A 'culture' of inverted sexuality

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just listened to some al kresta reruns on humanae vitae. he had patrick fagan on, author of “a ‘culture’ of inverted sexuality”
an excellent talk (the 3rd interview in the segment)
basically mr. fagan is saying that sterile (contracepting) heterosexual marriages are no different from any other sexual act and for contracepting marrieds to be protesting homosexual marriage is hypocritcal. an intentional sterile act is a sterile act, no matter how you slice it. you can’t have your cake and eat it too.
to truly win the battle against homosexual “marriage” we must win the battle against contraception.
you can find his complete article here
catholiceducation.org/articles/sexuality/se0049.html
 
Iwth that logic, one can argue an 85 yearold couple shouldn’t be doing it either.
 
chewchoo said:
what a bunch of pessimists! with God, ALL things are possible!
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That may be the case but it’s not a recipe for a practical politics - politics is the art of the possible and the idea that contraception could be banned is a daydream.
 
Kaninchen said:
That may be the case but it’s not a recipe for a practical politics - politics is the art of the possible and the idea that contraception could be banned is a daydream.
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this isn’t about politics and laws - its about educating people and changing their hearts. there will always be those that contracept, those that have/do abortions, those that commit murder and other crimes, but if, one person at a time, we can help them to see the Truth about all of these sins, then they will realize that the excuses that they make to justify their sins are just that, excuses, really lame excuses.

politics is the art of the possible - really? who coined that phrase?
 
The problem is when you present it in this light the typical person on the street is going to think you are equating them to a breeding machine since you present it as an act for having children only. Most people who think they are being viewed as a breeding machine are going to feel insulted, whther insult in meant or not. Thats the card that area dealt out and have to be dealed with. If this movement can’t overcome it, then it will not win.
 
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yup, there will always be someone who brings up that aspect of the equation. you get the prize :rolleyes:
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Funny you put it that way. That is honestly , the very first thing that came to my mind when I read your post. You need to cover all your bases.
 
chewchoo said:
this isn’t about politics and laws - its about educating people and changing their hearts. there will always be those that contracept, those that have/do abortions, those that commit murder and other crimes, but if, one person at a time, we can help them to see the Truth about all of these sins, then they will realize that the excuses that they make to justify their sins are just that, excuses, really lame excuses.
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You’ve raised the issue as being tied up with a matter of current practical politics rather than a long term Catholic issue.
politics is the art of the possible - really? who coined that phrase?
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A old British politician.
 
aspawloski4th said:
The problem is when you present it in this light the typical person on the street is going to think you are equating them to a breeding machine since you present it as an act for having children only. Most people who think they are being viewed as a breeding machine are going to feel insulted, whther insult in meant or not. Thats the card that area dealt out and have to be dealed with. If this movement can’t overcome it, then it will not win.
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it IS an act for making babies. yes it is unitive and procreative. and people want all of the unitive with out the procreative. the whole point of the fagan’s article is that those same people that want unitive sex only are shaking their finger at the homosexual world saying no you can’t, when they themselves are doing the same thing. they want the pleasure with out the responsibility. that is the whole point of this thread.
aspawloski4th said:
Funny you put it that way. That is honestly , the very first thing that came to my mind when I read your post. You need to cover all your bases.
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the bases that i am covering are in relation to the interview and the article by patrick fagan. if you have an issue with the bases then take it up with him. i am merely the messager of a very good study. look at the links i provided.
 
Kaninchen said:
You’ve raised the issue as being tied up with a matter of current practical politics rather than a long term Catholic issue.
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again - i raised an issue relative to fagan’s article - did you read it?
 
Kaninchen said:
It was just ‘more of the same’ to me.
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so you did read it then??
your response wasn’t clear.
what part was “more of the same”?
did you get to the part where his analysis lined up with a prohomosexual analysis?
what did you think about that?
 
chewchoo said:
so you did read it then??
your response wasn’t clear.
what part was “more of the same”?
did you get to the part where his analysis lined up with a prohomosexual analysis?
what did you think about that?
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It ought to be pretty clear that, to me, the whole thing is, in a sense, ‘lit crit’. I’m not a Christian, never mind a Catholic, so I don’t share a Catholic agenda.
 
Kaninchen said:
It ought to be pretty clear that, to me, the whole thing is, in a sense, ‘lit crit’. I’m not a Christian, never mind a Catholic, so I don’t share a Catholic agenda.
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ah, well thank you for "lit crit"ing my thread. your opinion has been very…
 
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