A Diocese torn (Franklin Graham comes to town)

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Franklin Graham is in my diocese doing a big conference. Billboards all over town, fliers, posters, etc. The Bishop and several parishes support him wholeheartedly and encourage their parishioners to attend. Many of them saying, “How can we judge him, how can we say he is wrong? We all love Jesus.”
These same Priests bad mouthed Catholic Apologists from Catholic Answers and St. Joseph’s communications when they came to town saying that they were too rigid, and triumphalistic and they would not support them.

Then other parishes are totally against, I know of some priests who ripped up his fliers and threw them out when someone tried to bring it in their parish.

What is up with us as Catholics denying who we are and what we stand for and support affairs such as this which will contain teaching indirectly or directly that deny Catholic doctrine?

Please contact my diocese, write to my diocese, do something:
goccn.org/diocese/
 
James_2:24:
These same Priests bad mouthed Catholic Apologists from Catholic Answers and St. Joseph’s communications when they came to town saying that they were too rigid, and triumphalistic and they would not support them.
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It is no wonder why Catholicism are losing ground in Latin America.
 
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philipmarus:
It is no wonder why Catholicism are losing ground in Latin America.
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??? Since when is Corpus Christi, Texas in Latin America?

Peace

Tim
 
Since Franklin Graham presents an inaccurate (Baptist) gospel, Catholics who do not know their Catholic faith very well or who are not very strong in that faith would be placing themselves in the near occasion of sin by attending his conference and must not attend. Since most Catholics probably fall within this category, it is probably not prudent to encourage Catholics as a whole to attend his conference.

On the other hand, for those Catholics who know their Catholic faith and who are strong in that faith, it would be meritorious for them to attend his conference as a way of fostering a spirit of ecumenism.
 
I Did not say it was. I was commenting on that type of atitude of the Clergy and others. However, that attitude in Corpis Christi, Texas is easily contributing to the loss of Hispanics Catholics to Fundamentalism right here in U.S. I see examples of it right here in Oklahoma of Hispanics that are no longer Catholic.
 
James_2:24:
Franklin Graham is in my diocese doing a big conference. Billboards all over town, fliers, posters, etc. The Bishop and several parishes support him wholeheartedly and encourage their parishioners to attend. Many of them saying, “How can we judge him, how can we say he is wrong? We all love Jesus.”
These same Priests bad mouthed Catholic Apologists from Catholic Answers and St. Joseph’s communications when they came to town saying that they were too rigid, and triumphalistic and they would not support them.

Then other parishes are totally against, I know of some priests who ripped up his fliers and threw them out when someone tried to bring it in their parish.

What is up with us as Catholics denying who we are and what we stand for and support affairs such as this which will contain teaching indirectly or directly that deny Catholic doctrine?

Please contact my diocese, write to my diocese, do something:
goccn.org/diocese/
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Since I am not in your Diocese, a letter to your Bishop from me would probably not do any good. It you have to come from you and from other people in your Diocese. It it were me and I heard this type of hypocracy from the priest, I would of confronted him. First in a civilized manner to see what his reaction was and then based on that, I would go from there.

PF
 
Orogeny said:
??? Since when is Corpus Christi, Texas in Latin America?

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You haven’t been to Corpus Christi, Texass lately have you?😉

I was in San Antonio a few weeks ago and visited a place were a bunch of illegal alliens crossed the border and tried revolting against the legitamate government down there. These illegal aliens wanted to steal Texass away for themselfs and make it part of their old country. They hunkered on down in a little Catholic Church in the middle of nowhere. Of course the government cleared them out. (Reminds me of WACO and the FBI?) What was that church called? Hum, I think it was the Alamo?

Food for thought…
 
James_2:24:
Franklin Graham is in my diocese doing a big conference. Billboards all over town, fliers, posters, etc. The Bishop and several parishes support him wholeheartedly and encourage their parishioners to attend. Many of them saying, “How can we judge him, how can we say he is wrong? We all love Jesus.”
These same Priests bad mouthed Catholic Apologists from Catholic Answers and St. Joseph’s communications when they came to town saying that they were too rigid, and triumphalistic and they would not support them.

Then other parishes are totally against, I know of some priests who ripped up his fliers and threw them out when someone tried to bring it in their parish.

What is up with us as Catholics denying who we are and what we stand for and support affairs such as this which will contain teaching indirectly or directly that deny Catholic doctrine?

Please contact my diocese, write to my diocese, do something:
goccn.org/diocese/
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It is my understanding that the Corpus Christi bishop also supported strongly a Fullness of Truth conference in Corpus Christi earlier this year.
Presenters at that conference included Fr. Corapi, Tim Staples,Fr Miitch Packwa (sp?) . Rosland Moss was going to attend but was ill.a very orthodox group indeed !

Trick
 
Yes understandable… but I was part of getting that conference here, and believe me it was ugly… it took some working to get them here and believe me some $$$ to the diocese 😉

Also, keep in mind that the bishop didn’t do much to support/push it, like he is doing with Franklin Graham, he just allowed it…
 
I don’t know much about Franklin Graham’s personal beliefs other then he is not Catholic. Can someone clue me into what he believes? Is he antiCatholic?
 
It is sad to have bishops that are themselves not understanding what their very own Church teaches.

Is it worse tohave a bishop who is very liberal or one who just simple lets anyone come into their parish to speak?

The Bishop here in Cleveland does not want to ‘make waves’ so he lets both liberal and orthodox Catholic speakers speak inthe diocese.

I find it ironic that with a city NAMED for the Body of Christ that the bishop there would not every uphold the teachings of the Church the Lord founded.
 
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It is sad to have bishops that are themselves not understanding what their very own Church teaches.

Is it worse tohave a bishop who is very liberal or one who just simple lets anyone come into their parish to speak?

The Bishop here in Cleveland does not want to ‘make waves’ so he lets both liberal and orthodox Catholic speakers speak inthe diocese.

I find it ironic that with a city NAMED for the Body of Christ that the bishop there would not every uphold the teachings of the Church the Lord founded.
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Yeah, tell me about it… you don’t know the half either… its worse than just this… On a better note though, there is a great many orthodox Priests in this diocese, more so than most the rest of the country… but there is a division… a orthodox group of Priests and then the liberal group and this is the problem… However, my parish has about 5 seminarians and its on the orthodox side, so things will get better in the future.

God Bless
 
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I don’t know much about Franklin Graham’s personal beliefs other then he is not Catholic. Can someone clue me into what he believes? Is he antiCatholic?
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He is a Baptist. Although he is not anti-Catholic, unlike his father, Billy Graham, he is not warm to our faith.
 
James_2:24:
These same Priests bad mouthed Catholic Apologists from Catholic Answers and St. Joseph’s communications when they came to town saying that they were too rigid, and triumphalistic and they would not support them.
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I am somewhat surprised that the Catholic authorities in your area are going around bad mouthing Catholic Apologists from Catholic Answers.
 
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I am somewhat surprised that the Catholic authorities in your area are going around bad mouthing Catholic Apologists from Catholic Answers.
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What about this is surprising you? Such is the state of the Church in this country… Look no further than Andrew Greeley and Fr. McBrien… or Catholics for a Free Choice… open dissenters… and there are hundreds if not thousands like them.
 
“He is a Baptist. Although he is not anti-Catholic, unlike his father, Billy Graham, he is not warm to our faith.”

His father, Billy Graham, is about as ecumenical as you can get. Franklin takes a similar approach to his father.
 
My Diocese’s newspaper (pittsburghcatholic.org/index.phtml) is actually running a big ad for the Billy Graham foundation conference that’s coming to our town. I cannot understand why. They’re basically setting up weak Catholics to be lured away by these “evangelists.”
 
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My Diocese’s newspaper (pittsburghcatholic.org/index.phtml) is actually running a big ad for the Billy Graham foundation conference that’s coming to our town. I cannot understand why. They’re basically setting up weak Catholics to be lured away by these “evangelists.”
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It is ecumenism gone out of control,

Cafeteria Catholics want so badly to profess some sort of unity with their seperated brethren that they will either de-emphasize or disregard many Church teachings to achieve that end. In my process of converting to Catholicism, I attended a Billy Graham crusade and I could tell there was a considerable Catholic presence there…
 
I really don’t care too much for Franklin Graham. He’s just too narrow, rigid and fundamentalist for my taste.
 
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stanley123:
I am somewhat surprised that the Catholic authorities in your area are going around bad mouthing Catholic Apologists from Catholic Answers.
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If they are indeed “rigid and triumphalistic”, then those authorities are wholly entitled to say so. Indeed, they have a grave obligation to say so.​

CA & EWTN aren’t the teachers in the Church: they have no canonical mission, & they do not represent the whole of the Catholic Faith, but only one segment of it. It is therefore both right, proper and necessary to criticise them for their deficiencies.

Dissent is detestable, especially when it comes from those who are not otherwise unorthodox. It is the bishops - not CA or EWTN or CAI or any other outfit - who have been appointed to rule in the Church: not priests. Priests are there to obey the bishops, not to undermine them.

What Father Corapi (for instance) may say, is worthless nonsense, *if *he does not obey the Divinely-constituted authority in the Church. If he disobeys, then he is no better than a hireling, and is no Catholic, but an enemy of Christ. It’s high time priests & laity who think themselves better than their bishops are stepped on - firmly.

Bishops are the teachers, bishops are the pastors, bishops are the governors, bishops are the liturgists in the Church: not laity, not priests, not deacons, but bishops, and no one else. The sooner that the self-styled “orthodox” dissenters, and rebellious and disobedient clerics get that into their heads, the better for us all. ##
 
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