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challenger2
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A Christian Challenge for all you Christian Apologetics:
youtube.com/watch?v=HYOvFXKkzWQ
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youtube.com/watch?v=HYOvFXKkzWQ
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Can any Christian answer these 17 impossible questions?
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Thing
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If you can copy and paste all 17 question into a post, how are our tiny human minds supposed to remember them all.
One that stood out a bit was why God would use such an obscure jewish person to get His message to the whole world, or words to that effect. And there is the answer also, the author of the youtube clip has obviously heard all about Christianity 2000 years after its establishment, so, no problem with the method of transmition.
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challenger2
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These are good questions. I can’t find answers to them anywhere.
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Thing
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Which one question bothers you most?
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challenger2
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Explain why God kept the fact that he was a Trinity a secret till the advent of Jesus. Show me where else, aside from mythology, where God was represented as Triune God before 0 A.D. Hit me up.
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rvilbig
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In Genesis 3: God refers to Himself as a plurality of persons in one God: "Then God (=1) said: “Let us (>1) make man in our (>1) image.” (Gen 3:26). I think the Trinity could also be found in the Wisdom books. Let me know if you want me to track down references there.
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challenger2
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No where, in any world major religion is the Trinity noted by its followers, not even as a vestige - unlike monotheism. Who are you kidding? And the Jews deny they ever believed a God who referred to himself in the plural sense.
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JRKH
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Prior to Christ’s salvic mission God was preparing His people. In those days multiple God’s within a single community was quite common. God’s first desire was to teach His people that there is ONE God - Not many.
To reveal the trinity at that time, before the incarnation and the coming of the Paraclete, would have only served to confuse the issue. Many People, accustomed to multiple gods would have simply seen this as another “multiple god”.
Does this help?
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rvilbig
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Just google “Trinity in the Old Testament”, and you’ll find lots of resources on this. Here’s a passage in Isaiah in which the three persons of God are described: “[God]said: They are indeed my (the Father’s) people, children who are not disloyal; So he became their savior (the Son) in their every affliction. It was not a messenger or an angel, but he himself who saved them. Because of his love and pity he redeemed them himself, Lifting them and carrying them all the days of old. But they rebelled, and grieved his holy spirit (the Holy Spirit); So he turned on them like an enemy, and fought against them.” (Is 63:8-10)
Which other questions on the video are troubling you?
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JohnDamian
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That makes no sense.
No where, in any world major religion…unlike monotheism ?!
Most people on the Planet are Monotheists - most of which are Abrahamic ones, and the Abrahamic God reveals himself as “us” in Genesis.
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On the surface, yes, but have you even READ their scriptures? All of them proclaim One God, without any partners or relatives. You generalized that all people were pantheistic. Even the Chinese believed in One God for 1000s of years as Tien. Where are you getting your information from?
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I don’t see what is the point if He didn’t?
But anyway, God reveals in stages in accord with the development of His people. As a father, you would not teach your son complex ideas like how to invest your money in stock options before he even learns the alphabet.
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challenger2
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So God play’s a game of deceit for 1000s of years till Jesus makes his advent. Interesting.
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JohnDamian
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If it is deciet for God to do that, what is it to put your religion down as Orthodox when your not?
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challenger2
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I seem just because it says ‘us’ you take God in the plural sense, not in the royal sense? Have you even read the Bible? Don’t you find it peculiar in the same chapter that God had vegetation growing on Earth without the source of light? Amazing.That makes no sense.
No where, in any world major religion…unlike monotheism ?!
Most people on the Planet are Monotheists - most of which are Abrahamic ones, and the Abrahamic God reveals himself as “us” in Genesis.
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JohnDamian
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It is patently clear that the story is allegorical, the phrases used make it clear that God is an “us”, even disregarding this, (Is 63:8-10) also points at the trinity.
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Thing
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Some of the very first words in the Old Testament have God speaking as One God but with several persons. ‘We shall make man in our own image’ etc.
Psalm 2:7
Quare fremuerunt. The vain efforts of persecutors against Christ and his church.
1 Why have the Gentiles raged, and the people devised vain things? 2 The kings of the earth stood up, and the princes met together, against the Lord and against his Christ. 3 Let us break their bonds asunder: and let us cast away their yoke from us. 4 He that dwelleth in heaven shall laugh at them: and the Lord shall deride them. 5 Then shall he speak to them in his anger, and trouble them in his rage.
6 But I am appointed king by him over Sion his holy mountain, preaching his commandment. 7 The Lord hath said to me: Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee.
The persons in Genesis are not several Gods but the same One God so there never was a need to say anything other than there is One God. But God still said; We shall make…
Later in St. Johns Gospel the opening words go like this; 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made. …14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
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MarcoPolo
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No, parents don’t play a game of deceit when they hold back teaching their kids complex math until they are old enough. Your comment makes no sense.
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JRKH
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Good, I’m glad that it is of some help.
Yes I did generalize, but nowhere did I say that ALL people were pantheistic. I said it was common.
I do endeavor to write carefully and I hope that those reading will endeavor to read carefully.
When we are discussing God revealing himself we are talking about from the beginning of Man on Earth - A very long time indeed. I would say that most ancient cultures evolved from a “nature gods” mentality toward the monotheistic vew. Certainly in the area around Judea, the region we are dealing with in Scripture, multiple Gods were prevelant even up into Christ’s time. The Missionaries into Europe also found many multi-god cultures. So my observation stands that revealing the trinity before the incarnation would have only served to confuse.
Now if God was bringing others to Himself (in China as you mention) He would naturally do so in a similar way. That is by bringing people from a “pantheism” to a “monotheism”.
I just don’t see the big deal here.
As for where I am getting my “information” - nowhere. I am using my own common sense and how God has given me to understand these things.
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