a Catholic Eucharistic flash mob

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I still think It was very beautiful and striking.

I hope and pray that those two Brothers are blessed by the choicest graces for their wonderful and courageous show of Faith!!
 
Sarah just distilled exactly why people are drawn to mendicant spirituality. An atheist understands these concepts better than several Catholics I’ve met, go figure!
There was a time when the mendicants traveled with the immigrants, especially the Dominicans and Franciscans. The immigrants were poor and the place of the mendicant was with the poor. I can’t say how well people understood mendicant spirituality. However, they were familiar with the way that mendicants did things. A situation like this would not have surprised those people.

Today, this is no longer the case, In the Northern Hemisphere, the majority of Catholics belong to the middle class. Most mendicants do not minister to middle class Catholics. People don’t get to see them closeup. After years of distance, many Catholics have forgotten about mendicant practices, mendicant traditions and even the place and purpose of the mendicant in the Church.

We’ve created what I can only describe as a clerical blob. A blob is an undefined object that has little or no structure to it. One blob is as good as the next. We are doing this in the Northern Hemisphere.

Just observe the thinking of the average Catholic. Every man who wears a Roman collar, cassock or habit is a priest. All priests follow the same rules. WRONG!

Now watch this other mindset, which also contributes to the blob. The General Instruction in the Roman Missal says that you must do A, B, and C. Every priest must do A, B, and C, because every priest uses the Roman Missal. WRONG AGAIN!

Finally, another blob example. That’s a religious order. There are two kinds of men in a religious order, a priest who ministers to the people of God and celebrates the sacraments and the brothers who do the manual labor and make sure that everything works so that the priests have time to take care of more important things. True in some cases, but not always. For example, I’m not a priest. However, I have doctorate in theology. The local diocesan pastor is a 50 year old gentleman who had decided to get his theology degree. He has an M.Div. Guess who is tutor is?

What’s happening here?

We’ve taken the priest and turned him into a blob. How so? In our mind, every priest functions the same way, follows the same rules, has the same duties, has the same vision and mission, and every priest should do things by the one book.

What we have done is something that the Church never intended or wanted. In our minds, we have created am image of the priest and rules for the priest that every priest must follow. There is no room for individual personality and no room for religious life. When you oppress the individual’s personality, you also dampen his spirit and you can even deprive yourself of some good ideas, because the person simply turns off and functions coldly. The Church wants the priest to cultivate a solid spiritual life, but it must be according to the context in which he lives. If he’s a Capuchin, his spiritual life must be Capuchin.

When you suppress the religious life in favor of the priesthood, you deny the priest who is a religious his right to be a religious. You deny him the right to live and do things according to the mind of his community, his founder, his constitutions. You have stripped him of his identity. He’s just another priest. He’s no longer a Carmelite, Benedictine, Redemptorist, Franciscan and so forth. This is very dangerous. In certain religious orders, the priesthood is considered to be accidental not essential to the life of the order. The men enter the order not to be priests but to be religious. However, if you take a religious who is also a priest and you ignore his religious calling, you have turned him into a secular priest. There is no difference between him and the local diocesan priest. They both dance to the same tune. What we do is to deprive the Church of the beauty of diversity. In addition, we drive a wedge into that religious community.

How so? Well, when you insist that a Capuchin must do this and this, because he’s a priest, but this priest lives in a house of friars where there is only one priest and where the superior is not a priest, what are you doing? You’re demanding that this man singularize himself, that he stand out from his brothers. You’re inadvertently giving him license to do as he pleases, not as his superior pleases. We create a clerical blob. He’s no longer a Capuchin brother. He’s a priest. That’s all that we see.

The reaction that some people have had to this flash mob has been interesting. For the most part, people were spiritually moved. There are some people who have been disappointed with the priest in the event. I once found myself trying to explain that the superior had given permission. The argument that was thrown at me was that the superior had no authority over the Eucharist, because the superior of that house is not a priest.

In that person’s mind, this friar belongs to this collective blob that we call the priesthood. His religious identity is not factored in. In the same person’s mind, the superior is not someone to be respected and obeyed, because he does not belong to the elite, the priestly mob. In this person’s mind, he has stripped another person of his authority and has inverted the order. The subordinate is looked at as the alpha and the alpha is expected to be the subordinate. The person that I’m thinking about was very disturbed, because in that person’s mind, the order of things was not what they should be.
 
To avoid such frustration and confusion in our own heads, it is worthwhile to become familiar with the great religious orders of the past. Observe how they have evolved. Observe their customs and traditions. Realize that they are not tied down to the same rules and regulations as other Catholics are.

For example, in the Franciscan Missal, there is a segment with General Instructions. In the revised missal of 1970, the general instructions are pretty similar to those in the Roman missal. One has to have a eye for small details to notice the differences. In the older missal, called the Seraphic Missal, which was banned by Pope Paul VI, the difference between those rubrics and those of the Roman missal were very obvious. My point is that we must not assume that everyone is bound by the same rules. There are many exceptions.

Very often the exceptions are due to antiquity. If an order is very old, the Church will allow it to continue doing what it has done. Sometimes the exception has to do with the vows. An order that makes simple vows has much more wiggle room than an order that makes solemn vows. Exceptions may come by way of privilege. Certain orders, such as the Franciscans, Dominicans and Jesuits, enjoy certain exceptions and privileges, because of their service to the Church or because of their founders. In this case, Dominic, Francis and Ignatius are considered very special men in Church history. Their sons have privileges that others don’t have.

All in all, when looking at something like this, one can stop and think about all the things that I mentioned here, which may simply serve to fry your brain and give you a headache or one can observe that everything went well, that all of the necessary permissions were secured and leave it at that. One does not have to like it to leave it alone.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
We have always had our own missal with its own rubrics. We do not use the Roman Missal all the time. That’s an option. We can use the Franciscan Missal.

In addition, there is the issue of age. When a religious community or even a diocese has a custom that goes far back, the Church has the power to allow it to continue, when no one else is allowed to do use that custom.

Street preaching, with the Blessed Sacrament is as old as the Mendicants. What you’re asking for is much newer It’s an option that the friars have, not one that they must use.

In addition, you must be conscious that you’re asking a friar to dress up in liturgical garb at a function where it’s not necessary. When you do that, you’re asking him to set himself apart as a priest. The problem with that is that we don’t do this unless it’s absolutely unavoidable, especially if your superior is not a priest and he’s at the same function. You always defer to the superior. He decides what is going to happen.

The way they executed this was very respectful to the Blessed Sacrament. It was also very safe, because they had lay people whom they had prepped for this. They brought the message out to the common man, which is what a Capuchin is supposed to do. Finally, they preserved their charism as a brotherhood. The rule among Franciscans, Cistercians and several other religious communities that were founded as brotherhoods is that priests serve the needs of the fraternity. Their place in the community is very different from a priest in a Dominican community. If a Franciscan who is also a priest can do something more simply, that’s the better way to go. There are times when it is appropriate and even necessary to pull out all the bells and whistles. This was not one of them.

Were I the superior of that house, I would have approved. All they need is the permission of the local pastor, because they’re crossing into his boundaries and the permission of their superior who is well informed on the rubrics of the order. They had all of the bases covered. What you’re expressing is disagreement with how it was done. You can certainly express that. Disagreements will always exist. What we cannot do is to say that they did something wrong, because that would imply that we have the right to correct them, which no one has. But it is OK to say that one does not like the idea.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
I’m sorry, but no order or society is free to willy-nilly craft their own Masses on the fly – including the Franciscans. You’re simply wrong about that. You seem to take delight in putting the Franciscans ahead of the Church. That’s difficult to witness.

Some orders and societies most certainly have approved sacrificial liturgies that are unique to them but crafting them locally on the fly? Absolutely not – although I have no question that many feel they have such authority. Perhaps that’s one reasons why liturgical abuses and irregularities are so common in some places?

I believe I recognize you as the person who wrote many paragraphs about some Franciscans (even today) without the means to procure a bell costing less than a dollar to use during the celebration of the Mass. I found those comments just as difficult as the ones you offer on this topic.
 
If we had gym bags, we’d have to go to the gym to justify having the bag. The we’d have to stay in shape. The happiest Franciscans are the fat ones. 😃

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
I always wondered what the existence of a large amount of excess weight said about someone (particularly clerics) with regard to the mortal sin of gluttony?
 
I’m sorry, but no order or society is free to willy-nilly craft their own Masses on the fly – including the Franciscans. You’re simply wrong about that. You seem to take delight in putting the Franciscans ahead of the Church. That’s difficult to witness.
He’s not saying they craft their own Masses on the fly. He’s saying that they have their own rubrics. BIG difference!!!
 
I’m sorry, but no order or society is free to willy-nilly craft their own Masses on the fly – including the Franciscans. You’re simply wrong about that. You seem to take delight in putting the Franciscans ahead of the Church. That’s difficult to witness.

Some orders and societies most certainly have approved sacrificial liturgies that are unique to them but crafting them locally on the fly? Absolutely not – although I have no question that many feel they have such authority. Perhaps that’s one reasons why liturgical abuses and irregularities are so common in some places?

I believe I recognize you as the person who wrote many paragraphs about some Franciscans (even today) without the means to procure a bell costing less than a dollar to use during the celebration of the Mass. I found those comments just as difficult as the ones you offer on this topic.
First of all, we’re not talking about mass. This is not a mass. I’m not sure how you got there.

Second, we do not craft. No order does. Benedictines, Franciscans, Dominicans, and most of the older orders have their own missals with their own rubrics. No one crafts them on the spot. They are approved by the Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship.

The missal does not apply here, because this is not a mass or a liturgical function. Why are you looking for an argument on something that has nothing to do with the subject of the thread?

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
I always wondered what the existence of a large amount of excess weight said about someone (particularly clerics) with regard to the mortal sin of gluttony?
Negative and rude comments toward clergy (deacons, priests and bishops) or toward religious and religious orders are banned.
 
I always wondered what the existence of a large amount of excess weight said about someone (particularly clerics) with regard to the mortal sin of gluttony?
I’m sorry, but it doesn’t look too good on your part when you first disagree with someone on their thoughts, then respond with “I’ve always wonder if fat people are gluttonous and are mortally sinning”.

I’m not sure if you are aware of this, but some people naturally have slow metabolisms. Other people have diabetes, which can cause problems with weight gain.

Saying what you did, one could also say I’ve always wondered if people who generalize and insult others on a Catholic message board are lonely socially maladjusted people, with regard to the mortal sin of being uncharitable".
 
I’m sorry, but no order or society is free to willy-nilly craft their own Masses on the fly – including the Franciscans. You’re simply wrong about that. You seem to take delight in putting the Franciscans ahead of the Church. That’s difficult to witness.
He wasn’t saying that,
Some orders and societies most certainly have approved sacrificial liturgies that are unique to them but crafting them locally on the fly? Absolutely not – although I have no question that many feel they have such authority. Perhaps that’s one reasons why liturgical abuses and irregularities are so common in some places?
There are procedures and documents in place that allow for local customs and culture, you know this, right? Some of the great Saints in the past have done this, namely St. Kolbe and St. Francis Xavier. Not every nation is receptive to euro-Catholicism.
I believe I recognize you as the person who wrote many paragraphs about some Franciscans (even today) without the means to procure a bell costing less than a dollar to use during the celebration of the Mass. I found those comments just as difficult as the ones you offer on this topic.
You should actually witness the work of the Order before casting judgement. Unless you need to see their financial readouts to verify their poverty?

Finally, I encourage you to read and study more about the Catholic Church as a whole. 20+ different rights, and even more Forms. From the sounds of your post(s), it seems you have an issue with the lack of “uniformity” within Catholicism. Look to the East, look to the Dominicans. Read about Franciscan history and liturgical functions.

Your faith life will be much the richer for it, because you wouldn’t be putting the Church in such a small box.
 
I have to say this is unique. I have never seen anything like it before.
 
I always wondered what the existence of a large amount of excess weight said about someone (particularly clerics) with regard to the mortal sin of gluttony?
Relax. It was playing with the idea of a gym bag, not making a moral pronouncement.

You really have it out for clerics, don’t you?

An over weight person is not necessarily a glutton. As has already been said, metabolism has a lot to do with it. Today, we have proof that genetics also influences weight gain. People from certain family lines struggle more with weight than others. I come from a long line of diabetics, including me. We all struggle with weight. Some gain too much and others not enough.

To assume that another person is in a state of sin, because of outward appearance is very dangerous. Not to have a sense of humor is more than dangerous. It’s ungodly. :eek:

Ask St. Philip Neri or Bl. Mother Teresa.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
I started thinking about the reasons why I was so moved by this scene and discovered that I couldn’t articulate the reasons. Some observations.
  1. In the middle of bustling secular society is a man standing in silence, unmoving, in adoration of our Lord. He does not stand there for just a second while he scratches his chin, confused, and looks for the coffee shop. He purposely and intentionally stands there, silent, unmoving, adoring our Lord. It is so unbelievably counter-cultural. You can almost hear the silence amongst the bustle. The silence says “THIS is what is of prime importance in your life, stop for a minute and think about this”.
  2. The monstrance is usually behind closed doors in a small room, set aside from the world. Here is His Body, being displayed for all to see in public, people of all walks of life and spiritual dispositions. There is a vulnerability for Jesus and for the Priest (monk? sorry I am confused on that). To be standing right there in the middle of the street with Christ, eyes raised upwards, is to be somewhat vulnerable. A man walks purposely right in front of Our Lord and ignores Him. It looked for a second that he might bump the priest. Another stares for a while, thinking, knowing something is happening, but not knowing what, and walks away. But you could tell she was touched somehow. Others stop and kneel on the ashalt in public. Who would have thought, during an afternoon of shopping, that our Lord would make a physical appearance in the street?
  3. And especially the words, they are profound yet very simple. Truth in them is overwhelming:
He is the First and Last, the Beginning and the End!
He is the keeper of Creation and the Creator of all!
He is the Architect of the universe and the Manager of all times.
He always was, He always is, and He always will be…
Unmoved, Unchanged, Undefeated, and never Undone!
He was bruised and brought healing!
He was pierced and eased pain!
He was persecuted and brought freedom!
He was dead and brought life!
He is risen and brings power!
He reigns and brings Peace!
The world can’t understand him,
The armies can’t defeat Him,
Schools can’t explain Him, and
The leaders can’t ignore Him.
Herod couldn’t kill Him,
The Pharisees couldn’t confuse Him,
The people couldn’t hold Him!
Nero couldn’t crush Him,
Hitler couldn’t silence Him,
The New Age can’t replace Him,
and Oprah can’t explain Him away!
He is light, love, longevity, and Lord!
He is goodness, Kindness, Gentleness, and God.
He is Holy, Righteous, mighty, powerful, pure.
His ways are right, His word is eternal,
His rule is unchanging, and His mind is on me.
He is my Redeemer, He is my Savior,
He is my guide, and He is my peace!
He is my Joy, He is my comfort,
He is my Lord, and He rules my life!
 
I started thinking about the reasons why I was so moved by this scene and discovered that I couldn’t articulate the reasons. Some observations.
  1. In the middle of bustling secular society is a man standing in silence, unmoving, in adoration of our Lord. He does not stand there for just a second while he scratches his chin, confused, and looks for the coffee shop. He purposely and intentionally stands there, silent, unmoving, adoring our Lord. It is so unbelievably counter-cultural. You can almost hear the silence amongst the bustle. The silence says “THIS is what is of prime importance in your life, stop for a minute and think about this”.
  2. The monstrance is usually behind closed doors in a small room, set aside from the world. Here is His Body, being displayed for all to see in public, people of all walks of life and spiritual dispositions. There is a vulnerability for Jesus and for the Priest (monk? sorry I am confused on that). To be standing right there in the middle of the street with Christ, eyes raised upwards, is to be somewhat vulnerable. A man walks purposely right in front of Our Lord and ignores Him. It looked for a second that he might bump the priest. Another stares for a while, thinking, knowing something is happening, but not knowing what, and walks away. But you could tell she was touched somehow. Others stop and kneel on the ashalt in public. Who would have thought, during an afternoon of shopping, that our Lord would make a physical appearance in the street?
  3. And especially the words, they are profound yet very simple. Truth in them is overwhelming:
Amen indeed. Those Friars showed some exemplar love and devotion to Our EUCHARISTIC KING. May the SACRED HEART Bless them all the more abundantly for that!!
 
An over weight person is not necessarily a glutton. As has already been said, metabolism has a lot to do with it. Today, we have proof that genetics also influences weight gain. People from certain family lines struggle more with weight than others. I come from a long line of diabetics, including me. We all struggle with weight. Some gain too much and others not enough.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
br. where does that leave me ? i just like 🍕 a lot
 
Relax. It was playing with the idea of a gym bag, not making a moral pronouncement.

You really have it out for clerics, don’t you?

An over weight person is not necessarily a glutton. As has already been said, metabolism has a lot to do with it. Today, we have proof that genetics also influences weight gain. People from certain family lines struggle more with weight than others. I come from a long line of diabetics, including me. We all struggle with weight. Some gain too much and others not enough.

To assume that another person is in a state of sin, because of outward appearance is very dangerous. Not to have a sense of humor is more than dangerous. It’s ungodly. :eek:

Ask St. Philip Neri or Bl. Mother Teresa.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
I don’t have it in for clerics. I have it in for anyone that seems to strive to put St. Francis (or at least their understanding of St. Francis) ahead of Jesus Christ and His Church.
 
If there is a Franciscan priest who desires a simple (yet proper) bell to ring at the appropriate times during the celebration of the Mass and truly cannot afford one, I will do my best to mail them one.

This is AD 2012. Lack of funds shouldn’t keep any Catholic priest from having such a bell as part of their Mass kit.
 
He wasn’t saying that,

There are procedures and documents in place that allow for local customs and culture, you know this, right? Some of the great Saints in the past have done this, namely St. Kolbe and St. Francis Xavier. Not every nation is receptive to euro-Catholicism.
Of course – typically time honored customs or dire necessities. Someone however made it sound as it Franciscans are free to craft their liturgies as they see fit without following any guidelines so long as they are ultimately approved by other Franciscans. That’s not the case.
You should actually witness the work of the Order before casting judgement. Unless you need to see their financial readouts to verify their poverty?
What makes you think I haven’t? I took offense to the false martyrdom someone was trying to sell by suggesting in AD 2012, there are Franciscan priests celebrating the Mass in this world without the resources for a simple santus bell costing a dollar or two. No way.
Finally, I encourage you to read and study more about the Catholic Church as a whole. 20+ different rights, and even more Forms. From the sounds of your post(s), it seems you have an issue with the lack of “uniformity” within Catholicism. Look to the East, look to the Dominicans. Read about Franciscan history and liturgical functions.

Your faith life will be much the richer for it, because you wouldn’t be putting the Church in such a small box.
I have and I will continue to. The Dominicans (unlike the Franciscans) have their own liturgical rite within the Latin Church. Were you even aware of that? My church box is quite broad, thanks.

Would you care to discuss the different Eastern Divine Liturgies? I attend them on a regular basis.
 
I started thinking about the reasons why I was so moved by this scene and discovered that I couldn’t articulate the reasons. Some observations.
  1. In the middle of bustling secular society is a man standing in silence, unmoving, in adoration of our Lord. He does not stand there for just a second while he scratches his chin, confused, and looks for the coffee shop. He purposely and intentionally stands there, silent, unmoving, adoring our Lord. It is so unbelievably counter-cultural. You can almost hear the silence amongst the bustle. The silence says “THIS is what is of prime importance in your life, stop for a minute and think about this”.
  2. The monstrance is usually behind closed doors in a small room, set aside from the world. Here is His Body, being displayed for all to see in public, people of all walks of life and spiritual dispositions. There is a vulnerability for Jesus and for the Priest (monk? sorry I am confused on that). To be standing right there in the middle of the street with Christ, eyes raised upwards, is to be somewhat vulnerable. A man walks purposely right in front of Our Lord and ignores Him. It looked for a second that he might bump the priest. Another stares for a while, thinking, knowing something is happening, but not knowing what, and walks away. But you could tell she was touched somehow. Others stop and kneel on the ashalt in public. Who would have thought, during an afternoon of shopping, that our Lord would make a physical appearance in the street?
  3. And especially the words, they are profound yet very simple. Truth in them is overwhelming:
Great post Clem !

Something good had to happen that day. A lapsed Catholic was moved to return to the Faith. A convert or two. Something. 🙂
 
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