A Cup of Christmas Hate

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Seems like it’s a season for family problems. A number of people have posted about parents, particularly mothers, with narcissistic personality disorders. I believe my mother is one of them.

Her stories of her childhood made me think, even back when I was in high school, that she was born full of envy, jealousy, hatred, and believing everyone had it better than her. She spent my childhood years telling me how awful so many other people were, and trying to make sure I hated the same people she hated.

But if someone was cruel to me, she’d say, “I don’t have to be mad at them just because you are!” and act as if I was terrible–when in fact all I’d done was SAY what someone had done, not ask her to be mad at them at all.

She has spent my life telling people I’m a liar when I’m not. She has been negative and critical and told me many times that if someone hurt me, I was really at fault.

I finally just quit calling her, years ago, and she has never made any attempt to call me, either. Given the other family issues/dysfunction/alcoholism, and on advice from this forum, I quit going to any family events.

So she wanted to start something at Christmas mass of all places. Lit into me very bitterly about how I’ve made it very clear I don’t want my kids around them. I asked when she last made any attempt to call me. She just kept going on about how I won’t let them see the kids. (Actually, they see my kids plenty–XH brings them over and he even once had the gall to invite them into my home to visit the kids while I was at work–which I didn’t find out about until months later.)

I walked away from it, and amazingly felt at peace. But it really highlighted that they have no interest, ever, in how any of this might feel to me, or why I don’t call them. It doesn’t appear that they care about losing me as a daughter/sister at all.

It highlighted that they appear to think these kids belong to them and I have no actual rights to my own kids. This isn’t the first time my family members have behaved as if I’m some unimportant background noise in my own children’s lives who doesn’t need to be consulted in any way.

It highlighted for me that I was right to walk away from this, but unfortunately also made it very clear that this is exactly what my kids are hearing about me and the situation.

Merry Christmas, ‘mom.’ It’s nice to know that as you walk farther and farther into old age, you’re going to die with hatred and venom on your tongue.
 
I’m so sorry.:console: I will pray for peace in your life.
 
Manipulative people can be frustratingly difficult to deal with.
Especially if they have an axe to grind and feel the need to bring drama into every aspect of their lives (and if possible your life also).
IMHO you have done the right thing by distancing yourself.
You gain nothing by feeding into their insanity.
Pray for them, but do not be prey for them.

You might want to impress upon your XH that it is NOT OK for him to allow folks to meet your children without prior permission.

My father always joked that the only reason we got along so well with our cousins and uncles was that we rarely saw them.
 
This makes me so sad to read this post. Don’t you think that your mother had some deep rooted emotional problems that were never addressed? My own mother was not perfect. No mother is, but I would love to hear and talk with her, even if just for a few minutes. You generally only get one mother, and I miss mine. Peace.
 
Well, at this late stage in the game, it’s unlikely that anything’s going to change. I don’t know how easy cutting off contact will be since you have children, but it might be the best thing for you.

I remember posting about my own mother several weeks ago, and how encouraging your kind words were to me. I hope you can find peace in whatever decision you make :hug1:
 
It is obvious your mother has serious problems and the rest of the family are sucked into her drama and have been conditioned to enable her behaviour and ostracize those who dare to stand up to her. I’m sure this is something you fully inderstand and I’m telling you nothing new. It’s Christmas and family problems make us particularly sad this time of year. Same for me.

Hope you are feeling better and having a peaceful and joyful Christmas season.
 
Merry Christmas, ‘mom.’ It’s nice to know that as you walk farther and farther into old age, you’re going to die with hatred and venom on your tongue.
First I want to say, I am SO sorry for all the pain this has caused you. However, (and I mean this in a loving way), you may have found the strenght to leave her physically. Now you need to find the strenght to do the more important job, leave her emotionally.

Please do not allow bitterness to take a hold of your heart. Your life will be no better than when you were in regular contact with her.

Comments like the one I quote do slip out in the heat of anger and are forgiveable. But carrying such an attitude after the heat of the moment, is just plain detrimental

Peace

Angie
 
First I want to say, I am SO sorry for all the pain this has caused you. However, (and I mean this in a loving way), you may have found the strenght to leave her physically. Now you need to find the strenght to do the more important job, leave her emotionally.

Please do not allow bitterness to take a hold of your heart. Your life will be no better than when you were in regular contact with her.

Comments like the one I quote do slip out in the heat of anger and are forgiveable. But carrying such an attitude after the heat of the moment, is just plain detrimental

Peace

Angie
👍
 
Because you are Catholic, I advise you to take all the pain your mother has caused you and offer it up for the sake of her soul.

It was only when I began forgiving people in this manner that I found any peace with those who had deliberately hurt me. 🙂
 
Seems like it’s a season for family problems. A number of people have posted about parents, particularly mothers, with narcissistic personality disorders. I believe my mother is one of them.

Her stories of her childhood made me think, even back when I was in high school, that she was born full of envy, jealousy, hatred, and believing everyone had it better than her. She spent my childhood years telling me how awful so many other people were, and trying to make sure I hated the same people she hated.

But if someone was cruel to me, she’d say, “I don’t have to be mad at them just because you are!” and act as if I was terrible–when in fact all I’d done was SAY what someone had done, not ask her to be mad at them at all.

She has spent my life telling people I’m a liar when I’m not. She has been negative and critical and told me many times that if someone hurt me, I was really at fault.

I finally just quit calling her, years ago, and she has never made any attempt to call me, either. Given the other family issues/dysfunction/alcoholism, and on advice from this forum, I quit going to any family events.

So she wanted to start something at Christmas mass of all places. Lit into me very bitterly about how I’ve made it very clear I don’t want my kids around them. I asked when she last made any attempt to call me. She just kept going on about how I won’t let them see the kids. (Actually, they see my kids plenty–XH brings them over and he even once had the gall to invite them into my home to visit the kids while I was at work–which I didn’t find out about until months later.)

I walked away from it, and amazingly felt at peace. But it really highlighted that they have no interest, ever, in how any of this might feel to me, or why I don’t call them. It doesn’t appear that they care about losing me as a daughter/sister at all.

It highlighted that they appear to think these kids belong to them and I have no actual rights to my own kids. This isn’t the first time my family members have behaved as if I’m some unimportant background noise in my own children’s lives who doesn’t need to be consulted in any way.

It highlighted for me that I was right to walk away from this, but unfortunately also made it very clear that this is exactly what my kids are hearing about me and the situation.

Merry Christmas, ‘mom.’ It’s nice to know that as you walk farther and farther into old age, you’re going to die with hatred and venom on your tongue.
There is a lot of pain in your post. But it is within that last paragraph that the cup of hate gets its whip cream topping.

Praying for you
 
This post made me very sad. I pray you find peace within yourself. It seems that the “cup of Christmas hate” you describe is overflowing in many different directions, not just towards yourself either. Whether you realize it or not, you are contributing to this situation and that is going to end up hurting you worse than what others are contributing in the long run.
 
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