A chaste Marriage?

[Brian2589]

Can someone get married if they never plan on having sex? I know it wouldn’t be a sacramental marriage but I know there were some kings in the middle ages who married because there subjects wanted them to and they were chaste.
Ps, I’m not asking for myself. Thanks for any insights that you have.

 

[dove51]

Nope, since marriage was instituted primarily for the procreation of children. Refusal or inability to consummate a marriage makes it invalid and open to annulment.

 

[tee_eff_em]

Can someone get married if they never plan on having sex? I know it wouldn’t be a sacramental marriage but I know there were some kings in the middle ages who married because there subjects wanted them to and they were chaste.
Ps, I’m not asking for myself. Thanks for any insights that you have.

How do you know it wouldn’t be a sacramental marriage?

tee

 

[Dtmccameron]

Nope, since marriage was instituted primarily for the procreation of children. Refusal or inability to consummate a marriage makes it invalid and open to annulment.

Well, I’ve heard of some things called josephite marriages, but not seeking to dispute your point, ask, is there any ruling as to when the married couple must consummate the marriage?

 

[lifeisbeautiful]

Just for the sake of clarity, all marriages should be chaste, everyone is called to chastity, which is different from celibacy. The Catechism is a good place to read more about chastity:
vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm

**2348 **All the baptized are called to chastity. The Christian has "put on Christ,"134 the model for all chastity. All Christ’s faithful are called to lead a chaste life in keeping with their particular states of life. At the moment of his Baptism, the Christian is pledged to lead his affective life in chastity.
**2349 **"People should cultivate [chastity] in the way that is suited to their state of life. Some profess virginity or consecrated celibacy which enables them to give themselves to God alone with an undivided heart in a remarkable manner. Others live in the way prescribed for all by the moral law, whether they are married or single."135 Married people are called to live conjugal chastity; others practice chastity in continence:
There are three forms of the virtue of chastity: the first is that of spouses, the second that of widows, and the third that of virgins. We do not praise any one of them to the exclusion of the others. . . . This is what makes for the richness of the discipline of the Church.136 **2350 **Those who are engaged to marry are called to live chastity in continence. They should see in this time of testing a discovery of mutual respect, an apprenticeship in fidelity, and the hope of receiving one another from God. They should reserve for marriage the expressions of affection that belong to married love. They will help each other grow in chastity.

I know this doesn’t answer your question, sorry about that, but I hope you don’t mind my posting this info here.

 

[Phemie]

By mutual agreement, the couple may decide to never have sex. Once one changes his/her mind the other is compelled to fulfill his/her marital obligations.

 

[nmoerbeek]

Can someone get married if they never plan on having sex? I know it wouldn’t be a sacramental marriage but I know there were some kings in the middle ages who married because there subjects wanted them to and they were chaste.
Ps, I’m not asking for myself. Thanks for any insights that you have.

Many saints have actually done this, and you need special permission from a bishop

 

[Em_in_FL]

Can someone get married if they never plan on having sex? I know it wouldn’t be a sacramental marriage but I know there were some kings in the middle ages who married because there subjects wanted them to and they were chaste.
Ps, I’m not asking for myself. Thanks for any insights that you have.

Just for the sake of clarity, all marriages should be chaste, everyone is called to chastity, which is different from celibacy.

YES! Chastity in marriage is not the same thing as celibacy!

Here is the link to the Catechism where the Sacrament of Matrimony is discussed…
usccb.org/catechism/text/pt2sect2chpt3art7.shtml

It is necessary for the marriage to be consummated, though.

 

[puzzleannie]

Can someone get married if they never plan on having sex? I know it wouldn’t be a sacramental marriage but I know there were some kings in the middle ages who married because there subjects wanted them to and they were chaste.
Ps, I’m not asking for myself. Thanks for any insights that you have.

all married persons are called to chastity within that vocation. All Christians are called to chastity within their state of life, ordained, consecrated religious, single or married state. You are asking about continence, that is refraining from sexual relations within marriage. St. Paul says it is permissible for spouses to refrain from relations for a period of time, by mutual agreement, for devotional or other necessary reasons. This discussion has nothing whatever to do with celibacy, which is the state of being unmarried.

 

[Brian2589]

How do you know it wouldn’t be a sacramental marriage?

tee

I heard on catholic answers live that a sacramental marriage doesn’t exist until it is consumated.

 

[tee_eff_em]

I heard on catholic answers live that a sacramental marriage doesn’t exist until it is consumated.

You either mis-heard or the speaker was mistaken. That is not Catholic teaching.

Baptism makes an otherwise valid marriage sacramental.

Consummation makes an otherwise sacramental marriage indissoluble.

tee

 

[Brian2589]

You either mis-heard or the speaker was mistaken. That is not Catholic teaching.

Baptism makes an otherwise valid marriage sacramental.

Consummation makes an otherwise sacramental marriage indissoluble.

tee

Thanks for clearing that up. Maybe I did hear them wrong.

 

[lifeisbeautiful]

Here are a few quotes from canon law that might help explain the sacramental aspect etc:

“Can. 1055 §1. The matrimonial covenant, by which a man and a woman establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life and which is ordered by its nature to the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring, has been raised by Christ the Lord to the dignity of a sacrament between the baptized.
§2. For this reason, a valid matrimonial contract cannot exist between the baptized without it being by that fact a sacrament.”

“Can. 1061 §1. A valid marriage between the baptized is called ratum tantum if it has not been consummated; it is called ratum et consummatum if the spouses have performed between themselves in a human fashion a conjugal act which is suitable in itself for the procreation of offspring, to which marriage is ordered by its nature and by which the spouses become one flesh.
§2. After a marriage has been celebrated, if the spouses have lived together consummation is presumed until the contrary is proven.”

You can read more here:
vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P3V.HTM

(you can click next to keep reading the different subtitles under marriage)

 

[tee_eff_em]

Here are a few quotes from canon law that might help explain the sacramental aspect etc:

“Can. 1055 §1. The matrimonial covenant, by which a man and a woman establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life and which is ordered by its nature to the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring, has been raised by Christ the Lord to the dignity of a sacrament between the baptized.
§2. For this reason, a valid matrimonial contract cannot exist between the baptized without it being by that fact a sacrament.”

“Can. 1061 §1. A valid marriage between the baptized is called ratum tantum if it has not been consummated; it is called ratum et consummatum if the spouses have performed between themselves in a human fashion a conjugal act which is suitable in itself for the procreation of offspring, to which marriage is ordered by its nature and by which the spouses become one flesh.
§2. After a marriage has been celebrated, if the spouses have lived together consummation is presumed until the contrary is proven.”

You can read more here:
vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P3V.HTM

(you can click next to keep reading the different subtitles under marriage)

And, just to give support to my assertion, above, that Consummation makes an otherwise sacramental marriage indissoluble:
Can. 1141 A marriage that is ratum et consummatum can be dissolved by no human power and by no cause, except death.

Can. 1142 For a just cause, the Roman Pontiff can dissolve a non-consummated marriage between baptized persons or between a baptized party and a non-baptized party at the request of both parties or of one of them, even if the other party is unwilling.

tee

 

[Mintaka]

In the past, this was usually done between two people whose families were making them get married but believed they had vocations to religious life, or who were otherwise prevented from entering religious life, or for some other reason of convenience that made them want to live together but only as brother and sister.

If people have been prevented from entering religious life, that usually means that God doesn’t really mean them to live that way. St. Therese’s parents originally intended to have a Josephite marriage, and did live together as brother and sister for the first few years of their married life. But eventually, taking a child temporarily into their home helped them discern that God wanted them to have lots and lots of kids, and that He wanted them to make those kids the old-fashioned way. Good thing for us that they did!

 

[OLHope]

Can someone get married if they never plan on having sex? I know it wouldn’t be a sacramental marriage but I know there were some kings in the middle ages who married because there subjects wanted them to and they were chaste.
Ps, I’m not asking for myself. Thanks for any insights that you have.

I asked my pastor this question, he was very adamant in stating that marriage is the full giving of one another’s body to your spouse. I told him finding just anyone is not a problem for marriage, finding someone I like with the hopes of the feelings becoming stronger and him being at least a good Catholic are very difficult, but I was saying this because I seem to see professional couples(non catholic), who are in a partnership and you can tell they are not intimate(they don’t seem to care about each other, but they are civil). My Pastor stated I need to have a marriage, not a roommate.