A document should be released on Exorcism

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Read Neil Anderson’s The Bondage Breaker A power encounter (priest or exorcism) is not necessary; Satan rules by seducing the will with lies. A simple layman has all the authority needed.

Secondly, many people are more easily tempted because of emotional brokeness and/or lack of forgiveness. Theophostic Prayer Ministry resolves that kind of stuff, and the demon ceases trying to return. He gains his authority by seducing the will with lies, which is greatly aided by his ability to inflame the passions. But the passions are the fruit of emotional pain. Eliminate the pain and you have eliminated the problem.

Some years ago we had massive problems. Satanic graffetti was the only physical evidence of their source. With the aid of orthomolecular psychiatry, The Bondage Breaker and Theophostic Prayer Ministry both incurably mentally ill suicidal persons were restored to perfect health.

If you are in battle go to Mass daily, go to Confession at least once a month and every morning bind the evil one from influencing or lying to the mind or heart of the troubled family member. Then get busy studying. Satan is only getting away with stuff because of ignorance to defend against his lies. Prayer and knowledge will set you free.

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Believe me, exorcism is nothing to play with. What little I know about them, convinces me that I am not one of those holy priests who are official exorcist. (Yes, I am a deacon, but this is not a play on words) All I can say is pray for them and pray hard. Theirs is a forgotten and unknown task to most people. Too often the only knowledge people have is the Hollywood version which is nowhere near the truth. Keep these special priests in you prayers.
Deacon Ed B.
 
latinmasslover said:
Not true in every case.
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Absolutely true in every case. I used to think as you do. I learned by experience. I lived through occultic attack…

Satan’s only authority is obtained through LIES. Jesus Christ has all the authority. In union with Jesus, we have the authority.

When we make deliverance into a power encounter, it is because we are deceived by the father of lies. That’s what the devil wants us to believe. He wants to intimidate us and have us jumping all sorts of hoops. He wants us to believe we’re dealing with some high powered spirit, ad nauseaum. All lies.

He has no power. He is a defeated enemy, defeated at the cross. His best is insignificant before the power of of God. If he sticks around when we say get lost in Jesus’ name, it’s because he has some legal right to be there, such as a curse, resentment or sin.

We have to seek the Lord for discernment on how to proceed sometimes, but we have all the power that is needed.

I learned by reading the book above and studying Theophostic (seminar or video/DVD’s). I wouldn’t expect anyone to reverse their opinion based on hearsay like this column, but I put the information out there so those in need can use a search engine and find it.
 
holdencaulfield said:
I find this very distressing: New Exorcism Rite The Vatican should release a document condemning the new rite.
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It will be interesting to see what happens with the new Rite of Exorcism. The new rite’s theological view point has shifted, much as it did in the new Book of Blessings. The challenge is not that the new outlook is wrong, but is it effective, and it is wise to discard or shift from a form that has worked effectively for centuries.

The Vatican will not release a document condemning its own rite based on the opinion of one priest, albeit a well know exorcist. That would be a reactionary, as well as imprudent, and plain silly. The Vatican is aware that there is some concern with the new rite and has taken the necessary precautions to address it. It has authorized exorcist to continue to use the 1952 Rite if they so desire.

It you want to read a much more comprehensive analysis of the new Rite it direct you to the following document.

liturgysociety.org/JOURNAL/Volume10/10_1/vanslyke10.1.pdf
 
holdencaulfield said:
I find this very distressing: New Exorcism Rite The Vatican should release a document condemning the new rite.
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It will be interesting to see what happens with the new Rite of Exorcism. The new rite’s theological view point has shifted, much as it did in the new Book of Blessings. The challenge is not that the new outlook is wrong, but is it effective, and it is wise to discard or shift from a form that has worked effectively for centuries.

The Vatican will not release a document condemning its own rite based on the opinion of one priest, albeit a well know exorcist. That would be a reactionary, as well as imprudent. The Vatican is aware that there is some concern with the new rite and has taken the necessary precautions to address it. It has authorized exorcist to continue to use the 1952 Rite if they so desire.

It you want to read a much more comprehensive analysis of the new Rite I direct you to the following document.

liturgysociety.org/JOURNAL/Volume10/10_1/vanslyke10.1.pdf
 
CatherineJones said:
Absolutely true in every case. I used to think as you do. I learned by experience. I lived through occultic attack…

Satan’s only authority is obtained through LIES. Jesus Christ has all the authority. In union with Jesus, we have the authority.

When we make deliverance into a power encounter, it is because we are deceived by the father of lies. That’s what the devil wants us to believe. He wants to intimidate us and have us jumping all sorts of hoops. He wants us to believe we’re dealing with some high powered spirit, ad nauseaum. All lies.

He has no power. He is a defeated enemy, defeated at the cross. His best is insignificant before the power of of God. If he sticks around when we say get lost in Jesus’ name, it’s because he has some legal right to be there, such as a curse, resentment or sin.

We have to seek the Lord for discernment on how to proceed sometimes, but we have all the power that is needed.

I learned by reading the book above and studying Theophostic (seminar or video/DVD’s). I wouldn’t expect anyone to reverse their opinion based on hearsay like this column, but I put the information out there so those in need can use a search engine and find it.
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No, it’s not. Jesus did not give the authority to cast out demons to all of His followers. He gave it to specific men.

Can you cite any Church document that says that a priest is *never *necessary, that we have *everything *needed to exorcise?
 
Isn’t the fact that every diocese is assigned one priest as the official exorcist evidence enough that the ritual is supposed to be peformed by priests, in every case? Not to say that you couldn’t have laypeople pray over the possessed in a healing prayer service.
 
Every Diocesian Bishop should assign an exorcist, he does not have too. I believe there aren’t more than 20 exorcists in the US at this moment, but have heard that Italy has ~300.

An Exorcist I’ve met said that a fellow Exorcist had mentioned that once during an Exorcism the demon present taunted the Priest for using the New Rite saying it was ineffective… Then he remembered this was coming from the Father of lies.
 
CatholicCid said:
Every Diocesian Bishop should assign an exorcist, he does not have too. I believe there aren’t more than 20 exorcists in the US at this moment, but have heard that Italy has ~300.

An Exorcist I’ve met said that a fellow Exorcist had mentioned that once during an Exorcism the demon present taunted the Priest for using the New Rite saying it was ineffective… Then he remembered this was coming from the Father of lies.
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Well, was the exorcism working?

The devil has often been made to speak the truth during exorcisms. I’m not saying the New Rite is ineffective, I haven’t compared the two so I can’t really say much in this particular matter. Just throwing the thought out.
 
latinmasslover said:
No, it’s not. Jesus did not give the authority to cast out demons to all of His followers. He gave it to specific men.

Can you cite any Church document that says that a priest is *never *necessary, that we have *everything *needed to exorcise?
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And who would that man be?
 
Rather than wasting time searching for a church document that contradicts Scripture, which I have enough confidence in the papacy to feel fairly confident you won’t find, why don’t you read one of the books I recommended and learn to do some useful ministry?

More wisdom and prayer in our homes, churches and communities would be very useful to our churches.

Mark 16:17-18–authority over demons to all believers

Luke 10:19 Jesus speaking authority over demons to the disciples and seventy others
 
CatherineJones said:
Rather than wasting time searching for a church document that contradicts Scripture, which I have enough confidence in the papacy to feel fairly confident you won’t find, why don’t you read one of the books I recommended and learn to do some useful ministry?

More wisdom and prayer in our homes, churches and communities would be very useful to our churches.

Mark 16:17-18–authority over demons to all believers

Luke 10:19 Jesus speaking authority over demons to the disciples and seventy others
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So, you’re protestant. Need to correct your profile. A Church document that contradicts your interpretation of Scripture, an interpretation that is shared by those who have twisted the Scriptures since their founding which, hint hint, was not by Jesus.

Let’s not abuse the Scriptures by taking them out of context. The Bible was declared infallible by the *Catholic *Church.

2 St. Peter 3:16-17

As also in all *his *epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptuers, to their own destruction. You therefore, brethren, knowing these things before, take heed, lest being led aside by the error of the unwise, you fall from your own steadfastness.

Jesus didn’t come to establish a Bible. He established a Church, to teach in His Name. I recall Jesus saying that those who refuse to listen to the Church are to be treated as the publican…St. Paul in the Epistles says the same thing, and I’m pretty sure he says this more than once. If you like, I’ll get the passages for you. Dare I ask:

where does the Bible say that the Bible is the sole authority?

He wrote nothing for us, and He commanded no one to write anything. Look into the early writings of the Church to discover what was taught, the writings of those who knew Christ and who knew the Apostles. Look to the commentary of those who were inspired by God Himself to put a book together and declare it “His Word.” This is more reliable than any modern commentary.

We (the laity) do not have the authority that Jesus Christ bestowed on the 12; therefore we do not have everything necessary to exorcise. Jesus specifically bestows this authority on the 12 as well as the 72, but never on *all *His followers.

No one is saying that we’re to not pray in our homes and parishes…we’re to pray always, thus saith the Lord. This doesn’t mean that we have all authority.
 
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