A Christian denomination without a name?

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Nicea325 said:
The following is from the CC Catechism on your question:

Although physical human bodies die, human souls never die. The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches that every spiritual soul “is immortal: It does not perish when it separates from the body at death, and it will be reunited with the body at the final Resurrection” (CCC 366).

So at the moment of death, the soul separates from the body, is judged immediately, and enters either heaven (immediately or through purgatory) or hell.

Each man receives his eternal retribution in his immortal soul at the very moment of his death, in a particular judgment that refers his life to Christ: either entrance into the blessedness of heaven—through a purification or immediately—or immediate and everlasting damnation. (CCC 1022)

(For scriptural evidence of this, see Luke 16:22; 23:43; 2 Cor. 5:8; Phil. 1:23.)

Every soul will unite with its resurrected body just prior to the Last Judgment (“Judgment Day”) when Christ returns:

In the presence of Christ, who is Truth itself, the truth of each man’s relationship with God will be laid bare. The Last Judgment will reveal even to its furthest consequences the good each person has done or failed to do during his earthly life . . .

The Last Judgment will come when Christ returns in glory. Only the Father knows the day and the hour; only he determines the moment of its coming. Then through his Son Jesus Christ he will pronounce the final word on all history. We shall know the ultimate meaning of the whole work of creation and of the entire economy of salvation and understand the marvelous ways by which his Providence led everything towards its final end. The Last Judgment will reveal that God’s justice triumphs over all the injustices committed by his creatures and that God’s love is stronger than death. (CCC 1039-1040)
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Do you have scriptural references for the emboldened text?

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174a said:
Do you have scriptural references for the emboldened text?

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(For scriptural evidence of this, see Luke 16:22; 23:43; 2 Cor. 5:8; Phil. 1:23.)

BTW: My NKJV Study Bible footnotes shares similar explanations.
 
Not all Protestants belong to named denominations. Homechurching is gaining in popularity due to many people not agreeing with how many churches are espousing “liberal” beliefs. Many Independent Fundamental Baptist churches hold the long hair and skirts view. Many Pentecostal churches do. This is true for a number of denominations, but there are those who do not subscribe to any particular denomination.
 
174a said:
I looked them up before posting. They do not say we are judged immediately after death. 🙂

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Actually it does. By all means, I am not a theologian,but merely present what the experts present. Here is the footnote from 2 Cor: 5:8 from my NKJV Study Bible and as I stated they use the same scriptural references as Catholics do:

St. Paul was pleased that he would be with the Lord after his death. This is one of the passages in the NT that indicates where believers will go immediately after their death;they wil be with Jesus in Heaven (see also Phil 1:23).
 
Nicea325 said:
Actually it does. By all means, I am not a theologian,but merely present what the experts present. Here is the footnote from 2 Cor: 5:8 from my NKJV Study Bible and as I stated they use the same scriptural references as Catholics do:

St. Paul was pleased that he would be with the Lord after his death. This is one of the passages in the NT that indicates where believers will go immediately after their death;they wil be with Jesus in Heaven (see also Phil 1:23).
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Yes I know we will be with the Lord when we die. This is what Jesus said to the repentant thief on the cross. “Today you will be with me in Paradise.”

That is not my question. I was asking about the timing of the judgement see below, and then you go on to talk about “The Last Judgment.” So are you saying we are judged when we die and we are judged again when Jesus comes?

“So at the moment of death, the soul separates from the body, is judged immediately, and enters either heaven (immediately or through purgatory) or hell.”

If someone enters Heaven from purgatory then they have not gone straight to Heaven have they.

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Added. I was asking for scriptures that say we are judged immediately after death.
 
174a said:
Added. I was asking for scriptures that say we are judged immediately after death.
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Allow me to politely say this. Catholics do not subscribe to solo scriptura, they and Orthodox do not require book, chapter, and verse for everything.
 
Back to the OP: the group in question is almost certainly the “Two-By-Twos” or “Cooneyites,” although there certainly are a number of radical Protestant groups who hold to some of the ideas/practices mentioned. Note in the Wikipedia article to which I linked the denial of a church name.

The one pair of “Two-By-Twos” I’ve talked to said that they didn’t deny the Trinity so much as reject non-Biblical language speaking of it. From what I understand, their founder did deny it outright, but they seem to have a very poor sense of history, claiming simply to be following the teachings of Jesus, so it’s hard to have a conversation with them even about their own history.

In many ways I admire them, because they really follow through on radical Protestant principles and live lives of great dedication. Not, of course, that I could ever join them:D…

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andrewstx said:
Then politely why do you insist on BCV from people who don’t acknowledge it? Are you just making trouble? 🤷
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My understanding is that the Roman Catholic Bible contains books not found in the King James version? So presumably scripture relating to our judgement and life after death are to be found in the larger Roman Catholic Bible with which I am not familiar and that is why I was asking for chapter and verse. Your help would be appreciated, thanks. 🙂

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174a said:
So where do you get your information from regarding the after life?

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From the Word of God (Jesus, not just the Bible.)

I suspect this is a question about Purgatory but please let me know what specifically you are answered?
 
Cat_Herder said:
From the Word of God (Jesus, not just the Bible.)

I suspect this is a question about Purgatory but please let me know what specifically you are answered?
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It began with someone saying we were judged immediately after death and I simply asked for the scriptures. That is all it is and I have no desire to get into a big debate, but so far my simple question has not been answered.

Thank you.

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Guys you are seriously derailing this.

Anyways, I always thought the idea of “non-denominational” was funny. It’s like pointing to a section of a pie chart and saying “And this part, is not a category.” Really it’s just a less rational way of saying “other”.
 
Equites_Christi said:
Guys you are seriously derailing this.

Anyways, I always thought the idea of “non-denominational” was funny. It’s like pointing to a section of a pie chart and saying “And this part, is not a category.” Really it’s just a less rational way of saying “other”.
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That is what a pie chart does, it creates divisions. 😦

I would prefer for there not to be any divisions, i.e. no denominations. These are created by men and are bad news especially if they depart from the teaching of Jesus to include the teaching of men for then they become error laden.

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174a said:
It began with someone saying we were judged immediately after death and I simply asked for the scriptures. That is all it is and I have no desire to get into a big debate, but so far my simple question has not been answered.

Thank you.
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Oh, OK. Here you go.

[BIBLEDRB]Hebrews 9:27[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Lk 23:43[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Lk 16:19-31[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Phil 1:23[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]2 Corinthians 12:3-4[/BIBLEDRB]
 
I see in the rules we are not supposed to quote lengthy posts so forgive me if I do not use the quote facility, but we can refer back.

Just to say that none of the scriptures you posted give a time scale, they certainly do not say we shall be judged immediately after death.

The only verse, and it is from Jesus, is when he says to the repentant thief, “Amen I say to thee, this day thou shalt be with me in paradise.” A moments thought will tell you that both men that day were in the grave. The Greek word paradise means a park and the sepulchre where Jesus was placed may well be considered to be a park.

G3857 παράδεισος paradeisos (par-ad’-ei-sos) n.
  1. a park
  2. (specially), an Eden (place of future happiness, “paradise”)
I do not for one moment think that Heaven is the grave, but paradise for Jesus and the thief at that moment in time was. However paradise does mean a place of future happiness, but even so the verse does not answer the question which was “Where does the Bible say we are judged immediately after death?”

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