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Are there any other examples where prophets identified Jews as The Nations? As far as I know that’s only a term for Gentiles.

יא כִּי מִמִּזְרַח-שֶׁמֶשׁ וְעַד-מְבוֹאוֹ, גָּדוֹל שְׁמִי בַּגּוֹיִם, וּבְכָל-מָקוֹם מֻקְטָר מֻגָּשׁ לִשְׁמִי, וּמִנְחָה טְהוֹרָה: כִּי-גָדוֹל שְׁמִי בַּגּוֹיִם, אָמַר יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת
I don’t believe I stated that “nations” refers to Jews, other than the one interpetation that views it as referring to Torah scholars scattered throughout the nations. This is different than saying it refers to the people of Israel.
 
I don’t believe I stated that “nations” refers to Jews, other than the one interpetation that views it as referring to Torah scholars scattered throughout the nations. This is different than saying it refers to the people of Israel.
It seemed Jews were cursed with loss of Temple about forty years after Jesus was supposed to have been persecuted by fellow Jews, after John the Baptist was supposed to be acting as Elijah. And according to sages the Temple was lost due to baseless hatred of fellow Jews.

But since so many Jews today say they don’t have to observe Torah anymore or even believe in God, do you think they will face more curses according to this? What will the curse be?

Malachi 3:22-24 Remember ye the law of Moses My servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, even statutes and ordinances. Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD. And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers; lest I come and smite the land with utter destruction.
 
It seemed Jews were cursed with loss of Temple about forty years after Jesus was supposed to have been persecuted by fellow Jews, after John the Baptist was supposed to be acting as Elijah. And according to sages the Temple was lost due to baseless hatred of fellow Jews.

But since so many Jews today say they don’t have to observe Torah anymore or even believe in God, do you think they will face more curses according to this? What will the curse be?

Malachi 3:22-24 Remember ye the law of Moses My servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, even statutes and ordinances. Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD. And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers; lest I come and smite the land with utter destruction.
Perhaps they will be cursed with indifference and a lack of appreciation for all that the Torah offers. I’ve read that more reform Jews are taking a more traditional approach to their religion, so perhaps the pendulem has started to swing back.
 
Perhaps they will be cursed with indifference and a lack of appreciation for all that the Torah offers. I’ve read that more reform Jews are taking a more traditional approach to their religion, so perhaps the pendulem has started to swing back.
Since Malachi’s warning is for the land to be destroyed, don’t you think the State of Israel may face destruction if a majority of Jews don’t start trying to observe Torah more and at least believe in God, and insist that others who say they are Jews do the same?

Rather than being soft on secularism and atheism as most seem to be doing now.

All Jesus questions aside.
 
From Al-Quran:

**[5:65] And if the People of the Book had believed and been righteous, We would surely have removed from them their evils and We would surely have admitted them into Gardens of bliss.

[5:66] And if they had observed the Torah and the Gospel and what has been now sent down to them from their Lord, they would, surely, have eaten of good things from above them and from under their feet. Among them are a people who are moderate; but many of them are such that evil is what they do.**
 
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