A difference in translation on a major scale

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This is the worst contradiction of words ever between versions of the bible.
From the Douay-Rheims
22 Joseph is a growing son, a growing son and comely to behold: the daughters run to and fro upon the wall;
23 But they that held darts, provoked him, and quarrelled with him, and envied him.
24 His bow rested upon the strong, and the bands of his arms and his hands were loosed, by the hands of the mighty one of Jacob: thence he came forth a pastor, the stone of Israel.
25 The God of thy father shall be thy helper, and the Almighty shall bless thee with the blessings of heaven above, with the blessings of the deep that lieth beneath, with the blessings of the breasts and of the womb.
26 The blessings of thy father are strengthened with the blessings of his fathers: until the desire of the everlasting hills should come: may they be upon the head of Joseph, and upon the crown of the Nazarite among his brethren.

From the New American Bible
"Joseph is a wild colt ,a wild colt by a spring, a wild *** on a hillside.
23
Harrying and attacking, the archers opposed him;
24
But each one’s bow remained stiff, as their arms were unsteady, By the power of the Mighty One of Jacob, because of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel,
25
6 The God of your father, who helps you, God Almighty, who blesses you, With the blessings of the heavens above, the blessings of the abyss that crouches below, The blessings of breasts and womb,
26
the blessings of fresh grain and blossoms, The blessings of the everlasting mountains, the delights of the eternal hills. May they rest on the head of Joseph, on the brow of the prince among his brothers.

Maybe not the whole passages, but in one Joseph is a son, the other he is an “***”. I know that word has a different connotation today than then, but how did this big difference occur?
(this is the epistle for a votive Mass during the week for St. Joseph in the Traditional Rite)
 
Oh, the first is from the Douay-Rheims and the second is from the one from the USCCB website, I forget its name.
 
Genesis 49:22-26
In the Old Roman Rite, this is the epistle of a votive Mass of St. Joseph during the week.
I believe the Gospel is the reading of Luke where the Blessed Virgin calls St. Joseph “your father”. It is about three verses long.
 
I paralleled it most agree with the RSVCE 22
‘Joseph is a fruitful bough, a fruitful bough by a spring; his branches run over the wall. 23 The archers fiercely attacked him, shot at him, and harassed him sorely; 24 yet his bow remained unmoved, his arms* were made agile by the hands of the Mighty One of Jacob (by the name of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel), 25 by the God of your father who will help you, by God Almighty* who will bless you with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that couches beneath, blessings of the breasts and of the womb’
Translation from any modern language is difficult-translating an ancient book from an ancient language is extremely difficult. Usage changes,idiom changes, syntax changes. Different translations can use different source material. DR probably relied on the Vulgate and the LXX…Most other translations rely on MT. Most likely that’s were you difference comes in- at the source material.
 
It sounds to me like there might also be different meanings for the same word, or different connotations involved.

Like the word “scion” in English. You can use it in the tree branch sense, or the young son of a human family sense. Maybe there’s a similar phrase in Hebrew that can also mean any kind of young frisky creature, like a colt or a donkey foal.
 
the translations used here doesn’t result any major differences at all. If you are looking for a literal interpretation and accurate translation the Douay-Rheims is the most accurate English Catholic Bible. There are many differences that present major differences on a major scale. One being Luke 1:28. NO modern Catholic translation translates it right. “Hail, full of Grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed are thou among women” not “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you”, “Hail highly favored one, the Lord is with you”, or “Rejoice highly favored one, the Lord is with you” In the the case of Luke 1:28 only the Douay-Rheims, Confraternity Edition and the Ronald Knox Translation translate it right. With the passage provided her there are only minor changes that don’t distort the Catholic doctrine.
 
juliamajor said:
I think Ambrose wants book, chapter, and verse:)
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I fired up e-Sword, and searching for “Joseph” and “colt”, the only hits I had were the following:

(Genesis 49:22 NAB-A) "Joseph is a wild colt,a wild colt by a spring, a wild *** on a hillside.

(Genesis 49:22 NAB D) "Joseph is a wild colt,a wild colt by a spring, a wild *** on a hillside.

(Genesis 49:22 GNB) "Joseph is like a wild donkey by a spring, A wild colt on a hillside.

That search included most, if not all of the sixty something translations of the Bible I have in English, for e-Sword.

NAB-A: New American Bible with Apocrypha;
NAB D: New American Bible with Deuterocanonical material;
GNB: Good News Bible;

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