A couple of questions for Mormons....

[followingtheway]

I’M NOT SAYING you believe any of this, these are JUST questions. NOT accusations. Okay just needed to clarify but anyway…

But I need to ask a few questions

1. 
   *]Do you believe God was once a man before He was God?
   *]Do you believe that someone can become a God and have their own planet?
   *]Do you believe God has multiple wives?
   *]Did Jesus have multiple wives?
   *]Do you believe in baptism for the dead? Can the dead escape Hell? Is there a Hell?
   *]Magic underwear, is it true? Does it work?

 

[Nelka]

1. 
   *]Do you believe God was once a man before He was God?
   *]Do you believe that someone can become a God and have their own planet?
   *]Do you believe God has multiple wives?
   *]Did Jesus have multiple wives?
   *]Do you believe in baptism for the dead? Can the dead escape Hell? Is there a Hell?
   *]Magic underwear, is it true? Does it work?

1. 
   Is that what Mormons believe?
   
   I’ve never met one before.

 

[Jesus_123]

+This is a Catholic Answers Forum . . . I posted this on another thread . . . thought it might help here . . .

• … I was raised as a child in the heart of “Mormon” country here in the United States … Though I knew many Mormons as friends in school and our neighborhood . . . their belief system is known to Catholics and Protestants alike essentially as a CULT . . . and it is an immensely large one . . . and their understandings, definitions and usage of the same religious and scriptural words are RADICALLY different . . .

Definition:
Cult - A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.

thefreedictionary.com/cult

1. 
   *]Mormons do not believe in the Trinity . . . God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit
   *]Mormon’s do not believe that Jesus is God . . . as well as not believing that He is God Incarnate . . .
   *]When Mormon’s use the word “Christian” it does not relate in any way to ***Jesus Christ known as God Incarnate - Second Person of our Triune God . . . *** that Catholics and Protestant Christians mean when they use the same term . . .
   *]When they use the word “church” . . . they are not referring to the "Bride-of-Christ/Body-of-Christ (God-Incarnate/God-the-Son)
   
   And the above items are just a few of the many major radical differences between the Mormon cult and Christian Catholic and Protestant beliefs … use of words familiar to Catholics and Protestants . . . have radically different meanings based on Mormon doctrinal interpretation . . . below is a portion of an article that contrasts some of these beliefs . . .
   

   The Mormon Jesus – A Theological Debate

   … When answering the charge of whether the Mormons worship a different Jesus than the other Christian denominations, the former head of the Mormon church, Gordon B. Hinckley, stated that THEY DID [worship a different Jesus], but remained firm that he and every other member of the religion he represented were Christians.

   Theologians point to this doctrine to show that the Mormons worship a different Jesus.
   Mormons do not believe in the Trinity.
   The Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost are believed to be separate personages.
   This is the area where the “Mormon Jesus” differs.
   The Mormons believe that Jesus is a being with his own body, rather than believing that Jesus is God come to Earth in Human form.

   The Mormon View of Jesus and Its Effect on Other Religions

   … Roman Catholics, for example, do not recognize an LDS [MORMON] baptism as valid.

   Resources: “A Mormon Moment.” Kenneth L. Woodward. Newsweek. September 10, 2001.

   mormonism.suite101.com/articl…xzz0HPjjolWf&A

   "Beloved, believe not every spirit,
   but try the spirits whether they are of God:
   because many false prophets
   are gone out into the world."
   John 4:1
   :bible1:
   
   The Mormon’s concept of God and interpretation of Sacred Scripture is radically different from the Catholic/Protestant Christian’s God and Scripture interpretation . . . even their use of the word Christian has a radically different base and meaning than Catholic/Protestant Christian meaning . . .
   
   Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord. …
   Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart,
   and with thy whole soul,
   and with thy whole strength."
   Deuteronomy 6:4-5
   :bible1:
   *Careful folks . . . God bless . . . *
   PRAYER TO
   **SAINT MICHAEL
   THE ARCHANGEL **
   
   St. Michael the Archangel,
   defend us in battle.
   Be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the Devil.
   May God rebuke him, we humbly pray,
   and do thou,
   O Prince of the heavenly hosts,
   by the power of God,
   thrust into hell Satan,
   and all the evil spirits,
   who prowl about the world
   seeking the ruin of souls.
   Amen.
   
   
   . . . all for Jesus+
   . . . Precious Blood Of Jesus
   . . . in all Its Ancient Power
   . . . cover all who have been in contact
   with this CAF thread+
   ​

 

[Mormon_Cultist]

I’M NOT SAYING you believe any of this, these are JUST questions. NOT accusations. Okay just needed to clarify but anyway…

But I need to ask a few questions

1. 
   *]Do you believe God was once a man before He was God?
   *]Do you believe that someone can become a God and have their own planet?
   *]Do you believe God has multiple wives?
   *]Did Jesus have multiple wives?
   *]Do you believe in baptism for the dead? Can the dead escape Hell? Is there a Hell?
   *]Magic underwear, is it true? Does it work?

1. 1. We believe that God underwent a mortal existence during which He would have been subject to temptation just as we are.
   2. We believe that in the eternities we an have the opportunity to continue to have spirit children (eternal increase). These children will ultimately need the opportunity to attain physical bodies , just as we are doing right now.
   3. No idea.
   4. No idea. I do personally believe it is likely He did marry.
   5. Yes: those who did not receive saving ordinances during their time on earth will have these performed for them by proxy in a temple. Escape hell? Once you’re there that’s it.
   6. Magic? What is it you’re suggesting it might do?

 

[Joseph_LaMothe]

I’M NOT SAYING you believe any of this, these are JUST questions. NOT accusations. Okay just needed to clarify but anyway…

But I need to ask a few questions

1. 
   *]Do you believe God was once a man before He was God?
   *]Do you believe that someone can become a God and have their own planet?
   *]Do you believe God has multiple wives?
   *]Did Jesus have multiple wives?
   *]Do you believe in baptism for the dead? Can the dead escape Hell? Is there a Hell?
   *]Magic underwear, is it true? Does it work?

1. 
   The answers form the Mormon who posted are, not surprisingly, quite accurate. However, what must be understood is two things: one Mormons have as much division on teaching as Christian denominations do. Teachings vary.
   
   Joseph Smith first re-wrote the Bible, claiming Divine Inspiration of the original text to be “Modulaistic”. This means that their is only one God (no trinity) and we have different terms for this one God. He removed ANYTHING having to do with a plurality of Gods. By the time he gave his last sermon before his death he taught that our God was once a man from another planet (Kobel) who was raised the Godhead and had many spirit children two of them, Jesus and Lucifer, had a falling out. The spirit child Jesus became man as did we, but Jesus was elevated. This is called Cosmic Henotheism, the belief that that there many many gods thought the universe and we worship as first one of them. The goal is to become like God the Father and get your own planet to fill with spirit children that will become enfleshed.
   
   After his death different idea where put forward to answer some of the problems and inconsistencies. Some of the “apostles” (Mormon apostles not the original 12 obviously) advanced the Adam-as-God theory and others a materials-God-particle idea. Presently there is no official answer on who or what is the First God.
   
   So:
   Yes
   Yes
   Sort of (Spiritual wives)
   In life maybe in death yes sort of (see above)
   They baptize the dead
   Sort of, its a rude way of talking about temple garments. Like calling Catholics cannibals.

 

[Barbkw]

1. We believe that God underwent a mortal existence during which He would have been subject to temptation just as we are.

Why do Mormons believe this? IE who said this is true?

1. We believe that in the eternities we an have the opportunity to continue to have spirit children (eternal increase). These children will ultimately need the opportunity to attain physical bodies , just as we are doing right now.

**Why do Mormons believe this? ** Jesus said in Heaven there will be no marrying. If there’s no marriage, it follows that their will be no “spirit children” to be raised.

 

[TexanKnight]

I was LDS. I served a Mission. I served in the Bishopric and the Elder’s Quorum Presidency. I have attended temple ceremonies at several temples. I can answer the questions:

Do you believe God was once a man before He was God?

Yes. The believe God the Father was once just as we are now: sinful beings.

Do you believe that someone can become a God and have their own planet?

Yes. The believe they will become Gods. There is some debate on the planet thing. I was taught we could have our own planets, but have not seen it in writing.

Do you believe God has multiple wives?

Yes. They believe that. And they believe they will have multiple wives in heaven

Did Jesus have multiple wives?

Yes, they believe that. And one of them was Mary Magdela

Do you believe in baptism for the dead?

Yes, they do. And they will do it whether the families of the dead want it or not.

Can the dead escape Hell? Is there a Hell?

They believe in three levels of heaven. they believe in hell

Magic underwear, is it true?

they are called garments. They are very ugly underwear with symbols on certain parts on them.

Does it work?

No. But they will tell stories of the garments stopping bullets, etc. All legend, no fact

 

[Mormon_Cultist]

The answers form the Mormon who posted are, not surprisingly, quite accurate.

Thank you
To be fair: I ought to know, don’t you think? Lol.

Joseph Smith first re-wrote the Bible

No, he did not.
After completing his translation of the Book of Mormon, he felt prompted while reading various passages in the bible, that while the general translation was fairly accurate, some passages had been corrupted, misinterpreted; or in one way or another could be better clarified to the original meanings of the authors. After all: these words were written by direct inspiration and revelation from God, so their true meanings can of course be restored by Him also.

he taught that our God was once a man from another planet (Kobel)

Kolob you mean?
Kolob is a star and a part of this creation, God mentions that it is near to Him.
Whatever world and creation God attained His physical body in was a different creation entirely, Kolob is part of God’s creation that we are a part of.

Jesus and Lucifer, had a falling out.

It was not a falling out between the brothers.
God had proposed a way that we would be able to gain experience and to learn and grow to attain physical bodies as He has. All of us, naturally, wanted to do this and return back to Him as one big family again. The proposal was that we should come to earth, live our lives, and based upon our actions while here we could prove ourselves capable of living the required law to be able to dwell in His presence continually (after all, no unclean using can enter into heaven). Satan stepped up and offered a plan whereby every one of us would be guaranteed to return, and it would be easy as we would not have any choices laid before us; Satan wanted the glory for the success of his plan for himself, to be exalted and worshipped. Jesus came forward also, His plan was that we should all be able to choose; that way we could learn and grow. While it did not guarantee everyone would be gathered safely home, it would mean we had gained experience and shown that our decisions were in line with doing God’s will.
Clearly Satan’s plan made little sense, given that we all had the ability to choose already; and the idea of being able to do only one thing not through coercion or by force, but simply because no other road was open or even conceivable is extremely difficult to even imagine. Jesus’ plan was therefore selected, and Satan became the very thing he had proposed to avoid: that temptation to do evil. Annoyed at his rejection (like Cain would afterwards) he started a war in heaven, the debate raged and ultimately the hosts of heaven were divided into two factions behind Jesus and Satan. One third of all of God’s spirit children (our brothers and sisters) were deceived by the cunning craftiness of Satan’s words and ultimately were cast out of heaven altogether, to roam the earth for all time (note time, not eternity)

The spirit child Jesus became man as did we, but Jesus was elevated.

Elevated?
Jesus Christ is the son of God, attaining attributes of both mortal and deity. Thus He was able to lay down His life entirely by choice: nothing could take it from Him.

This is called Cosmic Henotheism, the belief that that there many many gods thought the universe and we worship as first one of them.

Not sure what the point if ‘cosmic’ is here. But Henotheism is a reasonable term to use.

The goal is to become like God the Father and get your own planet to fill with spirit children that will become enfleshed.

The goal is to do the will of God and return to live with Him again.

Sort of (Spiritual wives)

Really? Find me doctrine.
Some members suggest this, but it’s entirely their own surmising.

They baptize the dead

No, we baptise by proxy on behalf of those who are dead. You believe just as we do that proper baptism, by correct authority is essential to be saved. What happens otherwise to those who never have the opportunity to be baptised?

Sort of, its a rude way of talking about temple garments. Like calling Catholics cannibals.

Thank you: very understanding of you.

 

[followingtheway]

Sort of, its a rude way of talking about temple garments. Like calling Catholics cannibals.

Thank you: very understanding of you.

My apologies. :sad_yes:

 

[Mormon_Cultist]

My apologies. :sad_yes:

Don’t worry: I did once make the Eucharist/Cannibalisation comment myself (not here) unaware just how offensively it would be taken. Needless to say I also apologised unreservedly also. :blush:

 

[Barbkw]

The non-Catholic program “John Ankerberg” discussed Mormonism this weekend:

lightsource.com/ministry/ankerberg-show/what-do-mormons-believe-about-god-251946.html

 

[Barbkw]

Former Mormon and LDS converts to Catholicism who have been on the Catholic EWTN network program “The Journey Home” with Marcus Grodi:

google.com/search?q=ewtn+journey+home+lds&rlz=1I7ADBR_en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7

 

[RebeccaJ]

No, he did not.

Yes he did.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith_Translation_of_the_Bible

 

[CourtAdvocate]

I’M NOT SAYING you believe any of this, these are JUST questions. NOT accusations. Okay just needed to clarify but anyway…

But I need to ask a few questions

1. 
   *]Do you believe God was once a man before He was God?
   *]Do you believe that someone can become a God and have their own planet?
   *]Do you believe God has multiple wives?
   *]Did Jesus have multiple wives?
   *]Do you believe in baptism for the dead? Can the dead escape Hell? Is there a Hell?
   *]Magic underwear, is it true? Does it work?

1. 1. The false folklore (God once being a man) so my answer is no
      2)All of us seek salvation if found righteous on judgment day so my answer is no
      3)No
      4)No
      5)Yes to baptism for the dead The notion that we perform baptism for the dead so they could escape hell is false. God will judge who is righteous and who has not been righteous on judgment day. Yes to hell.
      6)The sacred garments I wear, nothing magical about them or this false folklore that continues to exist.

 

[TexanKnight]

1. The false folklore (God once being a man) so my answer is no

WRONG! I have posted where Joseph AND Brigham Young taught that. I suggest you learn your LDS History.

2)All of us seek salvation if found righteous on judgment day so my answer is no

Again, learn your history. It HAS been taught, though I have not seen doctrine, that you get your own planet and populate it.

3)No

Are you sure you are LDS? It absolutely has been taught that God has several wives

4)No

Again, it has been taught the Jesus had several wives, the first being Mary Magdelene

5)Yes to baptism for the dead The notion that we perform baptism for the dead so they could escape hell is false. God will judge who is righteous and who has not been righteous on judgment day. Yes to hell.

6)The sacred garments I wear, nothing magical about them or this false folklore that continues to exist.

The symbols on them are for what, then? And why did you have to make temple oaths to allow yourself to be killed if you talked about them?

 

[CourtAdvocate]

TexanKnight:
I am quite familiar with LDS history — apparently I did not give the folklore answers that most outside of the church just expect people like me would give.

My answers are based on my experience of 25 years and what the Holy Ghost has confirmed to me.

 

[RebeccaJ]

I am quite familiar with LDS history — apparently I did not give the folklore answers that most outside of the church just expect people like me would give.

My answers are based on my experience of 25 years and what the Holy Ghost has confirmed to me.

Folklore or prophecy, who can tell the difference?

 

[TexanKnight]

I am quite familiar with LDS history — apparently I did not give the folklore answers that most outside of the church just expect people like me would give.

My answers are based on my experience of 25 years and what the Holy Ghost has confirmed to me.

It does not appear you are familiar at all based on your responses. So please elaborate. What are we claiming that is false?

 

[Mormon_Cultist]

Yes he did.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith_Translation_of_the_Bible

I didn’t say he didn’t make a translation of parts of the Bible: it was claimed he did this first, which is untrue. After completion of The Book of Mormon while reading The Bible he felt prompted that there were clarifications, interpolations and such that we’re intended to be a part of these records, that could be restored by The Holy Spirit.

WRONG! I have posted where Joseph AND Brigham Young taught that. I suggest you learn your LDS History.

So?
Unless you can provide a link to where this was adopted as doctrine (became binding I believe would be the appropriate Catholic-speak), and is taught now (I.e. an lds.org link) then you have no basis for your argument on this point.

Not strictly true, but essentially, and there’s not much point being picky over it.
Our Gospel Principles manual states:
“1. They will live eternally in the presence of Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ (see D&C 76:62).
2. They will become gods (see D&C 132:20–23).
3. They will be united eternally with their righteous family members and will be able to have eternal increase.
4. They will receive a fulness of joy.
5. They will have everything that our Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ have—all power, glory, dominion, and knowledge (see D&C 132:19–20). President Joseph Fielding Smith wrote: “The Father has promised through the Son that all that he has shall be given to those who are obedient to His commandments. They shall increase in knowledge, wisdom, and power, going from grace to grace, until the fulness of the perfect day shall burst upon them” (Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Bruce R. McConkie, 3 vols. [1954–56], 2:36; italics in original).”

Nothing is mentioned about planets in the published doctrine, but it is inferred. Eternal Increase is understood to mean (in part at least) that we can continue to have children in the eternities to come (just as we believe we are literally offspring of God from eternities past); and as these will be spirits we will want to give them the same opportunity for a mortal life and to gain a physical body just as we are doing right now.

As with the first point, it may have been suggested, some members may believe this personally, but show me the published acceptance of this as doctrine as opposed to conjecture.

Personally I have never ever heard anyone suggest that Jesus had multiple wives.
As to Mary Magdelene: perhaps you’re confusing us with The Da Vinci Code? Lol.
No, I have heard that one from various LDS also; again, show me it published.

 

[TexanKnight]

I didn’t say he didn’t make a translation of parts of the Bible: it was claimed he did this first, which is untrue. After completion of The Book of Mormon while reading The Bible he felt prompted that there were clarifications, interpolations and such that we’re intended to be a part of these records, that could be restored by The Holy Spirit.

So?
Unless you can provide a link to where this was adopted as doctrine (became binding I believe would be the appropriate Catholic-speak), and is taught now (I.e. an lds.org link) then you have no basis for your argument on this point.

Not strictly true, but essentially, and there’s not much point being picky over it.
Our Gospel Principles manual states:
“1. They will live eternally in the presence of Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ (see D&C 76:62).
2. They will become gods (see D&C 132:20–23).
3. They will be united eternally with their righteous family members and will be able to have eternal increase.
4. They will receive a fulness of joy.
5. They will have everything that our Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ have—all power, glory, dominion, and knowledge (see D&C 132:19–20). President Joseph Fielding Smith wrote: “The Father has promised through the Son that all that he has shall be given to those who are obedient to His commandments. They shall increase in knowledge, wisdom, and power, going from grace to grace, until the fulness of the perfect day shall burst upon them” (Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Bruce R. McConkie, 3 vols. [1954–56], 2:36; italics in original).”

Nothing is mentioned about planets in the published doctrine, but it is inferred. Eternal Increase is understood to mean (in part at least) that we can continue to have children in the eternities to come (just as we believe we are literally offspring of God from eternities past); and as these will be spirits we will want to give them the same opportunity for a mortal life and to gain a physical body just as we are doing right now.

As with the first point, it may have been suggested, some members may believe this personally, but show me the published acceptance of this as doctrine as opposed to conjecture.

Personally I have never ever heard anyone suggest that Jesus had multiple wives.
As to Mary Magdelene: perhaps you’re confusing us with The Da Vinci Code? Lol.
No, I have heard that one from various LDS also; again, show me it published.

Please be a little more specific. Perhaps you could start s thread telling us specific doctrines that we have gotten wrong. That way, this thread is not derailed. Be aware, many of thre things we have posted we stated WERE TAUGHT. That does not mean there will be a link. The LDS are good at changing their doctrine and teachings and covering up the past. Even YOU admitted you had heard about Jesus having Mary Magdelene as a wife