A Course in Miracles

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Friend Mind Bender…I have a very simplistic view of “sacred writings”…if they do not inspire you to love others as yourself…have faith in the One who has all things in the Palm of His Hand…show mercy…love kindness…live compassionately…then they are of no worth to you…but if the ACIM calls you “beyond yourself” and causes each day to be a gift you can rejoice in…and each new day is an opportunity to live the life of God out before your peers…if it does these things…then it is a work of great value…if it does none of these things…it is worthless.
 
You didn’t answer my question Bender:

What in ACIM gave you what was “missing” in your life that the Catholic Church didn’t provide? Quotes from it would be greatly appreciated.

True faith CAN’T be contradicted. Though our perception (or interpretation) of God’s word can be. Truth is Truth.
That sounds like a co-out to not answer the question clearly. You’re using “perception” as an excuse to not see the false claims or to excuse them.
As far as original sin is concerned: the question is rather What was the original sin??
I’d trust The Catechism more than ACIM:
397 Man, tempted by the devil, let his trust in his Creator die in his heart and, abusing his freedom, disobeyed God’s command. This is what man’s first sin consisted of. All subsequent sin would be disobedience toward God and lack of trust in his goodness.
398** In that sin man preferred himself to God** and by that very act scorned him. He chose himself over and against God, against the requirements of his creaturely status and therefore against his own good. Constituted in a state of holiness, man was destined to be fully “divinized” by God in glory. Seduced by the devil, he wanted to “be like God”, but “without God, before God, and not in accordance with God”.
or was it our BELIEF that a loving Father God could go against His own nature, and condemn His son. If you reread Genises, you will notice that Eve, after disobeying, didn’t feel any repremand from God, it was only after she joined with another (Adam) in her disobedience that TOGETHER, they experienced SHAME. God didn’t even notice their nakedness and had to ask them Why they were acting so shamfully. In that one false presumption, they condemned themselves to the valley of death. In the valley of death there is diffinately Original Sin. In Heaven, there is none.
I’d urge you read the Catechism again.

God is also Justice, and He is fair, He indeed didn’t condemn man,** man condemned himself**. The fact that there was consequence for their action is just, unless you want to deny that actions have consequence.

I re-read Genesis and I don’t see how you conclude those things. Let’s take a look:
Gen 3:6-7So she took some of its fruit and ate it; and she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized that they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made loincloths for themselves.
They ate together, and both their eyes were opened at the same time.

“God didn’t notice their nakedness”? Hardly, the question is asked to have Adam implicitly confess his true reason for hiding (disobedience for eating the fruit).
Gen 3:10-11. He answered, “I heard you in the garden; but I was afraid, because I was naked, so I hid myself.”
Then he asked, “Who told you that you were naked? You have eaten, then, from the tree of which I had forbidden you to eat!

Heaven is not confined by the physical or time. According to the Bible, everything is finished and won. It is only in the valley of death that there is a physical element. Angles and spirits and pass right through our so called solid images. Have you ever woken feeling relieved to find your dream was not real. While you were dreaming it it certainly felt real. This life is no different. That is why the Bible says that in the end times this world will “roll up like a scroll”. What truelly solid thing could do that ?
God made matter, matter is GOOD. Jesus Himself had matter (He is fully man and fully divine) and did you forget that in His glorified body He was still physical and could eat? How about when He used mud to cure the blind man? All He needed was to say the word but deemed to use matter to make the healing take place. Even the Eucharist, the holiest thing on Earth is matter too, not some mere symbol or purely spiritual thing. Take and eat, right? 😉

Oh and there’s that bit about Jesus rising to Heaven and the teaching that Mary was bodily assumed into Heaven (as well as the implication of others like Elysha).

We were NOT made pure spirit, we’re not angels and never will be. We are body AND soul, and while our current bodies will die, in the resurrection they will be glorified and will no longer know death. We’ll continue to be as God ORIGINALLY made us, body and soul.
It is refering to your TRUE self. your eternal spirit. This can not be harmed by attack if aligned with Jesus, the Holy Spirit, his Church and our Father (God the creator).
You seem to imply that our true nature is spirit only. It’s true that the soul cannot be destroyed, but it can certainly suffer deeper than any cut can ever achieve.

I do grant that through God we can find peace but we can and WILL be hurt regardless. Even Jesus Himself suffered. Remember it’s when we join that suffering to His and give it all to Him that we can find our peace because He’s can bring great good from it. In sharing our suffering with Him, we show our love.

Remember His words:
Matthew 10:34
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword.”
10:38
and whoever does not take up his cross and follow after me is not worthy of me.

Taking up our cross means enduring the hardships we face with faith in Him. Suffering is inevitable, but with Him we can persevere. 👍
 
You didn’t answer my question Bender:

What in ACIM gave you what was “missing” in your life that the Catholic Church didn’t provide? Quotes from it would be greatly appreciated.

That sounds like a co-out to not answer the question clearly. You’re using “perception” as an excuse to not see the false claims or to excuse them.

I’d trust The Catechism more than ACIM:
397 Man, tempted by the devil, let his trust in his Creator die in his heart and, abusing his freedom, disobeyed God’s command. This is what man’s first sin consisted of. All subsequent sin would be disobedience toward God and lack of trust in his goodness.
398** In that sin man preferred himself to God** and by that very act scorned him. He chose himself over and against God, against the requirements of his creaturely status and therefore against his own good. Constituted in a state of holiness, man was destined to be fully “divinized” by God in glory. Seduced by the devil, he wanted to “be like God”, but “without God, before God, and not in accordance with God”.

I’d urge you read the Catechism again.

God is also Justice, and He is fair, He indeed didn’t condemn man,** man condemned himself**. The fact that there was consequence for their action is just, unless you want to deny that actions have consequence.

I re-read Genesis and I don’t see how you conclude those things. Let’s take a look:
Gen 3:6-7So she took some of its fruit and ate it; and she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized that they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made loincloths for themselves.”
They ate together, and both their eyes were opened at the same time.

“God didn’t notice their nakedness”? Hardly, the question is asked to have Adam implicitly confess his true reason for hiding (disobedience for eating the fruit).
Gen 3:10-11. He answered, “I heard you in the garden; but I was afraid, because I was naked, so I hid myself.”
Then he asked, "Who told you that you were naked? You have eaten, then, from the tree of which I had forbidden you to eat!
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God made matter, matter is GOOD. Jesus Himself had matter (He is fully man and fully divine) and did you forget that in His glorified body He was still physical and could eat? How about when He used mud to cure the blind man? All He needed was to say the word but deemed to use matter to make the healing take place. Even the Eucharist, the holiest thing on Earth is matter too, not some mere symbol or purely spiritual thing. Take and eat, right? 😉

Oh and there’s that bit about Jesus rising to Heaven and the teaching that Mary was bodily assumed into Heaven (as well as the implication of others like Elysha).

We were NOT made pure spirit, we’re not angels and never will be. We are body AND soul, and while our current bodies will die, in the resurrection they will be glorified and will no longer know death. We’ll continue to be as God ORIGINALLY made us, body and soul.

You seem to imply that our true nature is spirit only. It’s true that the soul cannot be destroyed, but it can certainly suffer deeper than any cut can ever achieve.

I do grant that through God we can find peace but we can and WILL be hurt regardless. Even Jesus Himself suffered. Remember it’s when we join that suffering to His and give it all to Him that we can find our peace because He’s can bring great good from it. In sharing our suffering with Him, we show our love.

Remember His words:
Matthew 10:34
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword.”
10:38
and whoever does not take up his cross and follow after me is not worthy of me.

Taking up our cross means enduring the hardships we face with faith in Him. Suffering is inevitable, but with Him we can persevere. 👍
Liraco, what you’re demonstrating to minder is that he is accepting the theology of acim (which has no authority from Christ) as the correct vehicle for interpreting Scripture, not the theology of Christ’s Church. He has accepted that as an alternate and better understanding of Scripture than Christ’s own Mind illuminating the Church and her faithful. He has blinded himself to the danger in which he has willingly placed himself.
 
He has blinded himself to the danger in which he has willingly placed himself.
Which is why I’ll continue to insist to plant the seeds of truth and pray the Holy Spirit enlightens him one day before it’s too late (like in the case of Sharon Lee Giganti who let bad things happen because she too was blind.)

We must not forget to pray for those who have been deceived. 🙂
 
Liraco, what you’re demonstrating to minder is that he is accepting the theology of acim (which has no authority from Christ) as the correct vehicle for interpreting Scripture, not the theology of Christ’s Church. He has accepted that as an alternate and better understanding of Scripture than Christ’s own Mind illuminating the Church and her faithful. He has blinded himself to the danger in which he has willingly placed himself.
 
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minder_bender:
I find it interesting that you (all of you it seems) presume that acim is a channelled (bad) spirit and not Jesus Christ as the spirit claims. What if you are wrong! What if this IS Jesus speaking directly to those who have closed their minds to organized religion? I have looked into what S.L Giganti says and what she believed prior to her conversion. She was indeed being led by the spirit of the world. This is not the same spirit I’ve experienced with acim. I will tell you Liraco, that I have found nothing missing in the catholic church because I believe God speaks constantly to those who are faithful. I have not strayed from Catholic teaching, rather, I am more curious as to why Christ said the things He did when on earth and how they relate to today and how the Church interprets what He said & did and how they relate today. I have not closed my mind to traditional interpretations but I also understand (the more I look) that politics, personal fervor, personal belief and traditions & beliefs of the time have played a greater part then what people would admit or like to think. Fear of discovering something that might be in conflict with the accepted Gospel has made many close their minds to contemporary Christ Thought. I know that Gods word is the same yesterday, today & tomorrow so if it seems in conflict, it is our interpretation that is in error. The pope released an offical statement to the press regarding the possible existance of aliens and how (if they exist) in no way disproves the existance of God or His Holy Word. It would be interesting if any of you think it does. No Liraco, I don’t find anything missing, but I do continually “seek” as incouraged by Jesus Himself, and I am finding many things (as promised) but foremost in my mind is to be in the will of God and not myself. Go with God my friend
 
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