A dialogue with a sola scriptura Guy

[upant]

upant:

please define the proper use of ss. thanks

Sola scriptura is the practice of the Church of using scripture as the final norm for holding doctrine and teachers and teachings accountable.

so with the different sects having differing rules on practicing gay clergy, which one is right especially since they all believe the bible allows them to do what they preach.

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is this a ss issue or not and if not why

thanks

 

[JonNC]

so with the different sects having differing rules on practicing gay clergy, which one is right especially since they all believe the bible allows them to do what they preach.

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is this a ss issue or not and if not why

Of course it isn’t an SS issue. Where in scripture is homosexuality permitted? This is an issue of secular progressivism overriding scripture.

 

[upant]

upant:

so with the different sects having differing rules on practicing gay clergy, which one is right especially since they all believe the bible allows them to do what they preach.

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is this a ss issue or not and if not why

Of course it isn’t an SS issue. Where in scripture is homosexuality permitted? This is an issue of secular progressivism overriding scripture.

who says it isn’t scripture. some have interpreted homosexuality as only fornication and those in a ssm justified

 

[De_Maria]

But do they consider the “apocrypha” to be the inspired word of God? Yes or no?

I always saw the Apochrypha as an admin (yet still problematic when "infallibly’ declared) issue!

Admin? What do you mean by that?

What does it reaĺly change. I am aware of the most popular part in Macc. but that doesn’t really do it.

Doesn’t do what?

I’m afraid you’re being a bit vague for me to understand what you mean. The question I asked is a simple yes or no, question. Do Lutherans believe that the Apocrypha is the inspired word of God? Yes or no?

 

[De_Maria]

De_Maria:

But you used the term “heterodox” with regards to Catholic Teaching, did you not?

Yes. As opposed to heretical.

Hm? What’s the difference?

her·e·sy
ˈherəsē/Submit
noun
belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (especially Christian) doctrine.
“Huss was burned for heresy”
synonyms: dissension, dissent, nonconformity, heterodoxy, unorthodoxy, apostasy, blasphemy, freethinking; More

I’ve always considered them synonyms.

Merriam Webster
heresy Synonyms
Synonyms
dissent, dissidence, heterodoxy, nonconformity

Yes. And yes. The only final norm, in this case.

Glad we agree.

No. And they consider them disputed such that they cannot be used as a primary source for doctrine.

So, although they include them in the Bible, they wouldn’t call them the Word of God. Right?

 

[De_Maria]

I think, in general, most Lutherans would deny or at least be skeptical of them. I would also suspect that most Lutherans in the pews would not be able to say why.

Agreed.

I don’t really know what that exercise got me, but thanks for your honesty. Bye.

 

[JonNC]

JonNC:

upant:

so with the different sects having differing rules on practicing gay clergy, which one is right especially since they all believe the bible allows them to do what they preach.

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is this a ss issue or not and if not why

Of course it isn’t an SS issue. Where in scripture is homosexuality permitted? This is an issue of secular progressivism overriding scripture.

who says it isn’t scripture. some have interpreted homosexuality as only fornication and those in a ssm justified

Chapter and verse, please.

 

[JonNC]

So, although they include them in the Bible, they wouldn’t call them the Word of God. Right?

I would, but they might not, particularly when read from the lectern.

 

[JonNC]

Agreed.

I don’t really know what that exercise got me, but thanks for your honesty. Bye.

How about a pleasant exchange between two people of God.

 

[Gingersnaps4]

Before my conversion I was Episcopalian and the priest told me that a lot of children and babies died back then and so homosexuality was only wrong in “those times”, since people needed to have as many children as possible. And he said he thinks and hopes the EP church will end up
On the “right side of history”. Can you believe that?! And it’s what clergy in the EP are being taught. So I don’t have a chapter and verse but they are feeling free to re-interpret scripture to suit OUR times. With no doctrine on faith and morals in line with God’s Law that can NEVER change, and no Authority to interpret the scriptures, they can do what they want to…that’s a major reason my family converted. There can’t be all of these versions of truth, only one can be right and it has to be the one that has been there from the beginning and has never changed.

 

[upant]

Chapter and verse, please.

they say the words in Romans 1:26-27 or 1 Corinthians 6:9 or 1 Timothy 1:10, do not include today’s ssm relationships. they say if it was meant to be taken as we understand it paul would have used different wording?

so who is interpreting it wrong?

without an authority how do we know who is right and who is wrong?

 

[fhansen]

upant:

please define the proper use of ss. thanks

Sola scriptura is the practice of the Church of using scripture as the final norm for holding doctrine and teachers and teachings accountable.

Doesn’t work. Someone still needs to interpret in order to determine and establish the norm.

 

[MaryT777]

Yes, I agree with this. I studied 2 years in the LCMS Church and Luther’s small Catechism was used for confirmation. The Small Catechism itself is named after Luther and his interpretation of the number of Sacraments, Faith alone etc based on the Bible. There is no way around the fact t he Bible needs to be interpreted by someone to define doctrine for each denomination or Stand alone Church.

The Concord book was used for Ordination. This is one HUGE book, (larger than the Catholic Catechism ) Reader beware, it is NOT Catholic friendly. The LCMS people I met were wonderful Christ Centered people.

 

[ratio1]

One of the problems I have with Sola Scriptura is it is unfair to the illiterate. If you can’t read, how are you supposed to arrive at the Truth?
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the printing press coincided with the Prostestant Reformation.

 

[JonNC]

One of the problems I have with Sola Scriptura is it is unfair to the illiterate. If you can’t read, how are you supposed to arrive at the Truth?

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the printing press coincided with the Prostestant Reformation.

This could be an issue if a group misinterprets Sola Scriptura as private interpretation.

 

[JonNC]

Doesn’t work. Someone still needs to interpret in order to determine and establish the norm.

That’s why it’s s practice of the Church

 

[JonNC]

Chapter and verse, please.

they say the words in Romans 1:26-27 or 1 Corinthians 6:9 or 1 Timothy 1:10, do not include today’s ssm relationships. they say if it was meant to be taken as we understand it paul would have used different wording?

Then they are adding something to it that isn’t there. That is clearly eisegesis, and not a sola scriptura practice.

 

[JonNC]

And clearly they are imposing a modern secular progressive philosophy onto scripture.
That’s not sola scriptura. In fact, aren’t they saying scripture should be ignored on the issue because of the social norms of the time? It is quite the opposite of sola scriptura

 

[De_Maria]

Sorry, did that sound kind of abrupt? I just got to the end of that line of inquiry and realized that I didn’t have anything left to say. Oops!

 

[JonNC]

Sorry, did that sound kind of abrupt? I just got to the end of that line of inquiry and realized that I didn’t have anything left to say. Oops!

No worries. I understand.