a Christian, non catholic song against religion

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A song I hear sometimes on the christian radio station. a line says " a place where religion finally dies " Can a noncatholic christian please explain. I always thought our struggle was against sin and evil, not religion. Please help me to understand why this song has seemed to make religion the problem. Clearly, I have a bigger issue with Sin and Satan, but I guess the artist of this song hasn’t faced that problem.
 
God means “this” to me, and “this” alone I’ll follow.

Moral confusion and moral superiority.

Thousands of denominations where everyone is their own pope. Thousands of denominations out to prove their superiority over each other and in particular, the Catholic Church.

I’m surprised this attitude has taken so long to surface.
 
traillius said:
A song I hear sometimes on the christian radio station. a line says " a place where religion finally dies " Can a noncatholic christian please explain. I always thought our struggle was against sin and evil, not religion. Please help me to understand why this song has seemed to make religion the problem. Clearly, I have a bigger issue with Sin and Satan, but I guess the artist of this song hasn’t faced that problem.
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Often in other denominations, religion is seen as a term that is distasteful. Not lead by the Holy Spirit. It really is a lack of understanding. They think that anyone, especially in “mainline denominations”…esp. ours is too full of rules to be free flowing and spirit led. Often they think of themselves as just “Christian” without all the things that divide us, but the things that we are similar on…it’s not all together true, but it’s what is often in the non denominational mindset.
 
Its Big Daddy Weave, Fields of Grace.

The lyric after your highlighted portion describes that place without “religion” as dancing with my Father God in fields of grace.
 
Barbkw said:
God means “this” to me, and “this” alone I’ll follow.

Moral confusion and moral superiority.

Thousands of denominations where everyone is their own pope. Thousands of denominations out to prove their superiority over each other and in particular, the Catholic Church.

I’m surprised this attitude has taken so long to surface.
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Please, I’ve looked for it, where did you find this in, oh, the Book of Concord maybe?

Jon
 
traillius said:
A song I hear sometimes on the christian radio station. a line says " a place where religion finally dies " Can a noncatholic christian please explain. I always thought our struggle was against sin and evil, not religion. Please help me to understand why this song has seemed to make religion the problem. Clearly, I have a bigger issue with Sin and Satan, but I guess the artist of this song hasn’t faced that problem.
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Sorry, I can’t explain it. I’ve never heard it before, since I’d much rather listen to EWTN than these kinds of radio stations.

Jon
 
*Father God

I’ve heard this “title” before - where does it derive from? Please explain. Thanks.*
 
4Squarebaby said:
Its Big Daddy Weave, Fields of Grace.

The lyric after your highlighted portion describes that place without “religion” as dancing with my Father God in fields of grace.
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So, what, you can only share his grace out of religion? Not me, but thanks. I find grace in religion and pretty much in everything else.
 
Well, if you want to take the idea a bit further, it might be that they mean there will be a relationship with God rather like the one we see with Adam and Eve in the Garden - so we wouldn’t need sacraments, or priests, or things to help remind us of God. We’d be able to talk with him while we were walking in the evening together.

But it probably isn’t meant to be a really deep analysis or anything.
 
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So, what, you can only share his grace out of religion? Not me, but thanks. I find grace in religion and pretty much in everything else.
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Interesting way to listen to a song. Take one line and don’t even listen to the lyric before of after. Its similar to taking one sentence out of say The Bible and basing your opinion on it.
 
No closer relationship is possible than the one espoused in the eucharist.
 
Bluegoat said:
Well, if you want to take the idea a bit further, it might be that they mean there will be a relationship with God rather like the one we see with Adam and Eve in the Garden - so we wouldn’t need sacraments, or priests, or things to help remind us of God.
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Right on.

Also, OP: consider the Pharisees, Hari Krishna, the Muslims, and the Hindus—they all have lotsa religion, but to no avail.
 
Mikeoffaith said:
Really Jon? EWTN?
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Oh, yeah, Mike. When I had Sirius Radio, I used to listen to it in the mornings - wonderful devotional programs. Some of their “drive time” programs are good, too. And the “language” sounds much more like us than Evangelical Christian stations.

Jon
 
JonNC said:
Oh, yeah, Mike. When I had Sirius Radio, I used to listen to it in the mornings - wonderful devotional programs. Some of their “drive time” programs are good, too. And the “language” sounds much more like us than Evangelical Christian stations.

Jon
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Jon,

Just admit it your a closet catholic. :eek:😃
 
it has been a while since I heard this song played but my recollection of the entire lyric is not the message OP seemed to hear based on one phrase (quoted inaccurately and out of context).

It does not seem to play fair to criticize the song, the artist, and the radio station with the rather harsh characterizations voiced here on that basis.

would it not be more helpful, and less polemical esp. on this particular forum, to look up the entire lyric for the song, with its author, quote it or link it here, and discuss the message in the entire song? would it not further be of use in such a discussion to recall that a song on any mass market station is first and foremost a popular song and reflects the personal POV of its writer, not necessarily the editorial comment of the DJ who plays it, the artist who performs it, or the management of the station who plays it? in other words, lighten up

if the artist and author are not duly appointed representatives, pastors or authorities of their religious denomination, is it not even more unfair to castigate the teachings of that denomination, or all non-Catholics, based on one phrase from one song?
 
My intent was solely clarification of the specific issue Im nentioned, to help eliminate my confusion If any other motivation was understood, then I am sorry for the misunderstanding. Its not just the phrase from the song I quoted. I hear a lot about it ‘not being about religion’ and even once that ‘religion sends you to hell.’ To me, sin is the only thing that can send one to hell, if its not repented and fogiven. And no I don’t think everything associated with the artist, or the associated groups ( radio, production studio, etc… ) is automatically flawed. I just wanted to examine what seems to be a prevalent view among some that religion in and of itself is automatically either ‘bad,’ insufficient, irrelevent, or distracting. Catholicism is both a religion and a relationship, in my view. Its a relationship not just with the trinity ( Jesus=the Father=The Holy Spirit, for purposes of the connection with mortals.), but also with the entire family of God. Literally, Mary (and Joseph) but also all other members of the church universal, saints living and dead, named or unnamed.
 
traillius said:
My intent was solely clarification of the specific issue Im nentioned, to help eliminate my confusion If any other motivation was understood, then I am sorry for the misunderstanding. Its not just the phrase from the song I quoted. I hear a lot about it ‘not being about religion’ and even once that ‘religion sends you to hell.’ To me, sin is the only thing that can send one to hell, if its not repented and fogiven. And no I don’t think everything associated with the artist, or the associated groups ( radio, production studio, etc… ) is automatically flawed. I just wanted to examine what seems to be a prevalent view among some that religion in and of itself is automatically either ‘bad,’ insufficient, irrelevent, or distracting. Catholicism is both a religion and a relationship, in my view. Its a relationship not just with the trinity ( Jesus=the Father=The Holy Spirit, for purposes of the connection with mortals.), but also with the entire family of God. Literally, Mary (and Joseph) but also all other members of the church universal, saints living and dead, named or unnamed.
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traillius,
I appreciate your clarification here. And in many ways, I agree with your post regarding those who want to minimize the role of the Church. I also agree with your assessment of the importance of the Church Universal to the individual Christian.
EDIT: Just a note that All Saints Day is one of those very important days for me, as it reminds me of that special connection I have to the communion of saints.
Jon
 
Well, I don’t know the context, or what song the OP is referring to…
But when I read the OP, I think of all the denominations of Christianity foolishly quarreling with one another, and, because of this, ignoring what our faith teaches.

As one sees so often on these forums.

Let’s face it, the number #1 thing wrong with our religion are it’s hypocritical followers, who ignore what the bible actually says, pick and choose passages to fit their needs, and ignore what Christ would actually want. 🤷

But, like I said, I don’t know any lyrics in context, or the song being referred to…
I’m just throwing my two cents out there.
 
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