A dream I had last night

[ABostonCatholic]

Last night I dreamed I was attending the TLM at my parish (which is offered on First Fridays). Rather than Gregorian Chant, we had a “Catholic hard rock band” that is sometimes seen at NO masses directed towards youth.

I remember that was seated in the front row, stood up and left in protest, then yelled at the priest saying, “how can you let this stuff [kinder word used] in here?”

Hopefully this dream will not be prophetic

 

[latinmasslover]

WHAT A NIGHTMARE!

I had a similarly horrifying dream several months ago. There’s no way to shorten it but I thought I’d post it anyway.

I went to Mass, the priest who was saying it was an actual Satanist, and was doing little things thoughout that made his lack of respect for Jesus obvious. I was kneeling near the front right with a small group of about 5 Catholics; we were all kneeling and weeping silently during the Sacrifice. On the left side of the aisle was a larger group of peope (in fact, most of the rows were filled). They were sitting, smiling, enjoying how Mass was being celebrated. Come time for Holy Communion we all went (thank God only the priest was distributing…but he now resembled a mix of the head pastor at our church-liberal-and Archbishop Bugnini.) As we’re not allowed to kneel for Communion, I made a quick genuflection, and he backed away with this wicked I-will-not-give-you-Communion-because-I-don’t-have-to smile. He continued to back up, I continued to follow, until he went into the Sanctuary. I then stopped an knelt while he (now looks like the Satanic priest again) purifies the vessels. He then dropped the remaining Hosts onto the altar, picked up a spear, and slammed it into the Eucharist, turning most of It to “dust” if you will. Two small Particals landed on the floor next to the altar, and he left. I then crawled on my hands and knees and picked up what I could with my tongue. After a prayer I asked the Lord’s pardon and stepped up behind the altar, seeing the smashed/crumbled Hosts laying on the altar linen. I looked out to the pews and saw a couple of people kneeling and praying, St. Mary Magdalene among them. I wanted to put Jesus away somewhere but, not being a priest, or even a man, knew my hands were not consecrated and therefore shouldn’t even touch Him. I looked to the right (it was as though I had X-ray vision at this point) because I saw Fr. Jorge (former associate pastor, strongly disliked by the head pastor and numerous parishoners) and thought “Aha! He’ll take care of this, and with reverence.” I thanked God and left to get him, then woke up. Praise be to God, he became my confessor/spiritual director, and even now (he’s transfered) is still “father” to my sister and me. Now THAT’S a nightmare!

 

[latinmasslover]

BTW, congratulations! How blessed you are, I can’t wait to be married and give birth to a little boy! (okay, maybe I’m not looking foward to the actual birth, lol; but still…) God Bless.

 

[ABostonCatholic]

Wow! Yours is by far the more frightening one! But nevertheless, I still think mine has the greater likelihood of being something that really occurs.

And thank you

 

[RedSoxFan]

Last night I dreamed I was attending the TLM at my parish (which is offered on First Fridays). Rather than Gregorian Chant, we had a “Catholic hard rock band” that is sometimes seen at NO masses directed towards youth.

I remember that was seated in the front row, stood up and left in protest, then yelled at the priest saying, “how can you let this stuff [kinder word used] in here?”

Hopefully this dream will not be prophetic

You mean Christ did not die to give us the Gospel of Rock!?!

I never really like all that corny stuff. I’m happy with things the way they are.

 

[neuro_nurse]

The harmony of signs (song, music, words, and actions) is all the more expressive and fruitful when expressed in the cultural richness of the People of God who celebrate. CCC 1158

While rock may not express your ‘cultural richness,’ I don’t see exclusion of any particular genre of music intended.

 

[ABostonCatholic]

While rock may not express your ‘cultural richness,’ I don’t see exclusion of any particular genre of music intended.

I disagree. Some music, especially of the “heavy metal” or “death metal” variety is pretty bad in and of itself, even if there are no words sung. Perhaps that’s an extreme example. I haven’t heard of any reports of anything like THAT being at Mass, yet…

Here’s a video of a death metal concert. Believe it or not, I once went to shows like this,.

Surely, I hope you wouldn’t say that THAT genre of music shouldn’t be excluded…

but as I said, perhaps that is an extreme example

 

[neuro_nurse]

Yeah, I think it would be tough to adapt ‘death metal’ to the liturgy, but at what point to you cross the line from ‘rock’ to ‘metal?’ It seems pretty subjective to me.

There was a time when the tritone (augmented 4th/diminished 5th) was called “the devil in music.” Use a dominant 7th and you were playing the devil’s music. There was a time when the guitar was considered vulgar - associated with the public houses and drinking.

Is it okay for me to play my electric bass in church? If I can play my J-bass, then how about my Telecaster? Maybe I like a little distortion on my electric guitar – at what point am I playing rock music? Drums – yes or no?

Anyway, ever since Bach the Protestants have beaten us in the music department.

 

[latinmasslover]

The traditional music needs to be restored and the only music used for Mass. Outside of Mass, using Christian rock isn’t a real problem. The Mass is a solemn event, not a party. The music helps to set the mood; when the music is not reverential, it’s difficult to keep the devotional mindset.

 

[neuro_nurse]

The traditional music needs to be restored and the only music used for Mass. Outside of Mass, using Christian rock isn’t a real problem. The Mass is a solemn event, not a party. The music helps to set the mood; when the music is not reverential, it’s difficult to keep the devotional mindset.

Which tradition?

 

[ABostonCatholic]

Yeah, I think it would be tough to adapt ‘death metal’ to the liturgy, but at what point to you cross the line from ‘rock’ to ‘metal?’ It seems pretty subjective to me.

There was a time when the tritone (augmented 4th/diminished 5th) was called “the devil in music.” Use a dominant 7th and you were playing the devil’s music. There was a time when the guitar was considered vulgar - associated with the public houses and drinking.

Is it okay for me to play my electric bass in church? If I can play my J-bass, then how about my Telecaster? Maybe I like a little distortion on my electric guitar – at what point am I playing rock music? Drums – yes or no?

Anyway, ever since Bach the Protestants have beaten us in the music department.

A lot of it depends on the cultural context of the music. Rock-and the instruments typically associated with it-are also typically associated with “sex and drugs.” I’d keep guitars and electric bases out of Mass altogether.

We expect this in other situations, too. If we go to New Orleans, we want to hear jazz, not Gregorian Chant or Mozart. It works both ways. Sacred music for sacred places, secular music for secular places.

 

[neuro_nurse]

We expect this in other situations, too. If we go to New Orleans, we want to hear jazz, not Gregorian Chant or Mozart. It works both ways. Sacred music for sacred places, secular music for secular places.

I live in New Orleans and I attend mass at Our Lady of Guadalupe on Rampart. I go there, even though it’s about 5 miles from my house and there are other Catholic Churches within walking distance, because of the music!

I’d say the majority of the music is closer to gospel than anything else, but the musical director throws in some classical music, some jazz, and I swear I’ve heard her throw in some good old 70’s funk from time to time.

I have never been to a Catholic church I’ve enjoyed more, where I’ve felt a more strong sense of community, and spiritual connectedness than Our Lady of Guadalupe. Besides, I’m tired of going to ‘white’ churches - the racial mix is a lot more representative of the population of New Orleans than any other church I’ve been to.

Take it or leave it, but you’d have a hard sell trying to change the music here.

 

[kleary]

Last night I dreamed I was attending the TLM at my parish (which is offered on First Fridays). Rather than Gregorian Chant, we had a “Catholic hard rock band” that is sometimes seen at NO masses directed towards youth.

I remember that was seated in the front row, stood up and left in protest, then yelled at the priest saying, “how can you let this stuff [kinder word used] in here?”

Hopefully this dream will not be prophetic

You sound like me leaving the parish I was baptized at…

Anyway I do not think you have anything to worry about. Those priests who want to say the TLM along with those faithful who want to attend it, do not want anything post 1962. The liberals who like all that junk mentioned DO NOT like the TLM. There is no room in the TLM for any of that “junk”.

Ken

 

[water]

Last night I dreamed I was attending the TLM at my parish (which is offered on First Fridays). Rather than Gregorian Chant, we had a “Catholic hard rock band” that is sometimes seen at NO masses directed towards youth.

I remember that was seated in the front row, stood up and left in protest, then yelled at the priest saying, “how can you let this stuff [kinder word used] in here?”

Hopefully this dream will not be prophetic

Hope not for you commit a sin of drawing attentions to yourself during mass.

 

[latinmasslover]

I live in New Orleans and I attend mass at Our Lady of Guadalupe on Rampart. I go there, even though it’s about 5 miles from my house and there are other Catholic Churches within walking distance, because of the music!

I’d say the majority of the music is closer to gospel than anything else, but the musical director throws in some classical music, some jazz, and I swear I’ve heard her throw in some good old 70’s funk from time to time.

I have never been to a Catholic church I’ve enjoyed more, where I’ve felt a more strong sense of community, and spiritual connectedness than Our Lady of Guadalupe. Besides, I’m tired of going to ‘white’ churches - the racial mix is a lot more representative of the population of New Orleans than any other church I’ve been to.

Take it or leave it, but you’d have a hard sell trying to change the music here.

But the Mass is not a social get-together, it’s time to focus on God, and on God alone. Sacred music for the Sacred Sacrifice. It doesn’t matter who surrounds you; everyone’s focus is supposed to be on what is going on at the altar. A social event is another matter, but anything other than traditional sacred music is inappropriate.

 

[rwoehmke]

But the Mass is not a social get-together, it’s time to focus on God, and on God alone. Sacred music for the Sacred Sacrifice. It doesn’t matter who surrounds you; everyone’s focus is supposed to be on what is going on at the altar. A social event is another matter, but anything other than traditional sacred music is inappropriate.

I suppose it depends on how one defines social. If it isn’t social is it supposed to be anti-social?

To cast the Mass as solely a sacrifice involving just me and Jesus or God alone as you put it seems to me to rob the Mass of its deep, rich, total significance not only as sacrifice, but as an action involving the total Body of Christ, the Mystical Body of all, including those who have gone before us. Certainly not social as in attending a stage play or a concert, but social in that it involves the whole Mystical Body with Christ as its head. Truly a sacrifice being offered by the entire Church 24/7 here on earth and in heaven above. The time to be one on one with Jesus is at Mass after Communion, in the adoration chapel, before the tabernacle outside of Mass, or before the Crucifix, etc.

Yes the Music should be appropriate to the occasion.

 

[latinmasslover]

I suppose it depends on how one defines social. If it isn’t social is it supposed to be anti-social?

To cast the Mass as solely a sacrifice involving just me and Jesus or God alone as you put it seems to me to rob the Mass of its deep, rich, total significance not only as sacrifice, but as an action involving the total Body of Christ, the Mystical Body of all, including those who have gone before us. Certainly not social as in attending a stage play or a concert, but social in that it involves the whole Mystical Body with Christ as its head. Truly a sacrifice being offered by the entire Church 24/7 here on earth and in heaven above. The time to be one on one with Jesus is at Mass after Communion, in the adoration chapel, before the tabernacle outside of Mass, or before the Crucifix, etc.

Yes the Music should be appropriate to the occasion.

All I meant was that our focus should be on God vs. our neigbor during the Mass. One hour a week to focus on Him and Him alone. So many abuses go on today that make the Mass into one little party, which it isn’t. It’s a solemn event, and the people need to behave as such, which you seem to agree with. After Mass (and a proper thanksgiving) we should spend time together as a community, or on an appointed day during the week for fellowship, but not during the Mass. Saints were rebuked severely by their Guardian Angels for removing their focus from the altar during Mass, even if only momentarily. Outside of Mass, mix! Catholic communities definitely could work on this. But during the Mass in altogether different.

 

[The_Truthinator]

I once had a dream that I was being force-fed meat. Me being vegetarian, it was horrific.

Anyhoo…

 

[stringbeanduck]

Our church has bongo drums in it. Its not a full nightmare but still is a bit disturbing for me.

 

[The_Truthinator]

I once saw a sinner at church. But I wasn’t sure if it was or not at first. I didn’t have my glasses with me, you see. So I went up to the elderly man and politely asked, “Ecuse me. Are you a sinner, sir?” He took a minute to answer, probably trying to remember. He replied, “Yes…” I said, “Thank you. That’s what I thought, but I wasn’t sure,” and walked away.

He kept shooting me odd looks during the Liturgy and shook his fist at me during the sign of peace. I waved.