A Christian Challenge for all you Christian Apologetics!

[Areopagite]

Forgive me, but I’m going to reply to these questions with some amount of … thoroughness.

** Q1. Prove the gospels are eyewitness accounts WITHOUT DOUBT. Why else would you be inviting people to Christianity?**

Certainly not for that reason. You can doubt anything if you want to. You can certainly doubt the Qur’an. You can even doubt that you’re really awake and start believing that everything is an illusion in life. Very poor objection.

** Q2. Why is Paul allowed to have such a huge role in deciding and making the sacred scripture when he didn’t even see Jesus, and basically just had a dream?**

Did he? Or did he actually see Jesus? How do we know Muhummad really saw Jesus, Moses, and Abraham in the Isra and Miraj in heaven, getting there by riding a winged horse named Barack (I’m not even joking)? It’s funny because some Muslims actually think the Miraj was a dream and didn’t physically happen … but that doesn’t deter from its significance in Islam. Another poor objection.

** Q3. You say the first Christians worshipped Jesus. Then what about the Ebionites? They didn’t worship Jesus! They worshiped God.**

I guess they weren’t Christian then. The fact is, most people who called themselves Christian worshipped Jesus. Some didn’t … and they were heretics. Not too complicated. I don’t even know why this is an objection.

** Q4. Why didn’t God reveal himself as a Trinity in the Old Testament? Was he being deceptive for 1000s of years?**

I don’t see how “not revealing” something constitutes deception necessarily. Obviously if God denied that He was three persons but then later on said He was three persons, that would be an example of deception. But He never denied He was three Persons. Also, God chose to reveal the great mysteries gradually so that man could better understand. It’s funny, though, Islam believes Allah is the “Great Deceiver” and causes people to be evil because He directly deceives them. Islam is an evil religion. This objection, in addition to being silly, is hypocritical.

** Q5. The nature of God is supposed to be unchanging. Yet according to Christianity, the nature of God BEFORE 0 A.D was 100% non-flesh, whereas AFTER 0 A.D it was 2/3 non-flesh and 1/3 flesh (Jesus). What’s up with that?**

The divine nature of God never changed. However, a case of humanity was divinized and joined to the divine nature (i.e. Jesus Christ). But that didn’t affect the divine nature. So there was no change in God. This objection is decent but definitely not original.

** Q6. The concept of Trinity is simply illogical. Calling it complex is not doing it justice. Saying 1+1+1=1 is not complexity, it’s just a failing to grasp basic math. How can you continue to stand by something so irrational and illogical?**

If we said God is three Gods, that might be a problem. If we said God is one Person in Three Persons, that might be a problem. But we are saying God is Three Persons. “God” and “Person” are two different terms, and we are not equating the two, hence three Persons doesn’t equal one God necessarily. To disprove the Trinity, you have to philosophically demonstrate that Three Personhoods cannot exist in one omnipotent being. If you want to see what the Catholic Church says in detail about this, I suggest reading the Cappadocian Fathers. But before that, you might need some philosophical background info, so read Aristotle. Might as well read Boethius too. This objection objection is a popular but a sloppy objection.

** Q7. How can Jesus be both man and divine? The very nature of divine is to be unlimited, whereas the very nature of man means that he IS limited. It’s synonymous to saying that someone is both alive and dead, or perfectly good and perfectly evil. It’s impossible. Man and divine are polar opposites.**

If human and divine nature are polar opposites, then man would be completely evil, right? Also, I suppose, man would not exist, since God exists. So, what you mean by “polar opposites” is a little ambiguous. Maybe you have a point, but you need to explain yourself better.

If the divine is unlimited, why can’t God also become man? If He can’t, then that would suggest a limitation on God, would it not?

You need to make your case better that this.

** Q8. Why would God send anyone to hell for simply deciding to follow our own reason and not blindly worship a Jew who lived 2000 years ago … no eyewitness documents to show what he actually said and did …?**

No eyewitness accounts? Have you heard of the Gospel of St. John? John was an Apostle of Jesus and was definitely an eyewitness. Then there was the Gospel of St. Matthew. Guess what? Also and Apostle. So … what are you talking about?

Also, if you honestly use your reason and yet never hear of Jesus (or, at least, never are exposed to Him in a meaningful way) and follow your conscience, then you will not go to hell. Jesus will reveal Himself to you in a mysterious way to those who are searching for God to the best of their abilities. So no worries. A worthy objection. Better than the others at least.

 

[Areopagite]

** Q8 cont. Crusades, Inquisition, Ethnic Cleansing and forced conversion of Native Americans, etc. … all of which had full support of the Catholic Church and the Catholic Clergy!**

What?

Well, first of all, the goal of the Crusades were completely just. Muslims had taken over the Holy Land and tons of other land (in fact, they had created the largest Empire IN HISTORY up to that point under the Umayyad Caliphate) and were attacking Europe constantly and destroying thousands of Christian churches (research Al-Hakim, the ruler of the Fatimid Caliphate) and were committing horrible atrocities to Christian pilgrims (especially under the Seljuk Empire). So, were the Crusades just? Heck yeah. Was everything that the crusaders did just? Well, no. But I assume you believe that some of the wars that Muslims fought were just … but hopefully you believe that not all Muslims acted justly all the time during those wars (oh, I hope you admit that, at least). So, the goal of the crusades were just, but not everything done by all the crusaders were just (but that is the case for every war … even just wars).

The Inquisition was founded to help weed out traitors in the Spanish Government who had pretended to convert to Christianity but were really secretly aiding Muslims who were trying to take over Spain (the Muslims had wrongfully invaded Spain in the first place … what do you say to that? I’m curious … most curious). There were some abuses under the Inquisition, and the Pope actually tried to stop the abuses. But the Inquisition itself, as a method of trying to weed out conspirators to Spanish government against the treacherous Moors, was completely a legitimate institution, and I would have supported them completely.

The Ethnic cleansing of Native Americans were usually politically driven by the Spanish government (and maybe others). But I know the Pope constantly criticized and tried to make them stop that violence. So I don’t know what you mean by saying the Catholic Church supported that. You’re making things up.

In any case, it is not a Christian doctrine that “Christians will never sin” so citing the sins of Christians doesn’t disprove Christianity.

I am wondering whether YOU will admit the sin of Muslims. I NEVER have heard ANY Muslim ADMIT that Muslims have EVER done evil in the name of ISLAM. Islam disproportionately creates more violence in the world than anything else. I know that not all Muslims are “radicals.” But guess how many “radical Muslims” there are (i.e. Muslims who support Jihad in the Terrorist sense)? Around 200 million! (this is a widely agreed upon estimate … Google it). Most Muslims, at least it seems (prove me wrong), seem to silently consent to the evil actions of those Muslims, and only object with words like, “Hey, don’t do that … that makes Islam look bad” rather than saying, “You’re murdering people! That’s wrong!” It’s pathetic. Islam is an evil religion. And this objection is rebutted.

 

[Areopagite]

** Q10. Why did Jesus say “Why have you forsaken me” if that was part of the plan? And how can God forsake God?**

Ah, not a bad question. First of all, God merely asked the question. It does not necessarily follow that God actually forsook God.

There are many ways to interpret this … and all those interpretations may be correct. Here is my favorite interpretation …

From Orthodoxy, by G.K. Chesterton:

Lastly, this truth is yet again true in the case of the common modern attempts to diminish or to explain away the divinity of Christ. The thing may be true or not; that I shall deal with before I end. But if the divinity is true it is certainly terribly revolutionary. That a good man may have his back to the wall is no more than we knew already; but that God could have his back to the wall is a boast for all insurgents for ever. Christianity is the only religion on earth that has felt that omnipotence made God incomplete. Christianity alone has felt that God, to be wholly God, must have been a rebel as well as a king. Alone of all creeds, Christianity has added courage to the virtues of the Creator. For the only courage worth calling courage must necessarily mean that the soul passes a breaking point—and does not break. In this indeed I approach a matter more dark and awful than it is easy to discuss; and I apologise in advance if any of my phrases fall wrong or seem irreverent touching a matter which the greatest saints and thinkers have justly feared to approach. But in that terrific tale of the Passion there is a distinct emotional suggestion that the author of all things (in some unthinkable way) went not only through agony, but through doubt. It is written, “Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.” No; but the Lord thy God may tempt Himself; and it seems as if this was what happened in Gethsemane. In a garden Satan tempted man: and in a garden God tempted God. He passed in some superhuman manner through our human horror of pessimism. When the world shook and the sun was wiped out of heaven, it was not at the crucifixion, but at the cry from the cross: the cry which confessed that God was forsaken of God. And now let the revolutionists choose a creed from all the creeds and a god from all the gods of the world, carefully weighing all the gods of inevitable recurrence and of unalterable power. They will not find another god who has himself been in revolt. Nay, (the matter grows too difficult for human speech,) but let the atheists themselves choose a god. They will find only one divinity who ever uttered their isolation; only one religion in which God seemed for an instant to be an atheist.

So, let me just say in short … God is omnipotent. Jesus allowed Himself to undergo the experience of feeling like God forsook Him, just as all humans feel that sometimes … but in reality, God does not forsake us. But sometimes it seems that way.

Once again, this is not a bad objection. It should be asked by every Christian … every human. But don’t worry … there’s an answer.

** Q11. Christian art is unbiblical.**

If God never incarnated Himself, then you may have a point. Christianity, however, believes God became man and thus naturally took on visible form. Since Jesus is God in physical form, it is quite natural (and good) to depict Him in art.

** Q12. Which Christian denomination is the true one?**

The Catholic Church.

However, I could ask you the same question about Islam? Which Islamic sect is the right one? Not only are their Shi’ites and Sunnis and Kharijites and Sufis … but there are denominations with those as well. Shi’ites are divided into Fivers, Seveners, and Twelves. Which Sunni school is correct? Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi’i or Hanbali? Sunni Islam has experienced other divisions, like disagreements on which Caliph to follow. And what about the Taliban? They are a Sunni sect. Are they right? What do Sunnis do now … now that there hasn’t been a Caliph for almost 100 years? Where is your Caliph? Who is the successor of Muhammad? What about polygamy? There is widespread disagreement on whether it’s okay or not (Muhammad had four wives … so isn’t it okay?). Some Muslims think Christians are saved … others think they’re not. Islam is a mess. Maybe even more of a mess than Christianity. Muslims can interpret the Qur’an however they want and there’s no one to stop them.

** Q13. Where exactly in the New Testament does it limit the number of of wives amn can have, or specify the minimum age for the bride? Because the Old Testament allows polygamy and allows girls to be married at the age of three.**

Allows girls to be married at the age of three? Wha? Never heard that before. I’ve googled it and cannot find the verse you are referring to. Maybe it’s in there, but I can’t find it.

In any case, God revealed His law gradually to the Jews (and humanity in general), rather than setting down everything at once. Hence, He allowed certain things until mankind was fully ready to handle the fullness of the divine law. He allowed polygamy for a time, but at the time of Jesus (correct me if I’m wrong), monogamy was universal among the Jews (except for maybe people like … Herod … who wasn’t even Jewish ethnically).

In any case, even if the New Testament doesn’t explicitly state the necessity of monogamy, that doesn’t matter (unless you’re a Protestant … because for most Protestants, the Bible is the only relevant religious authority). The Catholic Church has understood that polygamy is a departure from God’s original plan for man and wife and has understood this from early on … check the Church Fathers, particularly St. Augustine for example.

 

[Areopagite]

** Q14. Christianity oppresses women … not allowed to become priests … not guaranteed inheritance from parents or own property or earn income in the Bible … and 1 Timothy 2:12 says “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent”**

Yeah, women can’t become priest. So? How is this oppressing them? Islam doesn’t permit women to become Caliphs, right? We’ve never criticized you for that. Some Muslims think it’s okay to have female Imams, but Imams are just leaders in prayer, which women are also allowed to do in Catholicism.

Even though the Bible doesn’t say that women are allowed to own property and earn income, and whatnot … it doesn’t matter … the Catholic Church (i.e. the Popes and the Magisterium) allow for that anyway. In the Catholic Church, the Bible is not said to explicitly contain all truth (I can’t say the same for Protestantism).

As for the verse from the Letter to Timothy … there are a number of things Paul says in this chapter that are not unchanging doctrinal rules. Catholics don’t view the Bible as, “Any rule that the Bible gives must be followed at all times.” Some rules, however, are to be followed always. The Catholic Church (i.e. the Magisterium) determines which ones are which. The verse you cited does not express a hard-fast rule … at least according to the Magisterium as far as I can see. (prove me wrong if you want)

Now, to remind you of some of Islam’s sins against women:

Sharia law says that a woman should be beheaded if she is raped (honestly, WTF).

It is permissible to rape a Muslim woman if she is out in public without her burqa.

Muslim men can divorce their wives by simply saying “I divorce you” three times in the living room.

Muslim men … oh yeah … can have four wives (like Muhammad) and yet women cannot have four husbands. (it’s called polygamy, if you didn’t know … still practiced by a lot of Muslims)

Muslim men are allowed to beat their wives.

Islam is an evil religion.

** Q15. Why did God permit Islam?**

Why did God permit Christianity (I would ask a Muslim)?

Ultimately, God allowed evil (an example of which is Islam) to show mankind that God can triumph over anything, even the greatest of evils. Islam will one day be defeated once and for all, even if they, at one point, have seemed to triumph over Christianity.

** Q16. How is a mosque at Ground Zero unconstitutional?**

It’s not unconstitutional. But do you understand people’s reaction to that? No?

I don’t know if you heard … but Muslims flew a plane into the World Trade Center. I didn’t hear you condemn that. Typical. I honestly have never heard any Muslim condemn that. Can you be the first? (or at least the first I would hear of)

By the way, I am against the war in Iraq, if that means anything. In fact, on behalf of America to the Iraqis, I’m sorry.

I, on the other hand, supported the war in Afghanistan.

** Q17. Why do you keep blocking video responses which expose you as the lying charade you are? We don’t block video responses.**

I, of course, have no idea what you’re talking about. At this point, I have never posted a YouTube video, so I’ve never blocked any video responses. So, it’s kind of absurd to accuse all of Christianity of doing this. And how have you exposed our lies? Is this list of queries an example of exposing our lies? Wow. If this is the best you can do, we’re in less danger than I thought.

I would really like to hear Muslims start to fess up to the atrocities they have done over the years (especially during the crusades, as they were much more barbaric than the crusaders) … including the lies committed on the idea of Taqiya. But I expect to year a general silence once again.

Well, I’ll hand it to you, Muslims. You have better fertility rates than us at the moment (which is partially thanks to your polygamy), so you are going to become a force to reckon with once again. I encourage you to honor your golden age, typified by the Abbasid Caliphate, where Aristotle and other writings of great thinkers were welcome and where invention and science flourished until they were rejected sometime during the Ottoman Empire for fear that new ideas were in conflict with the Qur’an. It is no wonder because most of your great thinkers (e.g. Al-Kindi, Avicenna, Averroes) were heretics in the eyes of most Muslims. That is why you have had a distrust of science and why most of your societies have not attained the level of development that European countries and their ancestors have reached and why you have to use our technology to try and defeat us. I know you want to destroy us. And I don’t blame you. We have committed sins against you. But that doesn’t mean you are right. Your religion is evil and it must be rejected. I know in your heart of hearts that you are troubled by the teachings of Islam … but you may be afraid because if you apostatize, you are liable to being executed under Sharia law. So I am not blaming or judging you. In fact, God Bless you. Allah bless you. Until we meet again, maa al salama.

 

[VetA]

First of all, lobbing tangled messes like this into our midst and expecting us to sort it all out is a sign that you are not at all interested in listening to us. You think we are starving dogs to be thrown a pile of garbage so that you can laugh at us as we fight over a flap of rotten chicken skin?

Here we go.

** Q1. Prove the gospels are eyewitness accounts WITHOUT DOUBT. Why else would you be inviting people to Christianity?**

A1. “Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment” (John 12:3). Falsified testimony never includes reports of odors.

** Q2. Why is Paul allowed to have such a huge role in deciding and making the sacred scripture when he didn’t even see Jesus, and basically just had a dream?**

A2. Mohammed never saw Jesus either but Mohammed single-handedly created a new religion from scratch. What Paul did was far more modest.

** Q3. You say the first Christians worshipped Jesus. Then what about the Ebionites? They didn’t worship Jesus! They worshiped God.**

A3. Never met an Ebionite, so I can’t say.

** Q4. Why didn’t God reveal himself as a Trinity in the Old Testament? Was he being deceptive for 1000s of years?**

A4. God waited 600 years to tell the world through Mohammed that Christians got it all wrong. Now who is being deceptive?

** Q5. The nature of God is supposed to be unchanging. Yet according to Christianity, the nature of God BEFORE 0 A.D was 100% non-flesh, whereas AFTER 0 A.D it was 2/3 non-flesh and 1/3 flesh (Jesus). What’s up with that?**

A5. There was no year 0 A.D. If you are that uninformed, then you won’t understand this answer anyway. But Jesus’ human nature is human, not divine. And the ratio is not 2/3 to 1/3, but 5/6 to 1/6.

** Q6. The concept of Trinity is simply illogical. Calling it complex is not doing it justice. Saying 1+1+1=1 is not complexity, it’s just a failing to grasp basic math. How can you continue to stand by something so irrational and illogical?**

A6. You just proved that you don’t understand our calendar AND you don’t understand elementary math. So what is illogical to you is merely your own ignorance.

** Q7. How can Jesus be both man and divine? The very nature of divine is to be unlimited, whereas the very nature of man means that he IS limited. It’s synonymous to saying that someone is both alive and dead, or perfectly good and perfectly evil. It’s impossible. Man and divine are polar opposites.**

A7. Your questions are turning into statements, which means that you are no longer interested in answers. And after displaying ignorance of our calendar and of basic math, you now show your ignorance of English grammar. Jesus can be both human and divine because the human and divine natures are united in him, not mixed. There is no exact analogy in the natural world, and Jesus is the sole example of such a union, so I can’t explain it further.

[From now on, I will condense your increasingly verbose, rambling statement-questions.]

** Q8. Why would God send anyone to hell?**

A8. Because some people want to go to hell.

** Q8 cont. Why doesn’t God give more evidence of the truth of Christianity?**

A8 cont. Because he knew Christians would be smart enough not to believe Mohammed.

** Q9. Christians have done bad things.**

A9. Muslims have done bad things.

** Q10. Why did Jesus say “Why have you forsaken me” if that was part of the plan? And how can God forsake God?**

A10. God forsook God so that no human could object that Jesus failed to fully experience the human condition.

** Q11. Christian art is unbiblical.**

A11. No Christian with a brain worships images.

** Q12. Which Christian denomination is the true one?**

A12. The Catholic one.

** Q13. Where in the New Testament is polygamy prohibited or a minimum age set for marriage?**

A13. Nowhere.

** Q14. Christianity oppresses women.**

A14. Islam oppresses women.

** Q15. Why did God permit Islam?**

A15. For the same reason he permitted The Fall.

** Q16. How is a mosque at Ground Zero unconstitutional?**

A16. It isn’t.

** Q17. Why are you silencing us?**

A17. Because your screeching is tiresome.

Q12A: which Muslim denomination do you clam to be the true one

also i fail to see what that video has to do with Acts 17…

 

[JRKH]

Just to add a little to these excelllant responses.

I’ll give a wack at it:

Here we go.

** Q1. Prove the gospels are eyewitness accounts WITHOUT DOUBT. Why else would you be inviting people to Christianity?**

A1. Silly question. It’s impossible to prove anything “without doubt”. The best we can do is eliminate reasonable doubt.

Which has been done. 4 gospels by 4 writers concur on most details etc; naming specific rulers (times and dates) indicates “reality” in history; apostles who died rather than recant; the fact that the faith remained a “peaceful one” in the face of 1) desire on the part of Jews for a “Temporal Messiah” establishing an “Earthly Kingdom” and 2) the persecutions of Rome.

** Q2. Why is Paul allowed to have such a huge role in deciding and making the sacred scripture when he didn’t even see Jesus, and basically just had a dream?**

A2. Because God knew that Paul would become arguably the greatest Christian missionary and wanted to use his great intellect despite the fact that he didn’t see Jesus. So he sent him a vision. Silly question.

How do you know Pauld did not see Jesus? Paul was a contemporary of the times and places of Jesus ministry so He certainly could have seen Jesus.
Secondly - Paul wrote many letters to the various Churches. But it was not he who “made them Scripture”. God did that and they were formally recognized as such by Church council.

** Q3. You say the first Christians worshipped Jesus. Then what about the Ebionites? They didn’t worship Jesus! They worshiped God.**

A3. Then they weren’t Christians. They just called themselves Christians.

Nothing to add (NTA)

** Q4. Why didn’t God reveal himself as a Trinity in the Old Testament? Was he being deceptive for 1000s of years?**

A4. There was no point. His plan was being revealed to us slowly. Why confuse us?

NTA

** Q5. The nature of God is supposed to be unchanging. Yet according to Christianity, the nature of God BEFORE 0 A.D was 100% non-flesh, whereas AFTER 0 A.D it was 2/3 non-flesh and 1/3 flesh (Jesus). What’s up with that?**

A5. Stupid question. The concept of the nature of God is not physical.

The “Fleshy part” that is, the incarnation, was God (Jesus) entering time and space. Therefore the “Flesh” did not exist prior to the conception in Mary’s womb. “The Word” that was and is Christ. existed from the beginning.

** Q6. The concept of Trinity is simply illogical. Calling it complex is not doing it justice. Saying 1+1+1=1 is not complexity, it’s just a failing to grasp basic math. How can you continue to stand by something so irrational and illogical?**

A6. Divine laws and Earthly laws are not the same.

God is not “basic Math”.
In **boolean algebra **(the algebra of logic and used etensively in computer design) 1+1+1 =1 is a true statement.

** Q7. How can Jesus be both man and divine? The very nature of divine is to be unlimited, whereas the very nature of man means that he IS limited. It’s synonymous to saying that someone is both alive and dead, or perfectly good and perfectly evil. It’s impossible. Man and divine are polar opposites.**

A7. He’s wrong, since men were made in the image of the divine. But beyond that, God limited himself so he could take on the human experience.

The very question is flawed in that it limits God himself who, by the the definition given in the question is unlimited.

[Condenses Questions]

** Q8. Why would God send anyone to hell?**

A8. Some people reject God. Being without God is Hell. God doesn’t send them there.

He is a Loving God who gives us both what we ask for (by rejecting Him) and what we deserve (by choosing not to live for Him)

** Q8 cont. Why doesn’t God give more evidence of the truth of Christianity?**

A8 cont. There’s a lot of proof.

He’s given pleny already. To give more (like proving it without a doubt) would be to interfere with our free will.

** Q9. Christians have done bad things.**

A9. Muslims have done bad things too. That proves nothing at all.

If all Christians lived perfectly and all Muslims lived perfectly God’s Kingdom would very quickly take over the entire world.

** Q10. Why did Jesus say “Why have you forsaken me” if that was part of the plan? And how can God forsake God?**

A10. He was quoting one of the psalms.

NTA

** Q11. Christian art is unbiblical.**

A11. No.

So far as I know, “art” is nowhere forbidden in Scripture, at best “Graven” (carved) images are, but even they are not forbidden in all cases.

** Q12. Which Christian denomination is the true one?**

A12.
Catholicism.

NTA

** Q13. Where in the New Testament is polygamy prohibited or a minimum age set for marriage?**

A13. Nowhere directly.

NTA

** Q14. Christianity oppresses women.**

A14. No.

Christianity liberates women.

** Q15. Why did God permit Islam?**

A15. As somebody else pointed out, the same reason he permitted the Fall. It will lead to a greater good. Perhaps just because it’s a step toward worshipping the Abrahamic God, if not the Christian God. Baby steps, people.

NTA

** Q16. How is a mosque at Ground Zero unconstitutional?**

A16. It’s not.

NTA

** Q17. Why are you silencing us?**

A17. We’re not. I responded to these stupid questions, did I not?

NTA

Peace
James

 

[CatholicFireman]

9commands is pulling the same garbage on another thread…unless this is one and the same person.

By the way, good answers, JRKH.

 

[CatholicFireman]

UPDATE:

9commands’ thread has been pulled. Way to go moderators!

Let that be a warning to people who come on here simply to cause trouble as opposed to good healthy debate/good honest inquiries.

We are here to educate and share our faith, not but heads

Pax†

 

[twinc]

I don’t see what is the point if He didn’t?
But anyway, God reveals in stages in accord with the development of His people. As a father, you would not teach your son complex ideas like how to invest your money in stock options before he even learns the alphabet.

this is perfectly feasible and reasonable - the Messiah was foretold but unaccepted on arrival.The point is of course proved in that the trinity was disclosed but somehow unaccepted and this was at the very beginning,so to speak,at Genesis 18 - twinc

 

[Areopagite]

It’s funny, my replies on YouTube were eventually blocked by the guy who claimed (in query #17) that Muslims don’t block Christian responses to any of their vidoes. Well, so much for that, eh?

 

[Simeon_Hovey]

The only question I’ll respond to is the one about the Crusades and that’s because I’ve studied them. As is common what is given as the rationale to the people at the bottom was not what the Crusades were really about. They were about the usual suspects: politics, power, wealth, land and so forth. I will address one point about the Crusades and that is the so called Children’s Crusade which was nothing more than a small local event (blown out of proportion by history) involving slave traders who tricked parents into sending their children into slavery. None of these children ever left Italy except as slaves.

My question is why do some Christians feel the necessity to respond to the questions of people who don’t want to be convinced by any answer we could possibly give them?

Rather these questions are an attack on the individual believers of our faith. If one lives a life walking in the path of Christ the evidence of the Trinity will become manifest in one’s life: our lives will change from being self-centered to thinking more about others, we will be happier and more settled in the midst of life’s challenges, as we learn to let go of self in our prayers the answers to prayers will become greater than anything we could have imagined for ourselves. Learning how to be a vessel of Christ is how I found myself.

There always has been and will always be human knowledge that can pick apart the bible but why respond to it? If Christ calls to you answer what you believe rather than the artificial knowledge you’ve been taught. As one who as traveled the world extensively I can attest that what passes for knowledge and world view varies widely throughout the world.

Finally, in America today Christianity is under attack more than it’s ever been, this is because of the political and worldly goals of our so called “leaders” and politicians have an agenda that is not Christian – this is why they are trying to destroy Christianity.

My thoughts

 

[CatholicFireman]

It’s funny, my replies on YouTube were eventually blocked by the guy who claimed (in query #17) that Muslims don’t block Christian responses to any of their vidoes. Well, so much for that, eh?

Yeah, I saw that too. Imagine that.

 

[Areopagite]

The only question I’ll respond to is the one about the Crusades and that’s because I’ve studied them. As is common what is given as the rationale to the people at the bottom was not what the Crusades were really about. They were about the usual suspects: politics, power, wealth, land and so forth. I will address one point about the Crusades and that is the so called Children’s Crusade which was nothing more than a small local event (blown out of proportion by history) involving slave traders who tricked parents into sending their children into slavery. None of these children ever left Italy except as slaves.

My question is why do some Christians feel the necessity to respond to the questions of people who don’t want to be convinced by any answer we could possibly give them?

Rather these questions are an attack on the individual believers of our faith. If one lives a life walking in the path of Christ the evidence of the Trinity will become manifest in one’s life: our lives will change from being self-centered to thinking more about others, we will be happier and more settled in the midst of life’s challenges, as we learn to let go of self in our prayers the answers to prayers will become greater than anything we could have imagined for ourselves. Learning how to be a vessel of Christ is how I found myself.

There always has been and will always be human knowledge that can pick apart the bible but why respond to it? If Christ calls to you answer what you believe rather than the artificial knowledge you’ve been taught. As one who as traveled the world extensively I can attest that what passes for knowledge and world view varies widely throughout the world.

Finally, in America today Christianity is under attack more than it’s ever been, this is because of the political and worldly goals of our so called “leaders” and politicians have an agenda that is not Christian – this is why they are trying to destroy Christianity.

My thoughts

You have much wisdom here.

However, it is sometimes hard to judge who will not be convinced by any answer you could possibly give them. So, I think it our duty to at least try and show them the truth, for perhaps they are honestly confused about it. Also, by examining the faith to others you yourself begin to gain a deeper understanding of it yourself.

I’m not sure what you mean when you say:

If Christ calls to you answer what you believe rather than the artificial knowledge you’ve been taught. As one who as traveled the world extensively I can attest that what passes for knowledge and world view varies widely throughout the world.

What do you mean by artificial knowledge? Just because people disagree on what knowledge is doesn’t mean that all knowledge is artificial. Am I misinterpreting your words? I might be. I apologize, if so.