A Brand New 4-minute Video Regarding Catholic Sacred Music

[mia2]

The problem I have in my parish and other parishes nearby is that many pastors and other priests don’t seemed to have much knowledge in liturgy and the tradition. Whenever I quote the Church’s documents on the liturgy, they seemed to be surprised, but don’t know how to change or don’t want to change things they have been doing, so they don’t upset the parishioners. There are many debatable ‘options’ in GIRM that some liberal Catholic take for granted. So what we can do is that those people who are interested in authentic liturgy can help them by volunteering to do something at their parishes instead of avoiding them or confronting them.

 

[liturgyluver]

Nonsense music, particularly the first one.

What is nonscensical about Be thou my Vision? It’s an old Irish text used in the monastical tradition, and the tune it is normally sung to a traditional Irish tune Slane?

 

[centurionguard]

And I do not understand how the CC allows such bad music be played at the parishes. Who is in charge here, the parishes or the Vatican?

I don’t think its difficult to understand how Catholic music and certain aspects of liturgical abuse got infused within the Church in the last 45 plus years in various countries.

Is it too disrespectful to say Bishops and Priests gave too much leeway to liturgical committee’s most of whom were the laity too educated for the better good of the Church. How much liturgical reform of the reform of the reform has been going on in the last four and half decades. Seems self explanatory to me with all due respect.

With regards to the video I though it was fantastic. I find in a number of respects U.S. Bishops, Priest and laity are more faithful and rigid in keeping with the Vatican than in certain parts of my country. Perhaps its just a personal opinion.

I could only dream and almost cry if the return of more Catholic Music came into the Church, and its not just because I love the ole Gregorian. Too much music over the last four and a half decades most especially in the Canadian Catholic Book of Worship II and III Music Book has become so ecumenically Protestantnized. My hope is that we get the same book in the video in my country.

 

[mia2]

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[mia2]

“But it’s a fight with many of the parishioners, who hate Latin and hate chant.”

As a convert, I don’t understand Catholics who ‘hate’ Catholic tradition. Isn’t it an important part of our faith? As our Holy Father says, what has been sacred remains sacred and can not suddenly become forbidden.

Maybe you can post some quotes from Church’s documents in the parish bulletin. I think it’s a charity to inform people with truths, because our faith is based on Magisterium and Tradition of the Church as well as the Scriptures. Some people might get upset at first, but I think they need to hear them.

“The Church acknowledges Gregorian chant as specially suited to the Roman liturgy: therefore, other things being equal, it should be given first place in liturgical services.” (Section 116, the Second Vatican Council, in its Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy)

“Steps should be taken so that the faithful may also be able to say or to sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass which pertain to them.” (Section 54, the Second Vatican Council, in its Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy)

 

[TheMc]

“But it’s a fight with many of the parishioners, who hate Latin and hate chant.”

As a convert, I don’t understand Catholics who ‘hate’ Catholic tradition. Isn’t it an important part of our faith? As our Holy Father says, what has been sacred remains sacred and can not suddenly become forbidden.

Maybe you can post some quotes from Church’s documents in the parish bulletin. I think it’s a charity to inform people with truths, because our faith is based on Magisterium and Tradition of the Church as well as the Scriptures. Some people might get upset at first, but I think they need to hear them.

“The Church acknowledges Gregorian chant as specially suited to the Roman liturgy: therefore, other things being equal, it should be given first place in liturgical services.” (Section 116, the Second Vatican Council, in its Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy)

“Steps should be taken so that the faithful may also be able to say or to sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass which pertain to them.” (Section 54, the Second Vatican Council, in its Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy)

Great idea! Loving people doesn’t always being “nice.” It means doing what’s best for them. And right now, those people need to hear that message.

 

[I_Thirst]

“But it’s a fight with many of the parishioners, who hate Latin and hate chant.”

As a convert, I don’t understand Catholics who ‘hate’ Catholic tradition. Isn’t it an important part of our faith? As our Holy Father says, what has been sacred remains sacred and can not suddenly become forbidden.

I’m a convert too! I’ve noticed the same thing. I recall asking choir directors about chant when I was converting and they just shrugged. If I asked about Palestrina, they’d respond with “is he like Bach?” It’s a shame that they don’t realize that Bach is basically the Lutheran Palestrina.

Maybe you can post some quotes from Church’s documents in the parish bulletin. I think it’s a charity to inform people with truths, because our faith is based on Magisterium and Tradition of the Church as well as the Scriptures. Some people might get upset at first, but I think they need to hear them.

“The Church acknowledges Gregorian chant as specially suited to the Roman liturgy: therefore, other things being equal, it should be given first place in liturgical services.” (Section 116, the Second Vatican Council, in its Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy)

“Steps should be taken so that the faithful may also be able to say or to sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass which pertain to them.” (Section 54, the Second Vatican Council, in its Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy)

I think this is a wonderful idea, but I know it doesn’t work in my local parish (and I have a feeling that it wouldn’t even work well across the parishes in my diocese judging from the music that I’ve heard). I joined choirs, did the research, asked questions, and I even ran a schola cantorum – the parish was quite hostile towards the schola.

All things are possible with God, and He may have different plans for your parish. Join the choir, pray and be patient, and see what you can do!

 

[liturgyluver]

“But it’s a fight with many of the parishioners, who hate Latin and hate chant.”

As a convert, I don’t understand Catholics who ‘hate’ Catholic tradition. Isn’t it an important part of our faith? As our Holy Father says, what has been sacred remains sacred and can not suddenly become forbidden.

Maybe you can post some quotes from Church’s documents in the parish bulletin. I think it’s a charity to inform people with truths, because our faith is based on Magisterium and Tradition of the Church as well as the Scriptures. Some people might get upset at first, but I think they need to hear them.

“The Church acknowledges Gregorian chant as specially suited to the Roman liturgy: therefore, other things being equal, it should be given first place in liturgical services.” (Section 116, the Second Vatican Council, in its Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy)

“Steps should be taken so that the faithful may also be able to say or to sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass which pertain to them.” (Section 54, the Second Vatican Council, in its Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy)

I love Gregorian Chant and agree that it should continue to play a prominent role. I think, therefore, that it’s a shame that the language of this section of the constitution was clouded with so many generalities that people read into it what they will. Other sections for example talk about the pipe organ being prominent but other instruments being admitted for worship, and respecting local musical traditions. This section of the document as a whole is ambiguous enough to be read (or misread) according to one’s point of view.

 

[I_Thirst]

I love Gregorian Chant and agree that it should continue to play a prominent role. I think, therefore, that it’s a shame that the language of this section of the constitution was clouded with so many generalities that people read into it what they will. Other sections for example talk about the pipe organ being prominent but other instruments being admitted for worship, and respecting local musical traditions. This section of the document as a whole is ambiguous enough to be read (or misread) according to one’s point of view.

I actually believe that the GIRM is reasonably clear. It is we who are muddled about it.

The bottom line is that the style of music used in the majority of parishes won’t change. Whether we pray in pews about it, petition our pastors, or join the choirs and catechize musicians, what’ve you heard before is what you’ll hear once the new translations appear in Advent.

Note that when there’s a change, such as Vat II or a new translation or a new GIRM, things tend to go from bad to worse and then as some time passes (slow Catholic time) they eventually better just before they change again.

If you thought the music was bad now, it’ll probably get worse. Pray for perserverance and a good set of spiritual ear plugs!

 

[TheMc]

If you thought the music was bad now, it’ll probably get worse. Pray for perserverance and a good set of spiritual ear plugs!

I’ll be praying for more than spiritual earplugs if I have to go to mass outside my parish.

 

[YoungTradCath]

What is nonscensical about Be thou my Vision? It’s an old Irish text used in the monastical tradition, and the tune it is normally sung to a traditional Irish tune Slane?

The first one is Amazing Grace. I meant that one.

 

[YoungTradCath]

“But it’s a fight with many of the parishioners, who hate Latin and hate chant.”

As a convert, I don’t understand Catholics who ‘hate’ Catholic tradition. Isn’t it an important part of our faith? As our Holy Father says, what has been sacred remains sacred and can not suddenly become forbidden.

Maybe you can post some quotes from Church’s documents in the parish bulletin. I think it’s a charity to inform people with truths, because our faith is based on Magisterium and Tradition of the Church as well as the Scriptures. Some people might get upset at first, but I think they need to hear them.

“The Church acknowledges Gregorian chant as specially suited to the Roman liturgy: therefore, other things being equal, it should be given first place in liturgical services.” (Section 116, the Second Vatican Council, in its Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy)

“Steps should be taken so that the faithful may also be able to say or to sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass which pertain to them.” (Section 54, the Second Vatican Council, in its Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy)

Exactly! I am a convert, and I’ve always wondered why cradle Catholics pretty much abhor their tradition and outward identity.

 

[wisdomseeker]

“But it’s a fight with many of the parishioners, who hate Latin and hate chant.”

As a convert, I don’t understand Catholics who ‘hate’ Catholic tradition. Isn’t it an important part of our faith? As our Holy Father says, what has been sacred remains sacred and can not suddenly become forbidden.

Maybe you can post some quotes from Church’s documents in the parish bulletin. I think it’s a charity to inform people with truths, because our faith is based on Magisterium and Tradition of the Church as well as the Scriptures. Some people might get upset at first, but I think they need to hear them.

“The Church acknowledges Gregorian chant as specially suited to the Roman liturgy: therefore, other things being equal, it should be given first place in liturgical services.” (Section 116, the Second Vatican Council, in its Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy)

“Steps should be taken so that the faithful may also be able to say or to sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass which pertain to them.” (Section 54, the Second Vatican Council, in its Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy)

The thing is that there arebtoo many voices teaching them just the contrary to what the Vatican is telling them. It is the bishops fault for not chosing Traditional teachers to teach the people the Truth.

 

[centurionguard]

Originally Posted by mia2
“But it’s a fight with many of the parishioners, who hate Latin and hate chant.”

As a convert, I don’t understand Catholics who ‘hate’ Catholic tradition. Isn’t it an important part of our faith? As our Holy Father says, what has been sacred remains sacred and can not suddenly become forbidden.

Maybe you can post some quotes from Church’s documents in the parish bulletin. I think it’s a charity to inform people with truths, because our faith is based on Magisterium and Tradition of the Church as well as the Scriptures. Some people might get upset at first, but I think they need to hear them.

“The Church acknowledges Gregorian chant as specially suited to the Roman liturgy: therefore, other things being equal, it should be given first place in liturgical services.” (Section 116, the Second Vatican Council, in its Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy)

“Steps should be taken so that the faithful may also be able to say or to sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass which pertain to them.” (Section 54, the Second Vatican Council, in its Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy)

Exactly! I am a convert, and I’ve always wondered why cradle Catholics pretty much abhor their tradition and outward identity.

Mia’s correct; but I don’t think its fair to say All Cradle Catholic’s abhor Tradition.
I’m a Cradle Catholic who loves my Church and believes that a Catholic Church without Tradition is not a genuine Catholic Church at all. Hold strong to the Magisterium, the past teachings of the Church Fathers and the Saints and your Faith will always stay strong with the grace of God. But that means not merely knowing your Faith but Living it with every fiber of your being. We must “never” take our Catholic Faith for granted. The moment we do, we’ve lost it.

Its no secret that many Convert Catholic’s become stronger and more faithful Catholic’s than many Cradle Catholic’s.

 

[GwenL]

“But it’s a fight with many of the parishioners, who hate Latin and hate chant.”

As a convert, I don’t understand Catholics who ‘hate’ Catholic tradition. Isn’t it an important part of our faith? As our Holy Father says, what has been sacred remains sacred and can not suddenly become forbidden.

Maybe you can post some quotes from Church’s documents in the parish bulletin. I think it’s a charity to inform people with truths, because our faith is based on Magisterium and Tradition of the Church as well as the Scriptures. Some people might get upset at first, but I think they need to hear them.

“The Church acknowledges Gregorian chant as specially suited to the Roman liturgy: therefore, other things being equal, it should be given first place in liturgical services.” (Section 116, the Second Vatican Council, in its Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy)

“Steps should be taken so that the faithful may also be able to say or to sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass which pertain to them.” (Section 54, the Second Vatican Council, in its Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy)

Done, done, and done. Over and over and over again. Done in the bulletin. Done from the ambo, catechesis prior to Mass and during the homily. Done in music handouts. Done in an Ordo Missae handout, with side-by-side English and Latin. There are some people whom this just won’t help. They “know” what Vatican II said and they’re not going “back” to Latin.

Not only the Council, but every Pope you can find talks about how important it is to maintain and use Latin in the Mass.

On the positive side, our growing young adult population loves Latin and loves chant. The teens I teach in CCD think it’s cool to learn the prayers in Latin. The littler ones don’t seem to know that Latin is too hard to learn–they sing it like it’s second nature. I think that the young adults and converts will be carrying this banner. The biological solution will prevail with the remainder.

 

[YoungTradCath]

Done, done, and done. Over and over and over again. Done in the bulletin. Done from the ambo, catechesis prior to Mass and during the homily. Done in music handouts. Done in an Ordo Missae handout, with side-by-side English and Latin. There are some people whom this just won’t help. They “know” what Vatican II said and they’re not going “back” to Latin.

Not only the Council, but every Pope you can find talks about how important it is to maintain and use Latin in the Mass.

On the positive side, our growing young adult population loves Latin and loves chant. The teens I teach in CCD think it’s cool to learn the prayers in Latin. The littler ones don’t seem to know that Latin is too hard to learn–they sing it like it’s second nature. I think that the young adults and converts will be carrying this banner. The biological solution will prevail with the remainder.

I’ve refrained from using the term “biological solution” in the past for fear of being labelled a Holocaust-monger or something ridiculous, but I agree completely.

 

[mia2]

Done, done, and done. Over and over and over again. Done in the bulletin. Done from the ambo, catechesis prior to Mass and during the homily. Done in music handouts. Done in an Ordo Missae handout, with side-by-side English and Latin. There are some people whom this just won’t help. They “know” what Vatican II said and they’re not going “back” to Latin.

Not only the Council, but every Pope you can find talks about how important it is to maintain and use Latin in the Mass.

On the positive side, our growing young adult population loves Latin and loves chant. The teens I teach in CCD think it’s cool to learn the prayers in Latin. The littler ones don’t seem to know that Latin is too hard to learn–they sing it like it’s second nature. I think that the young adults and converts will be carrying this banner. The biological solution will prevail with the remainder.

We are very blessed to have those who work hard to keep the Catholic tradition for the love of the church. We need to remember though it will be and has been the small number of the faithful who does the hard work and take sufferings bravely. They maybe hated and stoned, and their work maybe look like a total failure in human level, but the work of saints and martyrs are never failures in God’s eye. The success is God’s hand, not ours.
I think restoring the proper authentic liturgy is one of the biggest challenge for Catholics, both lay and religious, in our time. Vatican II gave lots of options to expand the role of the congregation in celebrating the Holy Mass. But the abuse lead people to believe we can do whatever we want to do, and some started to loose connection with the Holy Mother Church. Some parishes celebrate Mass like a protestant worship service. So we are reminded of ‘lex orandi, lex credendi’ (the way we worship governs the way we believe.) As the Holy Father said, the Mass surely is the summit of our faith.

I’d like to share a beautiful quote from Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta,
“We are not called to be successful, but to be faithful.”

As long as we do our best and don’t give up, we have hope that God will make it work in His time, though it may not be in our time…

 

[SaintLalemant]

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[Dirt]

Our music director is sticking with OCP and dan schute.

 

[YoungTradCath]

^Ugh.