heaven on earth in our cathedral.

Our rector started incorporating more Latin into some of the Sunday Masses (accompanied by gentle catechesis) and has gotten extreme pushback from the group of long-timers who think that they own the parish and direct the liturgy. He incorporated Latin ordinaries only–the Sanctus, the Agnus Dei, the Pater Noster, to start and the volume of hate mail to the bishop was astounding. Even before bringing Latin into the Mass, he started to teach us vernacular chant and got pushback on that. People refused to chant the Our Father, in English.

Our rector got rid of some awful “Protestantized” hymnals and scrounged some Adoremus hymnals. One woman told him she felt that she’d been “raped” when her beloved hymnals were removed so suddenly.

My point is, don’t put all the blame on the priests. There are plenty of parishioners who think they know best and will fight any change, even a change back to the celebration of the Mass in accordance with the mind of Holy Mother Church.

I think that many priests know this and may want to incorporate Latin and chant yet not be willing to fight this fight, especially if they think they are alone and unsupported. The best you can do is to let your priest know that you support him–and then do so, with charitable letters to the bishop.
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What a sad story. Even the most hardened anti-chant congregation will usually sing the our father. Sad, sad, sad.
 
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