From Protestantman: I do not make that claim. I only claim that my authority is equal to yours. I would never claim that I have greater authority than any other member of the body of Christ.
This is not how your statements have come across. You see the Catholic Church as an institution of man. Catholics see it as an insitution of Christ. We disagree.
From Protestantman: No, I am not making that judgement at all. If you look at the context of that statement you would understand, that I was stating that it is impossible for a bad tree to produce Good fruit.
Please do not twist my words.
I prefaced my remarks by saying I didn’t get your point. Are you implying that the Church is a bad tree?
From Protestantman: Fallible is meaning that you are living in the Spirit, but still capable of sin. Sinfull is meaning that you are living in sin, and thus incapable of anything of the Spirit.
So it is just an instance of people using words whereby the other person’s meaning was not understood. I believe it was quanophore with whom you were discussing. For the record, we don’t make that distinction because it implies judgment of their interior state, knowledge and consent and judgment of the grievousness of the offense against God. We leave that judgment to God.
From Protestantman: No, you accept that His Vicar is inspired by the Holy Spirit because of the Catholic Churches understanding of scripture.
Agree
From Protestantman: You say that you believe it because the Church teaches it. This implies that your faith in Christ is only through you faith in the Church.
You do not understand us very well. This is our fault as well as yours. We believe it because we believe that Christ created the Church, guides it, and gave it to us so we may know the “sure and normal” path to salvation.
From Protestantman: If this implication is true, then you put your faith in the Church first, and in Christ second.
It is categorically false. Please see above.
From Protestantman: Understand that I am not doubting your faith in Christ, nor am I judging you. Please do not think of my statements that way. I am merely testing your beliefs to see if they stand up to the scriptures.
I’ve told you all this because I believe Christ when He ordained the Chair of Peter, when He said He would be with us always, Pentecost, and when He said it was the Pillar and Bulwark of Truth against which the Gates of Hell will not prevail. This is my faith. And I believe it stands up quite well against Scripture.
From Protestantman: The Body of Christ*** IS ***its members. I do not project anything of the sort. Any authority I have comes from Christ. I do hope that people see his nature in me, but not of my own doing but through the grace of God.
I guess we are just reacting to an appearance of a claim to Authority that we believe you don’t have.
From Protestantman: It seems that you are begining to personally attack me. Is this true?
I’m just rebuking you as you requested.
From Protestantman: Your responses are full of resentment. I would ask that you would take a break from posting before you say something out of anger. I have much love for you, and I am greatfull for your responses. I do not wish to see either one of us begin to respond in anger. If you see me making the same mistake, than I wish you would also rebuke me.
I have no resentment toward you as a person. I also have no resentment toward what you say.
But just keep in mind one thing. My life is a gift from God for whom I’m grateful for everything. Out of His love Jesus Christ came for me. In gratitude, worship and praise, I will defend Jesus Christ to my very end. Because I see no distinction between His Church, His Eucharist, and His very Divinity, I can not be meek in my defense. Don’t take it personal.
