A Catholic Call to Arms: Coerced Abortions in Scientology

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A CATHOLIC CALL TO ARMS

Fellow Catholics,

The routine practice of coerced abortions within the Church of Scientology should rouse Catholics everywhere to justifiable moral fury and determination to put an end to these abominable practices immediately.

Women staff members in the Church’s elite Sea Organization are forced to get abortions or lose their jobs.

Grandfather Clarence Sevdy:

“I love my 7 year old granddaughter, and get mad as hell at the bastards that almost killed her.”

whyaretheydead.net/Sevdy.html

His daughter worked at the Church of Scientology’s organization in Cardinal Mahoney’s Archdiocese of Los Angeles.

From the affidavit of former high-ranking Scientologist Jesse Prince:

In late 1991, my wife Monika became pregnant and although we were elated, she was ordered to abort the child. The reason for the abortion order is that Sea Org members were not allowed to have children. The order devastated both my wife and me. Our dedication as Sea Org members clashed violently with our intentions as parents and we went through a personal nightmare with me opposing it, to no avail. She got the abortion and afterwards she was not the same. She was devastated at the impact of what she did and that was when she told me she wanted to leave. We fled, with the organization close behind us, trying to find us. They finally did and convinced us to return so we could “leave properly.”

factnet.org/Scientology/jesse_prince_affidavit.html

The testimony of women who have left Scientology is abundant on the issue and may be found here:

whyaretheydead.net/abortions.html

I urge Catholics everywhere to educate themselves and contact their bishops and diocesan offices of social justice and urge them to speak up against these and other morally offensive violations of human rights, like coerced divorce, forced separation of parents and children, and employment of child labor.

The practices of the Church of Scientology are a national scandal, a moral disgrace, and a profound offense against social justice.

The Church can put an end to these practices by speaking up with the majesty of its moral authority and petitioning Congress on behalf of Catholics everywhere to hold hearings about these practices and so move our lawmakers to end them.

We lag far behind the countries of Europe - Ireland, Belgium, France, Spain, and Great Britain. In all these countries Scientology has been denied status as a religion and qualification for tax-exemption. In Germany it has been declared an organization incompatible with the constitution and placed under special surveillance by government agencies.

In this Easter season when we celebrate the Resurrection of Jesus, this generation of young people and of generations yet unborn await our moral courage.

Fellow Catholics, let us act now.
 
Not to minimize the heinous nature of such an act, but we’re pretty much on board, as Catholics, against abortion no matter who’s responsible.

Morally speaking, what’s the difference between a Scientologist aborting a pregnancy and anyone else doing same?
 
Not to minimize the heinous nature of such an act, but we’re pretty much on board, as Catholics, against abortion no matter who’s responsible.

Morally speaking, what’s the difference between a Scientologist aborting a pregnancy and anyone else doing same?
(I’m here because David linked me to this thread, but I’m not actually Christian, and I want to apologize pre-emptively for coming by if you don’t actually want me around, especially since my views don’t always coincide with yours.)

The moral distinction is that Scientology will emotionally pressure its Sea Org (its elite navy-type organization) members to have an abortion. A pro-choice person will support a woman who wants to have an abortion, but will never support a group which makes that choice for her (seriously, forcing someone to have an abortion is shady and questionable enough when it’s parents forcing their teenaged child; a religious leader forcing their parishioners? NOT okay).

EDIT: to clarify a bit more, when people normally have abortions, it’s the woman’s choice to do so–it’s not always an easy choice, and it’s usually a very complex, difficult decision to make, and it’s rarely something they take lightly.

But in the end, the non-Scientologist woman does so because she decided it was the best course of action to take. The Scientologist does so because if she doesn’t, she will be “demoted” in rank and possibly ejected from the church (depending on how much she fought to keep her baby). That’s coercion and it’s really, really wrong.
 
True, all abortion is heinous, but the “church” of Scientology states that members who go against policy risk losing their eternal salvation. Not only is the baby harmed, but also the mother with her guilt and the father for his inabilty to protect his family from the superiors of his “religion”. It’s hard to fathom the type of brainwashed thinking that causes one to believe the choice is their child or their “salvation”.
 
True, all abortion is heinous, but the “church” of Scientology states that members who go against policy risk losing their eternal salvation. Not only is the baby harmed, but also the mother with her guilt and the father for his inabilty to protect his family from the superiors of his “religion”. It’s hard to fathom the type of brainwashed thinking that causes one to believe the choice is their child or their “salvation”.
Astra Woodcraft (one of the people who made exscientologykids.com ) had to leave the church because she didn’t want an abortion. I mean, I can see why she stayed so long, though, since her whole family was in it; here’s a quote from the site:
I personally knew of three other girls who got pregnant and were convinced to get abortions.
One was my sister-in-law who was 16 weeks pregnant when she was convinced to abort her child although she was strongly against it. My mother told my sister and I that it was good that she got an abortion.
I mean, if that’s the environment she grew up in (she was born a Scientologist), I can see why the choice is “my baby or my soul”. No one ever taught her otherwise, and people are really, really strongly influenced by the environments they’re raised in. It probably seemed normal to her, that she had to make a choice like that.
 
Not to minimize the heinous nature of such an act, but we’re pretty much on board, as Catholics, against abortion no matter who’s responsible.

Morally speaking, what’s the difference between a Scientologist aborting a pregnancy and anyone else doing same?
Because in most other cases, it can be argued that the decision to have an abortion is that of the woman having it.

I don’t consider abortions in Scientology “coerced” – I consider them to be forced upon the women. Thus, while in the greater society, the fault would (generally) lie with the woman who chose to have them, in the case of Scientology, it is that of the the so-called Church (it irritates me to no end that the call themselves a church, a Christian house of worship when they do not believe in either Jesus or God).

Most women in Scientology’s Sea Org were raised in devoted Scientology families, and joined the Sea Org when they were young teenagers–as young as 12. They have no friends or family outside Scientology.

If they gather the courage to say no (an unlikely event anyway in this totalitarian cult), then they are thrown out of, not only the Sea Org (and threatened with eternal damnation) but they are declared a Suppressive Person (or SP–which was what Tom Cruise was joking about in his famous leaked video)–which is akin to being called a witch in medieval Christianity.

To be declared an SP means that all of your family and friends in Scientology must “disconnect” with you–their version of shunning–wherein they are forbidden to have any kind of contact with the “SP.”

So what does this mean to the pregnant woman? In essence, she is being told, during one of the most vulnerable and sensitive times in any woman’s life, that if she does not get an abortion, she and her unborn child will be tossed out onto the street, with no money and often nowhere to go. She must leave her husband, if he chooses Scientology over her (which is usually the case). She must face life alone in a world that she knows very little about (Sea Org members are often so sheltered from the outside world that they don’t have a clue as to their human rights or that there are social service agencies who can help them).

That is not coercion: that is blackmail, pure and simple.

Google “ABC Nightline Jenna Miscavige” and watch her recent interview of what life is like in the Sea Org. Jenna is the niece of the current head of Scientology, David Miscavige. In the interview, she talks about abortions in the Sea Org and calls them "forced.

Also, there are videos on xenutv.net of Astra Woodcraft talking about her escape from Scientology when pregnant with her daughter Kate (she had a father to go to for help but her husband disconnected from her and divorced her). And also google "Marc Headley glosslip blog talk radio and listen to the podcast of a former high ranking member of the Church talk about the many many women who routinely had as many as 4-5 abortions.

For more info on the true nature of Scientology go to xenu.net.
 
Why on Earth would someone get an abortion just because their boss told them too? That just seems really weak minded to me.:confused:
 
Why on Earth would someone get an abortion just because their boss told them too? That just seems really weak minded to me.:confused:
That is not an accurate analogy.

A more accurate one would be a Catholic Priest telling a young woman that if she did not have an abortion she would be excommunicated, and that if she chose excommunication (ie the life of her unborn baby over the rules of the Church) her family members & all her friends would be`told that they would also be excommunicated if they had anything to do with her, even so much as a “hello” if they happened to bump into her on the street.
 
I was a member of scientology for many years, and I got declared a Suppresive Person (ex-communicated and declared an enemy of the cult) for refusing to have an abortion. I know of many others this happened to and many who did have abortions.

The Sea Organization of scientology has not allowed members to have babies since 1986. Many members were coerced into getting sterilized at young ages and later regretted it when they left the cult.

At the International level of the Sea Org members are no longer allowed to marry, and many of those who were married were forced to get divorced.

Here is a thread called "**Abortion in the Sea Org – “Self-Determination?” ** that has many personal stories as well as copies of cult doctrines:

ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=6932
Quote:
Janet Honn-Alex of Planned Parenthood Riverside County California - (The location of scientologys International Headquarters in Hemet) “I just felt that it was strange that they would all make the same decision. Independent of their individual circumstances, they had all made the decision to have an abortion, no matter how old they were or how many children they already had. We found that almost unbelievable. And when we started asking more questions, in order to find out their individual motives, because we were suspicious, they stopped coming to us alltogether, for any services.”
 
The idea of forcing someone to kill their child is monstrous and completely unnecessary.

This happens in Scientology because of the conditioning that the organization places on its members. As others have stated before me, within the group it is accepted as normal to have abortions, and reinforced as a “good thing”.

This practice of mandatory abortion is a control method that Scientology uses that reaches a great low. Even some criminals consider it absolutely unacceptable to harm a child!

Forced Abortion is just one of the many things that the organization does not tell its members until they are too far gone to disagree.

What if the member wanted to raise a family before joining? What if one of the members fell for another one and wanted to get married and bring life into the world? In the eyes of Scientology, this is completely unacceptable, and so they turn that choice into an ultimatum that brings only pain and suffering regardless of the decision.

Who would affiliate with such villainy if they knew? Who knows how many lives they’ve already destroyed?

I would suggest that anyone who is interested in this subject and in bringing to light this despicable act that Scientology commits to look up the information they need and make the decision for themselves as to what they think should be said about this.
 
It is great news that the Catholic community is becoming aware of one of the many crimes committed by the Cult of Scientology. If you are not already aware, there have, and will continue to be, monthly protests against this cult at scientology buildings throughout the world. The next protest is May 10th. Please be aware that the cult hires private detectives to gather information on its critics which it uses to defame and destroy those who speak out against it. This is why you will see protesters disguising themselves with masks. It is recommended that all who choose to join the protests do so in disguise.

Please visit xenu.net enturbulation.org exscientologykids.com for more info on this criminal organization that pretends to be a religion.
 
longtime lurker, first-time poster…

I thought these guys were kinda kookoo at first, but looking into this, it sounds like there’s some truth to it.
This is pretty horrible. And the human rights abuses don’t seem to end with forced abortions…
I’m appalled.
 
It disturbs me that a group that calls itself a “church” and a religion would FORCE killing an unborn child upon a member of their clerical order as the only way to stay a member of the “church” and connected with other members.

It pains me to think that even married women have been put in this position and that their "church"s practices are designed to deny them the right to bear children as requirement to stay in the church.

But then can we expect form a “church” that says Jesus did not exist?
 
The list could go on for several pages.

Scientology claims to give total freedom. What we have seen is that they give freedom from thought, freedom from health, freedom from dignity, freedom from choice, freedom from expression, and freedom from life.

Please, I ask you all - join with those of us who are protesting this evil cult. Join us in protecting the free will and dignity God has given to all of us. If you cannot join us in person, then we ask that you tell others about us and pray for us.

If you are curious about the protests, please visit youfoundthecard.com for more information on how to help.
 
Deeply disturbing. Hideous in fact. Why does Scientology have Sea Org anyway? It sounds like Dr Evil’s secret island with sci-fi technology designed to blackmail the world or some such hokey scheme.

And what’s with all the brand-new posters in this thread?

Welcome to CAF, by the way. May the Lord bless you and his mercy and love shine upon you.
 
Posting these things sets up Catholic Answers Forum to eventually being hacked under $cientology’s “Fair Game” policy.

L Ron Hubbard aborted his own children and was a disciple of the English Satanist Alestar Crowely. This was admitted in an interview with L Ron Hubbard Jr.

Stay away from this cult as far as you can. Boycott all $cientologist actors, producers, musicians, and directors. Heed my advice, you don’t want anything to do with the satanic cult.
 
And what’s with all the brand-new posters in this thread?
Yeah, what’s up with that? Did you guys have an on-going google search for all Scientology-related discussions??? This is not a typical breakdown of thread posters here on CAF…

And FWIW, yes, this is absolutely monstrous. I’d never heard about the coerced abortions (or even the SEA-thingie) before.

Margaret
 
Deeply disturbing. Hideous in fact. Why does Scientology have Sea Org anyway? It sounds like Dr Evil’s secret island with sci-fi technology designed to blackmail the world or some such hokey scheme.

And what’s with all the brand-new posters in this thread?

Welcome to CAF, by the way. May the Lord bless you and his mercy and love shine upon you.
I can’t speak for others regarding being a brand-new poster, but I’m a current member of the CA forums. I created this Anonymous account for the purpose of discussing issues surrounding Scientology due to their past harassment of critics - my regular account, and posts made by that account, reveal who I am, where I work, where I live, etc. To keep myself and my loved ones safe, I use this account to discuss Scientology and the protests.

For a more in-depth explanation, take a look at this section of whyweprotest.net/. This account is simply another form of the mask I wear when protesting in person.
 
Yeah, what’s up with that? Did you guys have an on-going google search for all Scientology-related discussions??? This is not a typical breakdown of thread posters here on CAF…

Margaret
we come from our own forums where we inform ourselves about the illegal and immoral actions of $cientology (I personally come from enturbulation.org). A link leading to this topic was posted on that forum and we realized the great potential to inform others.

I am sorry if you feel this is an intrusion, we do our best to get the message out as efficiently as possible and those with a strong “pro-life” mentality were sure to be appalled by FORCED abortions(i do not consider ultimatums of that caliber choices)

your response
And FWIW, yes, this is absolutely monstrous. I’d never heard about the coerced abortions (or even the SEA-thingie) before.
is proof that we have come to the right place and I hope you will consider joining anonymous someday.

p.s.
anonymous is a very misunderstood group (example: we have been called a church, terrorists, hackers, religious bigiots, etc.) it would be best if you asked anonymous to inform you about anonymous(preferably at a website used primarily by anonymous {the only one I can think of at this moment is enturbulation.org don’t worry you will be welcome there})
 
I can’t speak for others regarding being a brand-new poster, but I’m a current member of the CA forums. I created this Anonymous account for the purpose of discussing issues surrounding Scientology due to their past harassment of critics - my regular account, and posts made by that account, reveal who I am, where I work, where I live, etc. To keep myself and my loved ones safe, I use this account to discuss Scientology and the protests.

For a more in-depth explanation, take a look at this section of whyweprotest.net/. This account is simply another form of the mask I wear when protesting in person.
Oh my goodness. Do you mean that if you post about Scientology under your regular screen name you could be harassed? I know little about Scientology but this does sound horrible.
 
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