A decision that should deeply grieve and concern all Christians, but especially Catholics

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The Obama administration, under the rubric of its health care overhaul, is forcing religious hospitals, schools, and ministries to cover and/or dispense birth control as part of its health care plans and services. Including those birth control pills that are considered abortifacients. Let us pray the Supreme Court overturns this egregious sin and violation of religious freedom.

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IggyAntiochus said:
The Obama administration, under the rubric of its health care overhaul, is forcing religious hospitals, schools, and ministries to cover and/or dispense birth control as part of its health care plans and services. Including those birth control pills that are considered abortifacients. Let us pray the Supreme Court overturns this egregious sin and violation of religious freedom.

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They talked about this today on Catholic Answers Live. It’s a crying shame that the administration would even try to push this through. Count me in on praying about this too.
 
IggyAntiochus said:
The Obama administration, under the rubric of its health care overhaul, is forcing religious hospitals, schools, and ministries to cover and/or dispense birth control as part of its health care plans and services. Including those birth control pills that are considered abortifacients. Let us pray the Supreme Court overturns this egregious sin and violation of religious freedom.

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Most Democratic Catholics should have known what they’ve gotten themselves into when they decided to vote for Barack Obama.

It was obvious what his feelings on abortion and contraception were. And now you get what you voted for.
 
There’s an amazing homily about this topic on Audio Sancto. It’s the second part of a homily started last week. It’s a long listen, but totally worth it. I’ve linked both homilies.

This particular priest occasionally preaches a sermon so powerful that the end of it, all of the parishioners look like this:

http://img.engadget.com/common/images/3060000000058568.JPG?0.466539582001809

This is one of those sermons. Listen to it. And keep this holy servant of God in your prayers. Because think about it - what did you hear last Sunday on the pulpit? I’m betting it was nothing like this.

Part 1: What does MARRIAGE Mean?
Part 2: The Sanctity of Marriage: We Are Left to Battle Paganism On Our Own
 
FabiusMaximus said:
Most Democratic Catholics should have known what they’ve gotten themselves into when they decided to vote for Barack Obama.

It was obvious what his feelings on abortion and contraception were. And now you get what you voted for.
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:sad_yes::clapping::bighanky::sad_bye:

Unfortunately, the babies also get what Catholic Democrats voted for.

Death.
 
ChrisB103 said:
They talked about this today on Catholic Answers Live. It’s a crying shame that the administration would even try to push this through. Count me in on praying about this too.
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A crying shame? It’s totally coherent with Barack Obama’s support for every form of abortion including partial birth abortion.

What else did anyone expect?

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Do these organizations actually have to comply? Wouldnt they cease being actual Catholic places? I cnt see the Pope actually allowing a Catholic organization to do this.
 
TheRealJuliane said:
A crying shame? It’s totally coherent with Barack Obama’s support for every form of abortion including partial birth abortion.

What else did anyone expect?

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True, but that just makes it even more of a crying shame.
 
NorthTexan88 said:
Do these organizations actually have to comply? Wouldnt they cease becoming actual Catholic places? I cnt see the Pope actually allowing a Catholic organization to do this.
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If they don’t comply, they will be fined by the federal government until they comply. Being that faithful Catholic (and other Christian) organizations cannot, by conscience, comply, my guess is they will close or limit their services, much as how the Catholic organization in Mass. closed its adoption agency when the government tried to force it to adopt into homosexual families.
 
TheRealJuliane said:
What I heard from the pulpit on Sunday about abortion, Roe v. Wade, our duty to vote pro-life:

🤷:mad:
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That’s awesome that your priest is fighting the good fight. I will keep him in my prayers as well. As litte Thérèse said in her prayer for priests, “O Jesus, I pray to Thee, for Thy faithful and fervent priests; for Thy unfaithful and tepid priests; for Thy priests laboring at home or abroad in distant mission fields; for Thy tempted priests, for Thy lonely and desolate priests; for Thy young priests; for Thy aged priests; for Thy sick priests; for Thy dying priests; for the souls of Thy priests in purgatory.”
 
In fact, the US Government is pushing this agenda overseas–usually in developing countries where they require such laws in exchange for foreign aid (funding, arms, etc.) as well as support for local politicians. The difference is–against billions of dollars at work–the fight is very very difficult for small cause-oriented groups and even for Church organizations.

This battle is also raging in the Philippines. Here, they call it the “Reproductive Health Bill”. Thanks to brave Catholics and others, the RH Bill has not yet succeeded becoming a law–but the fight goes on.

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IggyAntiochus said:
The Obama administration, under the rubric of its health care overhaul, is forcing religious hospitals, schools, and ministries to cover and/or dispense birth control as part of its health care plans and services. Including those birth control pills that are considered abortifacients. Let us pray the Supreme Court overturns this egregious sin and violation of religious freedom.

washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-admin-to-grant-1-year-extension-for-church-affiliated-employers-to-cover-birth-control/2012/01/20/gIQAu9XlDQ_story.html
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Regardless of my personal and religious views on birth control, I view this as indeed a violation of religious freedom and cannot condone it.
 
meltzerboy said:
Regardless of my personal and religious views on birth control, I view this as indeed a violation of religious freedom and cannot condone it.
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Many non-Catholics are employees of Catholic Health Services, why should they be bound by their employers religious views? :confused:

The fact that most (estimates are as high as 98%) US Catholic women use birth control also weakens the moral argument since there is obviously a huge disconnect between what the Catholic church says in regards to birth control and what its members actually do.

I’m sure even Catholic women working for Catholic Health Services would welcome the covered birth control pills as opposed to paying out of pocket for them.

Issues like this are always going to arise in a pluralistic society. 🤷
 
Geist said:
Many non-Catholics are employees of Catholic Health Services, why should they be bound by their employers religious views? :confused:
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Because they chose to work for them.
The fact that most (estimates are as high as 98%) US Catholic women use birth control also weakens the moral argument since there is obviously a huge disconnect between what the Catholic church says in regards to birth control and what its members actually do.
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The church cannot control the behavior of its members. That does not mean the government should force the church to enable and financially support their behavior.
 
IggyAntiochus said:
Because they chose to work for them.
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Irrelevant under federal law.

Also, most people don’t know these policies. When I worked for CHS, it was a few months in when I finally got my insurance and the benefits book that I happened to see it wouldn’t pay for contraception or abortions (this was circa 2008), no one had told me this during the hiring process.

They’re not up front about it in the first place.
That does not mean the government should force the church to enable and financially support their behavior.
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But its OK for the Church to continually lobby the government for its agendas, such as keeping marriage between a man and a woman, or opposing stem cell research based from aborted embryos? All while being tax exempt? Why should say, Jews subsidize the Catholic church? :confused:

Ya can’t tamper with a secular government then shriek “religious freedom” when the secular government tampers with you. 🤷
 
Geist said:
Many non-Catholics are employees of Catholic Health Services, why should they be bound by their employers religious views? :confused:

The fact that most (estimates are as high as 98%) US Catholic women use birth control also weakens the moral argument since there is obviously a huge disconnect between what the Catholic church says in regards to birth control and what its members actually do.

I’m sure even Catholic women working for Catholic Health Services would welcome the covered birth control pills as opposed to paying out of pocket for them.

Issues like this are always going to arise in a pluralistic society. 🤷
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One only need to calculate the percentage of Catholic women beyond child bearing age to realize that this is hogwash.
 
Everyone must drop to their knees and beg for God’s mercy that this pro-death administration does not take office for four more years.

The blood of 50 million + voiceless baby martyrs cries for justice!
 
DCNBILL said:
One only need to calculate the percentage of Catholic women beyond child bearing age to realize that this is hogwash.
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sciencemag.org/content/179/4068/41.short

Science 5 January 1973:
Vol. 179 no. 4068 pp. 41-44
DOI: 10.1126/science.179.4068.41
There has been a wide and increasing defection of Roman Catholic women from the traditional teaching of their Church on the subject of birth control over the past two decades and a resulting convergence of Catholic and non-Catholic contraceptive practices. By 1970, two-thirds of all Catholic women were using methods disapproved by their Church; this figure reached three-quarters for women under age 30. Considering the fact that most of the one-quarter of young Catholic women conforming to Church teaching had never used any method, the percentage of those deviating may well reach 90 as these women grow older and the problems of fertility control become more important.
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If it was up to 90% in 1973, I truly doubt its gotten lower. But thats not the point of this thread.

Birth control is as commonplace as tylenol, no one has really demonstrated why the Catholic affiliated employers should be exempt from paying for birth control as they would any other prescription when:
  1. Not all employees are even Catholic.
  2. Even its Catholic employees use the drug in question.
Again, the “religious freedom” argument really doesn’t apply here. I can’t see the Church winning a reversal for this in court given it violates the rights of its employees to have this service covered as they would under any other plan.
 
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