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I think the Buffalo Diocese may be headed for trouble, unless the news got it wrong. Does anyone know more about Paul Lakeland?

A CALL FOR CHANGE

The laity must get more involved in the governance and operations of the Catholic Church, leading theologian says
The Roman Catholic Church is at a critical juncture, one that requires radical and fast-moving reform, according to an American theologian. “I think we have 20 years and then we’ve lost everybody,” said Paul F. Lakeland, who was interviewed by phone from Fairfield University in Connecticut, where he is professor of Catholic Studies.

On Thursday, Lakeland brought his message to Buffalo for the conference “The Liberation of the Laity,” also the title of his book, named by the National Catholic Press Association as the best theology book of 2004.

Held at Christ the King Seminary, the event was co-sponsored by the Diocesan Office of Church Ministry. “This is the first time I’ve come to this kind of assembly since I’ve been in Buffalo,” said Bishop Edward Kmiec, who welcomed the 183 participants representing staff and volunteers from around the diocese. “I want to affirm you in your ministry. You have something you love and you want to share it.”

… Lakeland said that a majority of church-going Catholics approve the ordination of women. “So, you can draw your own conclusions,” he said. “Either the pope isn’t teaching properly or is not teaching the proper thing.”…

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Sounds like a modern day heretic.
Is it important to fill the pews or
to teach God’s word God’s way ?
 
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buffalo:
Held at Christ the King Seminary, the event was co-sponsored by the Diocesan Office of Church Ministry. “This is the first time I’ve come to this kind of assembly since I’ve been in Buffalo,” said Bishop Edward Kmiec, who welcomed the 183 participants representing staff and volunteers from around the diocese. “I want to affirm you in your ministry. You have something you love and you want to share it.”
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One comes to expect anything from dissident “theologians,” but this horsedung statement from the bishop?
 
tom.wineman said:
Sounds like a modern day heretic.
Is it important to fill the pews or
to teach God’s word God’s way ?
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Try this one:

"…In an article titled “Jesuits USA in the Year 2050: Planning for Our Future”, former Catholic University president Fr. William Byron, S.J., lists several “assumptions” about the changes ahead, including this one:

Women will rise in positions of responsibility and influence in the institutional Church and could perhaps find ordination open to them by the year 2050. If women are ordained, there will be no priest shortage in the USA."

cwnews.com/offtherecord/offtherecord.cfm

I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings to the good Father, he may get his women priests and find there aren’t too many filled congregations anymore.
 
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And some still claim there is no schism in the Church?
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That doesn’t amount to formal schism. Read about the SPPX to see what actual schism is.
 
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HagiaSophia:
If women are ordained, there will be no priest shortage in the USA."
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Actually, we will have no priest shortage in the future given that African and Asian seminaries are producing orthodox priests in their seminaries.

Okay, so it’ll be hard to understand the homily, but we’ll always have Mass and priests to offer it, if we can get over the notion that our priests must be native-born.
 
Lakeland said that a majority of church-going Catholics approve the ordination of women. “So, you can draw your own conclusions,” he said. “Either the pope isn’t teaching properly or is not teaching the proper thing.”…
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Obviously. We all know that Truth is determined by the majority and not by the infallible authority instituted by Christ and guided by the Holy Spirit. :banghead:
 
I don’t understand the problem. Father Lakeland is calling all of us to get up and get involved in the Church. What’s wrong with that?

I for one, want to make my Church a better place. I get involved and teach bible studies and CCD.
Why all the fuss?
 
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dhgray:
I don’t understand the problem. Father Lakeland is calling all of us to get up and get involved in the Church. What’s wrong with that?

I for one, want to make my Church a better place. I get involved and teach bible studies and CCD.
Why all the fuss?
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. Lakeland said that a majority of church-going Catholics approve the ordination of women. “So, you can draw your own conclusions,” he said. “Either the pope isn’t teaching properly or is not teaching the proper thing.”…

among other things, this.
 
I was also very bothered by this conference and the fact that it was held at our local seminary. Father Lakeland left out the most obvious conclusion: that many of the Church’s members are not properly educated in their faith and, thus, do not appreciate why Pope John Paul II has not caved into their demands for female priests, married priests, etc. What Father Lakeland also left out is that the problem of lack of vocations is not limited to the Catholic Church in America, but is experienced in most Protestant churches as well, including those that permit married and female clergy.

The people in the Buffalo Diocese would be well-advised to keep an eye on Bishop Kmiec - in the few months he has been here, there are already two strikes against him: permitting this conference and caving in to Canisius College’s provided Hillary Clinton with a platform.
 
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. Lakeland said that a majority of church-going Catholics approve the ordination of women. “So, you can draw your own conclusions,” he said. “Either the pope isn’t teaching properly or is not teaching the proper thing.”…

among other things, this.
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Thanks … I missed that the first time.
 
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Magster:
I was also very bothered by this conference and the fact that it was held at our local seminary. Father Lakeland left out the most obvious conclusion: that many of the Church’s members are not properly educated in their faith and, thus, do not appreciate why Pope John Paul II has not caved into their demands for female priests, married priests, etc. What Father Lakeland also left out is that the problem of lack of vocations is not limited to the Catholic Church in America, but is experienced in most Protestant churches as well, including those that permit married and female clergy.

The people in the Buffalo Diocese would be well-advised to keep an eye on Bishop Kmiec - in the few months he has been here, there are already two strikes against him: permitting this conference and caving in to Canisius College’s provided Hillary Clinton with a platform.
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Fr? Was he wearing a collar?

Your views about your bishop seem reasonable. I hope he is not like our bishop in Rochester.
 
An Inside Look at Voice of the Faithful - Crisis Magazine

By Danny DeBruin
As I pulled into the high school parking lot of the affluent Long Island suburb of Manhasset one July evening, I passed a BMW with a Voice of the Faithful (VOTF) window decal. Clearly, this was the place. I entered the building, passing a number of elderly people standing behind tables covered with pamphlets. A very pleasant grandmother handed me four or five leaflets, including a printout of the Nicene Creed, a flier for the group’s September “Faith Convention,” and some other VOTF reading material.
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               Out                    of the corner of my eye, I noticed** Paul Lakeland**—the liberation theologian from Fairfield University—who was the guest speaker for that evening’s meeting. **I’d never actually                    seen Lakeland before, but I did read several of his essays and                    his book* Can Women Be Priests?*** (You can guess his answer.) Lakeland stood in the school’s vestibule, surrounded by a small group of elderly and middle-aged women. They crowded around the man, who—dressed sharply in a blue blazer—looked more like a celebrity than a college professor. 

               My initial thought was a question: Why did VOTF—a self-proclaimed non-ideological group—invite a liberation theologian to address and instruct its members?
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It is certainly a material schism.
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I agree. The question is how to handle it. Some want a slash-and-burn approach. Others want to wait over time while obedient Catholics come to the fore (especially in Third World regions) and marginalize the dissidents out of existence. The trick to all of this is to get the pendulum to swing away from the Left (Which I happen to believe is taking place albeit at the speed of continental drift 🙂 ) but stop in the center rather than flying off into rad-trad schism. I have no idea how this will work and must defer to the wisdom of the Church leadership.

Scott
 
buffalo said:
An Inside Look at Voice of the Faithful - Crisis Magazine

By Danny DeBruin
As I pulled into the high school parking lot of the affluent Long Island suburb of Manhasset one July evening, I passed a BMW with a Voice of the Faithful (VOTF) window decal. Clearly, this was the place. I entered the building, passing a number of elderly people standing behind tables covered with pamphlets. A very pleasant grandmother handed me four or five leaflets, including a printout of the Nicene Creed, a flier for the group’s September “Faith Convention,” and some other VOTF reading material.
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               Out                    of the corner of my eye, I noticed** Paul Lakeland**—the liberation theologian from Fairfield University—who was the guest speaker for that evening’s meeting. **I’d never actually                    seen Lakeland before, but I did read several of his essays and                    his book* Can Women Be Priests?*** (You can guess his answer.) Lakeland stood in the school’s vestibule, surrounded by a small group of elderly and middle-aged women. They crowded around the man, who—dressed sharply in a blue blazer—looked more like a celebrity than a college professor. 

               My initial thought was a question: Why did VOTF—a self-proclaimed non-ideological group—invite a liberation theologian to address and instruct its members?
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Ah ha, I knew I recognized the name. The new Buffalo bishop is inviting this type? That says it all.
 
Scott Waddell:
I agree. The question is how to handle it. Some want a slash-and-burn approach. Others want to wait over time while obedient Catholics come to the fore (especially in Third World regions) and marginalize the dissidents out of existence. The trick to all of this is to get the pendulum to swing away from the Left (Which I happen to believe is taking place albeit at the speed of continental drift 🙂 ) but stop in the center rather than flying off into rad-trad schism. I have no idea how this will work and must defer to the wisdom of the Church leadership.

Scott
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Well, in general I agree and, of course, defer to the hierarchy. With that said, while I value JPII greatly he has not disciplined well as he himself has stated publicly. “This Rock” has a great article about this topic that I posted I few days ago right here.
 
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Ah ha, I knew I recognized the name. The new Buffalo bishop is inviting this type? That says it all.
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Actually this paragraph said it all to me:

"…Held at Christ the King Seminary, the event was co-sponsored by the Diocesan Office of Church Ministry. “This is the first time I’ve come to this kind of assembly since I’ve been in Buffalo,” said Bishop Edward Kmiec, who welcomed the 183 participants representing staff and volunteers from around the diocese. “I want to affirm you in your ministry. You have something you love and you want to share it.”

Before he left, Kmiec added: “I wish I could go around and shake hands with all of you … but I have to go to work.”
 
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