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ScottishColleen
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Is it not possible that “we” includes them and their wives as the two are considered one? The other verses would back that.
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BrianH
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2ndGen
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Well, I try to not expand on what is said in The Bible to meet what I would like to believe (not saying that you are doing this, just saying why I try to take things in The Bible at face value unless there is an unignorable reference to scripture elsewhere that would justify my doing so).
Jesus made it clear that a Church “leader” had to leave behind wife and family and possessions to serve him.
What happened with Paul, I saw Paul defending his right to be taken care of as a servant of The Church.
When I hear contradicting verses in Scripture, I always choose what Christ says above Peter’s or Paul’s words and stick to the words attributed to Jesus first. If I am confused, that is my lacking, so I curl up to Jesus’ words.
Marriage was allowed in The Church for hundreds of years during the evolution Christianity. But The Church deemed it best that those who God chose to be religious leaders be like Christ and like what Christ requested, that they leave behind all worldly things and abandon themselves to serve Him.
I reacall a conversation between a Pastor and Priest. The Pastor asked the Priest how he could give up having a wife and children and a family to be a Priest. The Priest replied that he is married into The Bride of Christ by acting in “persona Christi” (in The Person of Christ), instead of having 1 or 2 or 12 kids, he becomes a father to hundreds or thousands and his family is now 1.3 Billion strong.
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paidion
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Agreed. I don’t see any reason why a husband and wife couldn’t work together. Didn’t Priscilla and Aquilla work together?
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2ndGen
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BrianH
freerepublic.com/focus/religion/767812/posts
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jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/deadsea.html
Here you’ll find the quotes.
freerepublic.com/focus/religion/767812/posts
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“Qumran has yielded copies of the Septuagint in Greek.”You are completely incorrect. The DSS do not contain copies of the LXX. That is wrong. There were over 800 texts found in the caves but the Septugaint??
Do not make things up…please.The vast majority of the scripture is in Hebrew of course, almost none of it, 10 percent of so are in Greek.
jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/deadsea.html
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2ndGen
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So did Jim Baker and Tammy Fae.
But what about Jesus’ wife?
Oh, He didn’t have any.
“Except” The Church itself.
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BrianH
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The quote is completely wrong. No one, well you apparently, argues tht the LXX was found in the DSS in any form of a completed form.
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There are OBVIOUSLY fragments of texts that would become the LXX but the LXX itself, of course not.
It is not a wise idea to form your historical views on one sentence in a website.
Catholic encyclopedia
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ScottishColleen
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And yet the requirements for a minister is that he be the husband of one wife and have his house in order.
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2ndGen
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2ndGen
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Again, those requisites were set by others than Christ.
Consider how many wives Jesus had? 1…The Church.
Soon, all Christian Priests too would only have “one” wife. The Church.
There are many things that they did back in the NT that we don’t do today.
Does your Church celebrate Passover? The Apostles did.
Yet they were Christians.
The Church is what supports what The Truth is, not The Bible and if you think that it’s a book, then that same book states that The Church is “the pillar” of truth.
Jesus knew that books could be altered so He told us to not place our trust in material things, but The Church is a living institution in which The Holy Spirit dwells.
If The Church says “not wives for Priests”, then so be it. It was The Church that God chose to reveal The Holy Bible to, so I’ll follow The Church on everything else even over a book.
The Word of God is not on stone, but in our hearts.
I have no problem with Jesus teachings on celibacy for those who were chosen to lead other Christians (after all, Jesus was a practicing celibate Himself):
Matthew 19:
10. His disciples said to him, “If there is such commitment between husband and wife, we should not get married.”
- He told them, however, "This manifestation does not go down well for everyone, except for the ones that it applies.
and there are celibates who became celibate from humanity,
and there are celibates who became celibate of their own free will, for the sake of the Kingdom of heaven.
Whoever can do without it, let them be without it.”
Here, Jesus speaks on the various types of persons who should’nt and cannot have sex with the various reasons, homosexuals, hermaphodites, persons born deformed, persons who choose to be celibate to serve God, etc…
As for me, the more my religious leader reflects Christ not only in his words, but in his sacrifices and in his deeds, the more comfortable I am with that person being a leader chosen by God.
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ScottishColleen
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Talk about stretching!
and yes, I’ve been in churches that celebrated Passover.
and yes, I’ve been in churches that celebrated Passover.
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2ndGen
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Wow. First time I’ve heard Jesus’ words described as stretching.
I just posted what Jesus said.
It’s true what Jesus said about you.
That manifestation does not go well for you because you are not called to celibacy to serve Him, but for those who are called to be celibate to serve Him, it’s easy.
I think you misunderstood my question…let me ask it differently…Do you personally celebrate Passover with your current church?
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BrianH
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The LXX was not found at the DSS. Copies of certain books found in the LXX were found in Greek and are close enough to the LXX to form an educated judgement they would become the versions we find later.
Do we agree or not?
Do we agree or not?
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2ndGen
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All the books “in” The LXX were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls. All of them. Not one was missing. That means it was found in it’s entirety (all the books comprising the canon of The LXX).
They were closer to the LXX than any other version which proves that they were written based on the LXX (which existed a 2-300 years “before” Jesus).
Even Jesus quoting from them proves that they were used by Him and Jesus (being a Pharisee Priest) used them when He was taught.
Sorry, I cannot agree with you.
If you’re trying to imply that The Septugaint wasn’t found at Qumran because there was not complete set of texts, I cannot agree to that.
If you took a Stephen King novel, tore it apart into chapters and spread them throughout a building that were discovered a thousand years later, would the fact that the chapters were separated be justifiable for you to suggest that Stephen King’s novel “was not” found in that building?
Ultimately, it is what it is…The Septugaint (whether all in one cave or scroll or in one manuscript) was found among The Dead Sea Scrolls. In. It’s. Entirery. Every book.
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Sword_Brethren
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:nope:
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ralphinal
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We must study this some. I think that the actual quote is that he be a man of ONLY one wife. In other words, it is not a requirement but a limitation on the maximum nember of times that he may have been married. It is 1 Tim 3:2. As with all scriptures, it was not written as a three second sound bite. We must look at other related verses. Jesus taught that those who are “unichs for the kingdom” are blessed (matt 19:12). Paul, the author of the verse in question, also was celibate and recommended it for others (1 Cor 7:8 and 7:32-35). This shows coherence with the Catholic and early Church teaching.
Yes, Peter was married, but I do not think that any of the others were. Also note that he was married BEFORE he was called. No one married after they were called.
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ScottishColleen
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We celebrate in the form of the Lord’s Supper (Communion).
No, you were stretching by doing exactly what most of us accuse the baptists of doing…taking one verse here or there and trying to make it mean what you want…instead of taking it in light of the rest of Scripture. Scripture does not contradict itself.
No, you were stretching by doing exactly what most of us accuse the baptists of doing…taking one verse here or there and trying to make it mean what you want…instead of taking it in light of the rest of Scripture. Scripture does not contradict itself.
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ralphinal
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Colleen,
Who is the last part directed to?
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