A Catholic Recovery Program?

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Bennie - I see you posted this a long time ago, but I’m hoping you still check this. I just returned from the Summit and SOOOOOOOO desire to bring this to my Catholic brothers and sisters. I will go and do where ever God leads me, regardless of what church it is in. The opportunity that I have had so far outside of the Catholic church, that is, inside the churches in my area that have CR, is to witness to them my deep love for the Catholic faith and for Jesus. It saddens me, but I understand when they say to me, you are the first person I have ever met that claims to be Catholic and I can see has a walk with Jesus. My thought is, they just need to know more of us Catholics 🙂

My questions for you would be, what have you been able to do if anything in bringing recovery into the church? In our church we have “small christain communities” and I am discerning asking our parish preist if I could start one with the special interest of “addictions”. My thought is it has to start somewhere & probably small, but it has to start! We have WAY too many hurting people in our churches, in the pews each week that need help & Jesus wants to help them…I have no doubt, a program like this, He would work in, and help His people.

Would love to hear your update.

Blessings,
Tricia
 
Bennie - I see you posted this a long time ago, but I’m hoping you still check this. I just returned from the Summit and SOOOOOOOO desire to bring this to my Catholic brothers and sisters. I will go and do where ever God leads me, regardless of what church it is in. The opportunity that I have had so far outside of the Catholic church, that is, inside the churches in my area that have CR, is to witness to them my deep love for the Catholic faith and for Jesus. It saddens me, but I understand when they say to me, you are the first person I have ever met that claims to be Catholic and I can see has a walk with Jesus. My thought is, they just need to know more of us Catholics 🙂

My questions for you would be, what have you been able to do if anything in bringing recovery into the church? In our church we have “small christain communities” and I am discerning asking our parish preist if I could start one with the special interest of “addictions”. My thought is it has to start somewhere & probably small, but it has to start! We have WAY too many hurting people in our churches, in the pews each week that need help & Jesus wants to help them…I have no doubt, a program like this, He would work in, and help His people.

Would love to hear your update.

Blessings,
Tricia
I have had a long time to think about this thread. In this part of my own personal recovery I am serving others in different ways then when I started this thread. I don’t attend recovery meetings as often, regular, but not as often, as I did and need when I started this thread. I take Bill W to heart that we reach a point to join again others as citizens of the community (#21 As Bill Sees It) and 12th step for me has expanded to be more of being an evangelist for the Church then particpating in recovery programs.

I work with people in recovery everyday. As at this time I’m an employment coodinator/counselor at a homeless shelter for veterans.Whom I encourage to work their program and build accountabilty with a sponsor and/or accountabilty partners. the more accountabilty partners the better. There is a couple of people in my parish that have been involved in CR and we are in discussion with our diocese’s Family Life Director about starting Christ Center step study groups at the city level, with hope of it spreading through the diocese, if it is to be God’s will.

I still attend meetings at CR at an evangelcal mega church ( the one I use to belong to) and another recovery group ran by the local Anglican Church (one of the break aways from the American Episcapol Church). The leaders at both know I’m Catholic and I have great discussions with them over doctrine and dogma. Some of these people I truly believe are considering to follow me and swim the Tiber as I did over two years ago. I don’t attend many AA meetings, but have very good relationships with many that do.

I have taken a “in God’s time” attitude and let the Holy Spirit do His part in all of this while I continue to seek our Father’s will. I hope you had a great time at the Summit, did a guy from Florida named Patrick happen to speak there or Bob or Carrie from LV, Nevada? If they did, pm and let me know…

Oh well, something small is getting started, and not by my efforts, but triggered by seeds I may have planted back when I started this thread. One of the things that happening is somone from my parish is working on adapting the CR step study books to Catholic teaching, but this has to done so not to be outright stealing Bob Baker’s and Rick Warren’s work.,. Though the books are really good and helped me, many of the questions have strong doctrinal conflict to Church teachings.

One thing people don’t understand about the CR program it is for all the hurts people deal with and that is really important, IMHO for a better recovery and healing, or least it has been for me.

I’ll try to keep you posted on developments.
 
I am going to propose a couple of things to you. One I had almost four years sober at 26 and relapsed. I am now almost two years sober again. AA is a spiritual program which is based on Christianity and Catholicism especially. You cannot judge AA by the actions of one man, even a cofounder. Hence the second tradition. Not all oldtimers are Christians or Catholics. I have met some very good Catholics that are sober. I think maybe you could find an excellent balance by talking to your deacon or priest and having them put you in touch with someone who is sober and Catholic.
 
Bennie - I see you posted this a long time ago, but I’m hoping you still check this. I just returned from the Summit and SOOOOOOOO desire to bring this to my Catholic brothers and sisters. I will go and do where ever God leads me, regardless of what church it is in. The opportunity that I have had so far outside of the Catholic church, that is, inside the churches in my area that have CR, is to witness to them my deep love for the Catholic faith and for Jesus. It saddens me, but I understand when they say to me, you are the first person I have ever met that claims to be Catholic and I can see has a walk with Jesus. My thought is, they just need to know more of us Catholics 🙂

My questions for you would be, what have you been able to do if anything in bringing recovery into the church? In our church we have “small christain communities” and I am discerning asking our parish preist if I could start one with the special interest of “addictions”. My thought is it has to start somewhere & probably small, but it has to start! We have WAY too many hurting people in our churches, in the pews each week that need help & Jesus wants to help them…I have no doubt, a program like this, He would work in, and help His people.

Would love to hear your update.

Blessings,
Tricia
 
Tricia and others,

I don’t know if you’re still checking this forum, but I have read it with interest. I am trying to find out if there is a Catholic recovery group or if the parish would be open to starting one.

My experience is similar to yours. My husband and I have been involved in CR for 4 years and have found great help there. I had also attended S-anon and Al-anon meetings, which were helpful, but we both wanted the Christ-centered recovery program. In the process of recovery and seeking Christ, we were both led home to the Catholic Church (after a lifetime in evangelical churches ). It’s hard to express the joy and depth we have found through the Church and the sacraments. Receiving the sacraments, attending Eucharistic adoration, and participating in the parish is instrumental to our recovery. We still are actively involved in CR but have often wondered if there is a Catholic recovery program, or if CR could be adapted to a Catholic church. Being new to the Church, we don’t know all that is available. I would just appreciate knowing Catholic resources.

I can identify with your experience at CR. We love going, and are involved in leadership. But I sometimes notice a subtle bias against Catholicism in some of what is said, and in some of the materials. But, our leaders are great and very sensitive to keeping the focus on Christ and our common ground and not allowing “church-bashing.” I am finding that I can have a positive witness for the Church by just naturally sharing my love for Christ and His Church. People are often “surprised” when they ask what church we go to because they wrongly assume Catholics don’t know Jesus. (Sadly, many of them are ex-Catholics.)

I am very interested in discussion about Catholic recovery resources.

Thanks.

Kathy
 
I see this is an old thread and so there may not be any further interest on the subject. I am curious that no one has mentioned the existing organization of the Catholic Church “The National Catholic Council on Alcoholism and Related Drug Problems, Inc.” They heartily endorse AA and NA and other 12 step programs. Also Father Martin, well loved priest who has contributed greatly to the recovery movement, endorses AA. If the church has not seen a reason to create a separate entity or question its origins as “new age” then what would bring the conclusion that the program is not fit for Catholics? I would agree that no one program can meet everyone’s needs, and some people recover outside of the AA community and others within the AA community do not recover. Prayer groups focused on addiction or other special issues could certainly augment recovery. I find it interesting that the Catholic Church sees no reason to reinvent the wheel yet there is a desire among some members of the laity for it. Maybe the dialogue should start with this organization.

Here is a link to the website:

www.nccatoday.org

Respectfully,
Gwen
 
Hi, I’m not if you will get this message but try www.tampacalix.com my name is Bryan and I am the President of our chapter.
I see this is an old thread and so there may not be any further interest on the subject. I am curious that no one has mentioned the existing organization of the Catholic Church “The National Catholic Council on Alcoholism and Related Drug Problems, Inc.” They heartily endorse AA and NA and other 12 step programs. Also Father Martin, well loved priest who has contributed greatly to the recovery movement, endorses AA. If the church has not seen a reason to create a separate entity or question its origins as “new age” then what would bring the conclusion that the program is not fit for Catholics? I would agree that no one program can meet everyone’s needs, and some people recover outside of the AA community and others within the AA community do not recover. Prayer groups focused on addiction or other special issues could certainly augment recovery. I find it interesting that the Catholic Church sees no reason to reinvent the wheel yet there is a desire among some members of the laity for it. Maybe the dialogue should start with this organization.

Here is a link to the website:

www.nccatoday.org

Respectfully,
Gwen
 
Brothers and Sisters, I am 38, Married, 2 kids ages 8 and 5 and I am absolutely fired up about the church. The sacraments, Archbishop Fulton Sheen, Fr. John Ford, Fr. Ralph Pfau, Fr. Ed Dowling, Sr. Ignatia — give it to me and keep it coming!

Wow do we all have some work to do. I thought I’d jump in and see if you all have looked into The Calix Society www.tampacalix.com is a chapter I established in Tampa, Fl. about a year ago. My membership is completely horrible! HaHa! Isn’t that the way is goes though? Truth is a tough thing when you are self centered! Anyway, I love you all and hope that this helps bring a smile to you as well as to bring you closer to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit! Keep trudging!

Peace be with you!

Bryan Payne President Tampa Calix Society
813-267-4230
 
A very old thread, I know. I’d like to correspond with others who are alkie and Catholic. Am thinking of putting up a website devoted to helping Catholic alkies.
 
Truth is a tough thing when you are self centered!
This is so exactly to the point. Don’t know if you were poking fun at yourself, or describing those to whom you seek to be helpful.

Works both ways, ha!

But, it is the crux of the matter. And where the power and worship lies. Let’s talk a bit.
 
A very old thread, I know. I’d like to correspond with others who are alkie and Catholic. Am thinking of putting up a website devoted to helping Catholic alkies.
My only suggestion to you would be to keep it simple. By the looks of this thread, so many people get so absolutely bogged down and overwhelmed by the minutiae of Catholicism, of the possibility that there might have been a non-Christian inspiration for AA in 1935, or the opportunity for debate that there is no room to explore the simplicity of sobriety one day at a time. Don’t exhaust yourselves trying to prove something wrong. AA has been right for millions of people. It has been for me for 24 years. Be careful how you set up your forum or website rules with regard to posting - the name-calling here, the vitriol that boils up out of nowhere, must be avoided at all costs. It is counterproductive and could actually cost someone his life. Think I’m kidding? Sobriety is precious and fragile and demands careful tending. The man who gave me my 30-day chip had four years of sobriety and when his wife died of cancer he hanged himself. If you have no clear outline or purpose for starting a website for Catholic alcoholics (and here again, the exclusivity is a negative), then don’t.

Limerick
 
I am Catholic who is in recovery for alcoholism and drug addiction. I am currently involved a Christ-centered 12 step program called Celebrate Recovery which was developed by Saddle Back church in California. It uses basically the same 12 step approach as AA but it has support groups for many different areas of recovery, chemical dependency, co-dependency, sexual addictions, anger, sexual and physical abuse, the list goes on and on. As a Catholic I see a need for a Catholic Recovery program similar to this which puts Christ and the Church as an essential part in the recovery of its members in need. But Celebrate Recovery is a protestant recovery program.
Many in the Church have found recovery in AA and it related programs. But I also see this as problematic for many Catholics which seek help. In AA, NA, al-anon other non-Christian spiritual programs I have seen many active Catholics become more dependent on going to meetings and trashing the Church for never teaching them that God was merciful. I have seen very active Catholics who will go to AA meetings every day of the week and totally quit being involved in parish life at all, things like this I seen hundreds of times.

But I see other problems with AA. I have done alot research on Bill W, the roots of AA and the influence of New Age spirituality in program and its founders. The problem of New Age influence in AA really dates back to its beginnings. Both Bill W and Dr Bob was associated with a spirituality movement which seemed to be a Christ Centered Group as we all know in AA circles called The Oxford Group, Bill pulled away from that group to concentrate on Alcoholics. The Oxford Group went on to be the Moral Re-Armament movement lead by a Dr Frank Buchman. The Catholic Church gave warnings about this group from the beginning, because of its Cult-like evangelism and principles it incorporated. This group became very powerful throughout the world and spread its methods even into politics and non-Christian religions. Its effects spread through many members of mainline churches throughout the world. Bill W incorporated many of the methods used by Bachman into the AA program, he just put a different spin upon them divided them into the 12 steps and begin the movement of AA. Bill W. himself adhered to many New Age and occult spirituality techniques and practices which can be confirmed in biographies about Bill W, even in official AA material. Many things that even Fr Dowling warned Bill about. Of course in the beginning many of the people drawn into AA had Judea-Christian upbringings and it seemed to be a generic form of Christianity. Many will point out the influence Fr Dowling had on the program, but did he have an influence on the program or did Bill W have more of influence on him. Bill W. talked Fr. Dowling to experiment with LSD with him to expand on his spirituality.

My sobriety though 12 stepped based, it is not “AA”, it was suggested I go to AA by the leader of the Celebrate Recovery group I attend, during my early days of drying out. I had resigned my job and had too much time on my hands so during those first days of not drinking and having a place to go which had four to five meetings a day was good, but I saw from the beginning that the old timers were drawing new comers away from their Christian beliefs and claiming to have the “Truth” which didn’t include Christ in any shape or form. It is strange now how I see many of the guys that started back at that time and how they (the very few still in recovery) have become almost clones of their sponsors. I hear over and over AA members claim to have had a spiritual awakening in one breath then curse God and the Church in the next. These are the old timers in the groups in this area. The only reason I attend AA meetings now is to give encouragement to other Christians that attend, but the longer they are in AA many tend to reject the Church and the vast majority quit doing any Church related activities at all. AA had been accused of being a cult forty years ago by those in the medical society, but now it has become acceptable, which I believe is because so many in the psychiatry field have adopted many of the teachings of Carl Jung into their practices and that New Age influence was one of many of the influences which Bill W bought into. I could go on and on. Do your own research for I’m not an expert, but it might surprise you.

I truly believe that the Catholic Church, those of us Catholics that are in Recovery, need to be more aware of influence of the New Age spirituality on all of our culture and AA in particular and need to actively find a way to serve alcoholics and others in need within the Church more, other then to depend on groups like AA or protestant groups like CR

I do not doubt nor challenge those Catholics that have long term sobriety in AA, nor do I judge their sobriety, what I would like to discuss should Catholics develop a Catholic Christ-centered recovery program and how could we do it?
 
To fellow Catholics in Recovery,
For your information there are in fact Celebrate Recovery groups at Catholic churches now. I know this for a fact because I started a Celebrate Recovery group at my church which is: Immaculate Conception Church in Sacramento, Ca. website is:www.immaculateconceptionsacramento.org. For more info my email is: owingsa@yahoo.com. I am also on facebook.

In addition to our group in Sacramento, Ca I know of another in Boise, Idaho. I wouldn’t be surprised if there weren’t even more CR groups in Catholic churches. Celebrate Recovery is not just a protestant program. It is for all christians including Catholics.
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                                                                            In His Steps,
                                                                            Alan Owings
 
A lot of this discussion has drifted to the negative side (my fault). I would like to shift the gear and tell what a Christ Centered program like Celebrate Recovery and other Christ Center programs are and by doing so further explore the need of a Catholic Christ Centered program of recovery. So please read carefully and prayerfully.

I’m involved in Celebrate Recovery and it is a program that deals with more the alcoholism and or substance abuse. My home group has small groups, with the men having groups for chemical dependency, anger issues (abusive behaviors), codependency and sexual addiction (porn, same sex attraction, adultery, etc.) and the women’s small groups deal with issues chemical dependency, codependency, codependent of chemically addicted, codependent of sexually addicted, eating disorders, love and relationship addiction, and sex/physical/emotional abuse.

My home group is very large, so it has the ability to divide the small groups into more specific areas. I have visited small home groups and because of them being small the divisions of issues has not been so thorough.

CR groups usually have one large meeting a week, which there is at most of them a time of gathering were food is available and people get to visit with each other in a non threatening atmosphere. After the gather time there is a half hour of praise worship (you know singing and prayer)(for me full worship is the mass) , followed by either a half hour of teaching about the steps, or testimony by someone that has solid recovery in their area (many of the testimonies touch all the issues that cause pain and most of the people that hear them). This time is followed when big group is dismissed into specific issues small groups.

The steps and how they fight in? During the week there are several small groups that meet to work the steps as a group, men groups for men and women groups for women. The groups work the steps together using workbooks that take them not only through the steps but a true faith journey and at the same time are building friendships and a solid group of accountability partners – true since of brotherhood/sisterhood.

These step groups can be specific issue groups or a combination of issues specific. I did my step study with a combination and it really helped me do a very deep and thorough inventory. My step group meet weekly for 15 months and many of the men from it are now leading other step groups.

It is funny and beautiful at the same time. People I would see during the gathering time for months and have no idea what issue they were in recovery for would show up in the chemical addiction small group and share they figured out in step study that the times they were abusive toward their wives they happen to be drinking, or the only time they visited porn sites on the internet was after drinking a few beers after work. And how many that wanted to quit drinking, figured out their drinking was triggered over their guilt over being sexually abused, or they were responsible for pushing a woman into getting an abortion. Deep growth is done in the step groups. And all the time putting Christ right in the center of it all.

My home recovery group is part and yet separate from the church that sponsors it and from time to time the pastor will have sermons related to recovery issues and many in the program are very involved in church’s other ministries and vise versa . (I was before the Holy Spirit lead me into full communion with the Catholic Church, now I oversee one of the ministries in my home Parish and participate in others). Otherwise Celebrate Recovery is bridge for the church body into healing.

This experience is why I see a need for Catholic Christ-Centered Recovery program.

Bennie P ><>
JMJ
 
Bernie,
Why not just start a Celebrate Recovery at your church? As long as you follow the basic DNA of Celebrate Recovery: Jesus as the Higher Power, follow 5 small group guidelines etc;
you are still left with alot of room to express the Catholic faith. Every CR tends to take on the character of the church denomination at which it is held. I run a CR at Immaculate Conception Church in Sacramento, Ca. I am free to implement whatever Catholic practices I choose.
Don’t be surprised if protestants come to the group and decide to become Catholic. I have seen it happen in CR already. Some people pick a specific christian protestant church not because they deliberately want to disagree with Catholic teachings but because that church meets their needs. When a church has a CR it attracts people because you are meeting them at their point of need.
We also must remember the newcomer. CR is great because I can plug them into a support group that is specifically Christ-centered and has meetings all over the world. In Sacramento we have meetings every night of the week and are even talking about having meetings during the day.
I envision the day when all churches that are christian whether Catholic, Assemblies of God, Baptist etc will have their own Celebrate Recovery. Some say that Celebrate Recovery is basically for Evangelicals. Well if that is the case we have an evangelical movement in the Catholic Church called the Charismatic Renewal. Since I am involved also in the Charismatic Renewal perhaps that is why I am more open to Celebrate Recovery. But I also tend to be a bit traditional as most Charismatics are, loyal to the Catholic Church teachings as expressed through the magisterium of the church.
Basically there is no reason why Celebrate Recovery will not work in a Catholic Church. If we can have a group which is more ecumenical in nature like CR I believe that we will have a group which is more “Catholic” in nature. Basically I decided to stick with Celebrate Recovery as the model for a support group at our parish. I feel it works so why “reinvent the wheel”. I have the support of the priests and deacon of our parish who believe that Celebrate Recovery is a great program.
We are presently looking to advertise on Catholic radio and put an add in our diocesan newspaper to inform Catholics about our group. When I was in AA I heard alot of negative criticism about Christians and especially Catholics. Now that I am in Celebrate Recovery I don’t hear that anymore. Our CR group is only 9 months old but I believe that it will continue to grow in size and in time CR will also spread to other Catholic churches in the area. Celebrate Recovery has more meetings in and around the Sacramento area than anywhere else in the world. My group is listed in the main CR website at:www.celebraterecovery.com. In His Steps, Alan Owings
 
**Bernie,

Why not just go to AA? What is so sterling about being a Catholic alcoholic? Use the principles as you would apply them as a Catholic. No need for a specialty group - in setting up specialty groups you are focusing on the differences rather than the similarities. I have found this to be counterproductive. Find your place within, not without.

Limerick**
 
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