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PRmerger said:
But surely you can’t mean that each and every religious view that is proferred ought to be tolerated, do you?

Or are you willing to say that the despicable theology offered by the “Rev” Fred Phelps ought to be tolerated?
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First. I agree with you. Tolerance means we don’t kill them, don’t behead them, don’t imprison them, don’t deny them free speech because of their religious beliefs. It does NOT mean we agree they are right. All “paths to God” are not equally valid; there is only one way.

Second, I disagree with you; how about some sports smack talk?

Only undefeated for 33 more days.forums.catholic-questions.org/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
 
Reuben_J said:
Catholic Church have no problem with ecumenism, in fact it is being encouraged and even spelt out, especially this century. It’s a matter of what the face of it looks like.

We should fellowship and co-labor … . Agreed. 🙂

Interesting in the other thread that you seemed to insist (imply) that God does not work through man … . 🤷
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I do believe God works through man… I believe God changes our hearts and minds to fufill His purposes.
 
wisedom said:
and 'who is your neighbour", as Christ would ask?

are not those who are not Christians, potential Christians?
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Great clarification point. We are called to love everyone… Christians and non-Christians alike. Some Christians use this verse of loving our neighbors as being applicable to Chrisitans only… which is complete wrong. Here are some my favorite quotes on the related issue:

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. - Mohandas Gandhi

“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?”And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.” Jesus

For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. - Apostle Paul
 
Pitcharan said:
Beautiful platforms for this could be: Alpha course, Prison ministry and Social service
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👍

ECT1 came out in 1994, ECT 2 came out in 1996. I think it’s time to reapply this work in 2013 and see what happens. I think Internet is an amazing tool for such a work too.
 
PRmerger said:
Bring. It. On.

(Sentiment is the icon. Not the title of the icon)
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yeah, I am working on this “internet thing”🙂 (see there)

also, am waiting nervously to see whether my BCS ticket order is filled (at Alabama the system is very fair; you give a lot of money, you get the tickets:D; gotta pay Nickie somehow)
 
wisedom said:
when all christians have the same Father -in fact all of humanity- it is imprudent that self-righteous persons on this site, should consider themselves alone as God’s children, while maligning devotees of other religions; it follows that salvation is not restricted to any one faith!
this intolerance or arrogance is what makes religion the bane of humanity!
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“salvation is not restricted to any one faith!”

Jesus said it was.

"in fact all of humanity has the same father’

The Bible very clearly says that through belief in Christ we have the power to become childern of God. We would not have to “become” cildren if we already were.

Jesus said certain people who opposed him “had the devil as their father.”

All are creatures of God; God’s wish is that all become his children through faith in Christ; but not all chose and not all are children of God.

That’s not being self-righteous; I know I am the worst sinner of all. Self-righteousness is making up your own religion because you don’t like the one Jesus taught.
 
billt9 said:
yeah, I am working on this “internet thing”🙂 (see there)

also, am waiting nervously to see whether my BCS ticket order is filled (at Alabama the system is very fair; you give a lot of money, you get the tickets:D; gotta pay Nickie somehow)
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Notre Dame students are the beneficiaries of a very generous alum who donated $400.000 so student tickets could go from $350 down to $150. Wow!
 
billt9 said:
“salvation is not restricted to any one faith!”

Jesus said it was.

"in fact all of humanity has the same father’

The Bible very clearly says that through belief in Christ we have the power to become childern of God. We would not have to “become” cildren if we already were.

Jesus said certain people who opposed him “had the devil as their father.”

All are creatures of God; God’s wish is that all become his children through faith in Christ; but not all chose and not all are children of God.

That’s not being self-righteous; I know I am the worst sinner of all. Self-righteousness is making up your own religion because you don’t like the one Jesus taught.
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This is very Catholic of you to say, billt9! 👍
 
billt9 said:
“salvation is not restricted to any one faith!”

Jesus said it was.

"in fact all of humanity has the same father’

The Bible very clearly says that through belief in Christ we have the power to become childern of God. We would not have to “become” cildren if we already were.

Jesus said certain people who opposed him “had the devil as their father.”

All are creatures of God; God’s wish is that all become his children through faith in Christ; but not all chose and not all are children of God.

That’s not being self-righteous; I know I am the worst sinner of all. Self-righteousness is making up your own religion because you don’t like the one Jesus taught.
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from one of these threads, i became aware that john paul 2, while visiting Muslim countries, told their youth that they and christians worship the same God, in which case salvation only through the catholic church becomes redundant!
 
Jesus did not found any religion, he only founded the kingdom of God, which he himself is, as also its King!

He did not teach any rules & regulations that are the Way to his Father, but only via LOVE, we can be in communion with our Creator!

Hypocrisy is the hall-mark of Christianity and as Christian Unity rightly quoted Gandhi, it is clear and obvious from what the latter said!
 
BELIEF IN CHRIST ALONE is sufficient for one to attain salvation!

this is independent of what religion one is accidentally or providentially born into!
 
wisedom said:
BELIEF IN CHRIST ALONE is sufficient for one to attain salvation!
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And what does it mean to believe in Christ? Can I believe in Christ and just sit on my couch the rest of my life? Does it mean I have to follow his commandments? And what happens if I don’t follow his commandments? Do I have to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, give shelter to the homeless?

Just what, in your mind, constitutes “believing in Christ”?
 
wisedom said:
from one of these threads, i became aware that john paul 2, while visiting Muslim countries, told their youth that they and christians worship the same God, in which case salvation only through the catholic church becomes redundant!
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Could you explain what you mean by “salvation only through the CC becomes redundant”?
 
wisedom said:
He did not teach any rules & regulations that are the Way to his Father, but only via LOVE, we can be in communion with our Creator!
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But you are, ironically, espousing some rules and regulations here. “You only need to believe!” and “The ONLY way is to love!” Those are doctrines and dogmas you are proclaiming.

Again with the "I get to do it but you can’t! mentality!
 
SteveVH said:
And what does it mean to believe in Christ? Can I believe in Christ and just sit on my couch the rest of my life? Does it mean I have to follow his commandments? And what happens if I don’t follow his commandments? Do I have to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, give shelter to the homeless?

Just what, in your mind, constitutes “believing in Christ”?
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read St. Paul’s ‘magnum opus’ on LOVE, from where the op quoted earlier!

the only commandment Jesus gave is comprehensive and total!: “Love one another as I have Loved you”…the entire Word of God, Law of Moses, Sacred Tradition and what not, revolve around this commandment or sum up this commandment, originally given as Two by Christ!

if you believe in Christ, it goes without saying that you must LOVE!..and LOVE is not the prerogative of Christians only!

i conclude with St. John, in my own words: it is impossible ‘for anyone to love God whom he cannot see, when he does not love his neighbour, whom he can see’

AND FOR GOD’S SAKE, TRY TO UNDERSTAND ‘NEIGHBOUR’ AS JESUS DEFINES IT IN SCRIPTURE!..YOU SHOULD KNOW WHERE TO FIND THAT DEF.

TRUTH IS OFTEN ECLIPSED BUT IT CAN NEVER BE EXTINGUISHED -Livy.

Note: i have replied to you, because there is no impoliteness in your originating post…i am not inclined to respond to any tom, dick, or harry, who as so-called christians, ‘do not practise what they preach’ -hypocrites!..i also reserve the right to IGNORE any poster who comments impolitely or arrogantly!
 
wisedom said:
read St. Paul’s ‘magnum opus’ on LOVE, from where the op quoted earlier!

the only commandment Jesus gave is comprehensive and total!: “Love one another as I have Loved you”…the entire Word of God, Law of Moses, Sacred Tradition and what not, revolve around this commandment or sum up this commandment, originally given as Two by Christ!

if you believe in Christ, it goes without saying that you must LOVE!..and LOVE is not the prerogative of Christians only!

i conclude with St. John, in my own words: it is impossible ‘for anyone to love God whom he cannot see, when he does not love his neighbour, whom he can see’
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Greetings wisedom, Please clarify…

If you were counseling a young woman considering abortion, how would you apply this philosophy to comfort her? I think this philosophy could be used on both sides of this argument (not sure).

Peace!!!
 
wisedom said:
read St. Paul’s ‘magnum opus’ on LOVE, from where the op quoted earlier!

the only commandment Jesus gave is comprehensive and total!: “Love one another as I have Loved you”…the entire Word of God, Law of Moses, Sacred Tradition and what not, revolve around this commandment or sum up this commandment, originally given as Two by Christ!

if you believe in Christ, it goes without saying that you must LOVE!..and LOVE is not the prerogative of Christians only!

i conclude with St. John, in my own words: it is impossible ‘for anyone to love God whom he cannot see, when he does not love his neighbour, whom he can see’

AND FOR GOD’S SAKE, TRY TO UNDERSTAND ‘NEIGHBOUR’ AS JESUS DEFINES IT IN SCRIPTURE!..YOU SHOULD KNOW WHERE TO FIND THAT DEF.

TRUTH IS OFTEN ECLIPSED BUT IT CAN NEVER BE EXTINGUISHED -Livy.

Note: i have replied to you, because there is no impoliteness in your originating post…i am not inclined to respond to any tom, dick, or harry, who as so-called christians, ‘do not practise what they preach’ -hypocrites!..i also reserve the right to IGNORE any poster who comments impolitely or arrogantly!
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Yipes! The above is NOT loving.

It is, according to your paradigm, also judgmental. :eek:

http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/files/2010/02/double-facepalm.jpg
 
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