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Shadowcry
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Now if you agree with that then you are no better than a terrorist. I suppose you are a hate mongerer then?
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Mike_D30
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I don’t agree Muslim’s should be killed or wiped out, in fact I would love a peaceful dialogue with them, and to live side by side in peace.
However due to Islam’s nature I don’t think it’s possible at all. I don’t think Islam is compatible with:
- Getting along with others of different beliefs (and no forcing them to pay dhimitude if they don’t convert “so they know they are subjugated” in lieu of killing them isn’t what I mean)
- Democracy, free will, freedom of speech, freedom of religion
It’s sad but it’s the way it is.
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Shadowcry
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In Pakistan it coexists fine you should look at Islam with an open mind instead of the one propogated by the Western media.
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Mike_D30
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It doesn’t look like everything is coexisting just fine:
jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/10781.htm
worthynews.com/christian/christians-in-pakistan-fear-more-violence-over-cartoon-row/
franciscansinternational.org/docs/statement.php?id=242
*"During the attack attackers reportedly smashed doors, window and the altar of the church.
“About 20 people including women attacked the church and injured two people including an old woman who was pistol-whipped,” the church said in a statement to Pakistan’s Daily Times newspaper.
“SPAT ON BIBLE”"
They also “spat on the Bible and hymn books after trampling them upon their feet,” eyewitnesses added. The attackers allegedly asked accompanying Muslim women “to teach the Christian women a lesson.” Armed Muslim men kept Christian men at gun point, apparently foiling their effort to come to the rescue of Christian women.
The Muslim women “tortured” the Christian women, and at least two of them, identified only as 70-year old Verro and 50-year old Salima, sustained critical injuries, church sources said. Verro’s two legs were apparently broken by the Muslim women. "*
But eveything is peachy keen in old Pakistan…
Look buddy I’m Christian and I treat people with respect and love like every human deserves. That doesn’t mean I sit back and watch while the liberal media, and a few Muslim’s claim there is no threat to us. It’s clear Islam has started a war on Christian’s and the west.
It’s very dangerous that people here in America, and in Europe believe Muslim’s to be peaceful and it’s this minscule percentage who are more extreme. When really there is huge support for the terrorists, especially in Pakistan.
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MugenOne
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What do the great white Satan and the Jew have to do with this cartoon? Why are the angers directing at us. Can someone explain this to me? I’m clueless.
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Two points: The very fact that Muslims are rioting over this issue of derogatory cartoons shows that they are themselves committing idolatry of their prophet. The second is that Islam reveres the Blessed Mother more than any other woman, having one sura devoted to Her. Isn’t it interesting that there was no Muslim outrage several years ago when an “artistic” image of Her was shown covered in elephant dung? I have no problems with Muslims but Islam scares the dickens out of me.
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cocot
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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Mike_D30
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Basically Muslim’s love a good reason for a riot, and to kill infidel’s. This was published in a Danish newspaper, but yet a priest has to be murdered in Turkey by some nut scream allah ahkbar…
Who know’s, personally I am not glad for this, not for people being hurt that’s a tragedy no matter who they are, but I am happy when Islam shows its true colors to an ever liberalizing and weakening US and Europe. It gets us back on our haunches, and makes us realize that these guys want us dead or subjugated, there is NO other option for Islam, the Koran DEMANDS it.
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cocot
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Hey mike D,
Maybe you could get an explaination of the true meaning of the koran at Al-Farooq mosque on Atlantic Ave!
Maybe you could get an explaination of the true meaning of the koran at Al-Farooq mosque on Atlantic Ave!
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Mike_D30
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I’m in Brooklyn South, I live in Bay Ridge, which looks like little Saudi Arbia five blocks from my house, so I’m sure I wouldn’t have to go all the way to Atlantic Avenue.
(Koran 69:30-37) “It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise… Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful.”
(Koran 2:216) “Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you knew not.”
(Koran 8:12) "Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them.”
(Koran 5: 33-34) “The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is forgiving, merciful.”
(Koran 76: 4) “Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers chains, yokes and a blazing fire.”
[9:29] You shall fight back against those who do not believe in GOD, nor in the Last Day, nor do they prohibit what GOD and His messenger have prohibited, nor do they abide by the religion of truth - among those who received the scripture - until they pay the due tax, willingly or unwillingly.
These seem pretty clear me, don’t get me wrong Muslim people have always been nice I have nothing personally against them. But I see no way that a long term peace can be made with Muslims and Christians. It is every Muslim’s duty to subjugate Jews and Christians in their lands (which apparently once Muslim’s are 10% of the population they consider it thier land). We are to pay you money by force if necesary.
I’m sorry if I am not thrilled by this prospect. many Americans aren’t religious, they can’t comprehend that muslim’s follow these passages LITERALLY. And to me I don’t want my fellow Christians to put themselves in a position of actually believing the lie, that Islam is a religion of peace. It isn’t, much of the Koran is about war, Muhamed loved war, as seen in the dozens of battles Muhamed was invoveld in. I’m sorry Muslim’s love to pretend these aren’t truths and we’re mistaken, but the fact is, the eventual goal of Islam is to take over the world, and convert everyone by the sword if necesary. If they won’t convert make them pay and be subjugated. I won’t sit by and let that nonsense happen.
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Shadowcry
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What are you talking about?
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srp643
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Phenomenal post Mike. I dare any muslim to explain away the hatred these koranic verses encourage here. The more i read about islam, the more i understand why increasing numbers of muslims embrace terrorism. The koran’s author clearly and emphatically endorses killing and warfare. Any educated person can understand what the message is. Jesus predicted false prophets and it’s becoming clear to me that mohamed was one of the more clever ones.
I recently read a magazine interview with a long time exorcist in Italy. Very interesting interview (Inside the Vatican) but one thing he mentioned that stuck out was that during the exorcism the devil typically starts to throw all types of insults. These insults are aimed at everyone and anything including the priest, those present, Jesus, saints, RCC, etc. With ONE exception: the Virgin Mary. He said the devil has NEVER insulted her. When asked why, he said it was a mystery, he had no explanation.
What’s interesting to me is that there is a parallel here: islam actually reveres Our Lady yet insults Jesus by demoting him to a “prophet” while not explaining why He was considered a prophet and providing His teachings. There appears to be no logical reason to revere the Virgin Mary in islam as she was only the Mother of Jesus, an enigmatic prophet. She was not a prophet herself. If i was a muslim, i would be asking, why do we acknowledge her at all? and, who was this prophet Jesus and what did he say and do?
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srp643 You are right! It is through Mary that there is hope yet for the mohammedans. Careful examination of Her will only lead to the conclusion of the divinity of Her Son.
Imagine mass conversions! Something along the lines of the Mexicans from Our Lady of Guadalupe.
Alas! It is but a dream!
Imagine mass conversions! Something along the lines of the Mexicans from Our Lady of Guadalupe.
Alas! It is but a dream!
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Shadowcry
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A dream that will never happen alas as large groups of people do not convert because of so called miracles. Humans by nature are skeptical.
And they are not mohammedans they are Muslims.
And they are not mohammedans they are Muslims.
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StMarkEofE
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Good or moderate Muslims have no power.
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Shadowcry
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They have power over themselves that is alll that matters. Btw you have no authority so why talk.
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MugenOne
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I’m talking about the Great White Satan and the Jew. This cartoon has nothing to do with them. Now, the Muslim angers and outrages are directing at them. Did you watch TV? What’s up with “death to GWB, death to Israel, death to US” slogan, etc… Muslim reaction to the cartoon has become nothing more than a mockery to Islam. You loose legitimacy when you started to react violently and use threatening slogans and rhetorics.
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selvaraj
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In Brussels a young Muslim immigrant published a poster depicting the Virgin Mary with naked breasts. Though the picture has drawn some protest from Catholics (though not from Western embassies, nor from the bishops), this artist need not fear being murdered in the street. On the contrary, he is being subsidised by the Ministry for Culture.
brusselsjournal.com/node/287
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brusselsjournal.com/node/287
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ok…so islam is a religion of peace…then SHOW IT !! show us where in the quran it says : do not kill non-believers…you should not kill…you should love even non-believers…
what about a fatwa?? if the quran is not peaceful, why dont you issue a fatwa saying that muslims should not kill unbelievers, they should allow them to fully show their faith in muslim countries…they can freely build churches EVERYWHERE, they should not be subject to sharia…they can preach…in conclusion, non-moslems should be treated in muslim countries the same way they are treated in USA or Europe…if a muslim breaks the fatwa, he must be put in prision…fair enough?? golden rule??
IF YOU CANT DO THIS THEN STOP SAYING YOU HAVE A RELIGION OF PEACE, LOVE AND TOLERANCE COZ YOU ARE FOOLING NO ONE HERE EXCEPT YOURSELVES.
what about a fatwa?? if the quran is not peaceful, why dont you issue a fatwa saying that muslims should not kill unbelievers, they should allow them to fully show their faith in muslim countries…they can freely build churches EVERYWHERE, they should not be subject to sharia…they can preach…in conclusion, non-moslems should be treated in muslim countries the same way they are treated in USA or Europe…if a muslim breaks the fatwa, he must be put in prision…fair enough?? golden rule??
IF YOU CANT DO THIS THEN STOP SAYING YOU HAVE A RELIGION OF PEACE, LOVE AND TOLERANCE COZ YOU ARE FOOLING NO ONE HERE EXCEPT YOURSELVES.
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Fitz
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All Muslims are not in on this and all Muslims are not terrorists. It would be a mistake to incite Christians to react against Muslims. I think our media has denied us hearing the Muslims that do decry these actions. I heard Michael Medved interview one such Muslim last week. It is amazing that we understand that the MSM poorly represents us as Catholics, but we don’t see it’s other failings.
In the US, the Muslims have protection under the law, but they don’t have protection from terrorists in other countries. Coming forward and speaking out is not so easy in some places.
That being said, it sure would help to hear Muslims protesting the protesters.
I work with some Muslims and so does my husband, and I will have to say they all seem so very gentle and kind. This is all very puzzling to me.
In the US, the Muslims have protection under the law, but they don’t have protection from terrorists in other countries. Coming forward and speaking out is not so easy in some places.
That being said, it sure would help to hear Muslims protesting the protesters.
I work with some Muslims and so does my husband, and I will have to say they all seem so very gentle and kind. This is all very puzzling to me.
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