A few questions about attending the Divine Liturgy

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Contra_Mundum said:
I would really appreciate if this thread didn’t go into this direction. No need to turn my rather straightforward set of questions into a kind of political debate. Thanks.
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Thanks for the reminder. When are you hoping to attend? I’m looking forward to hearing your impressions.

Elizabeth
 
WetCatechumen said:
A note on naming:

Missa is merely Latin slang meaning “Eucharistic Liturgy”.
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Just to clarify, the Latin missa= “dismissed”. Calling the Roman Rite of the Latin Church the “Mass” derives from “Ite, missa est” = “Go, you are dismissed” spoken to the faithful at the end of the Mass. 🙂

"Liturgy (leitourgia) is a Greek composite word meaning originally a public duty." I have often heard it translated by clergy and catechists of the Latin Church as “the work of the people”.
While is it a bit of a misnomer to refer to an Eastern Catholic Divine Liturgy as an Eastern Catholic Mass, it’s still correct in that Mass means “Eucharistic Liturgy.”
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I think it’s most common, at least in the US, to see the Divine Liturgy referred to as the “Mass” among Chaldean and Assyrians Catholics.
… whereas “Mass” means the Liturgy of Paul VI.
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The Roman Rite of the Latin Church promulgated by Pope Paul VI in 1969 which is the Ordinary Form of the Mass today, Roman Rite of the Latin Church promulgated by the Pope Pius V which is the Extraordinary Form of the Mass today and the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom are three liturgies which include the Holy Eucharist. There are various other liturgies which do not include Holy Eucharist, the most familiar perhaps being the The Liturgy of the Hours or Divine Office. Other Rites of the Latin Church might and do also use the term “Mass”, for example the Dominican Rite Solemn Mass.
So each one can be used as an overarching term, and the English word Mass is incredibly convenient for this because it’s monosyllabic. However, it’s best to be specific and call Byzantine services “Divine Liturgy”.
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It’s best to call the Eucharistic Liturgy of the Byzantine Churches the Divine Liturgy because that is the name of the Liturgy and is what we call it. 🙂 Using another word for it because a single syllable word is “convenient” for someone really isn’t helpful. I’m picking on this because beginning with the Second Vatican Council any attempts by the Latin Church to encourage any so-called Latinizations, in language or in praxis, is to be actively discouraged.
 
Stephentlig said:
Archimandrite Fr.Serge gave me a translation of the DL in Ukrainain/English, and in the Creed we do say ‘‘proccedeth from the Father and the Son.’’

Eastern Catholics in communion with Rome do say it this way.
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The last time I checked, there was no “…and the Son” in the Creed.
 
5Loaves said:
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I think it’s most common, at least in the US, to see the Divine Liturgy referred to as the “Mass” among Chaldean and Assyrians Catholics.
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It’s best to call the Eucharistic Liturgy of the Byzantine Churches the Divine Liturgy because that is the name of the Liturgy and is what we call it. 🙂 Using another word for it because a single syllable word is “convenient” for someone really isn’t helpful. I’m picking on this because beginning with the Second Vatican Council any attempts by the Latin Church to encourage any so-called Latinizations, in language or in praxis, is to be actively discouraged.
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I am not sure of the terminology used by Russian Catholics, but for Greek Catholics from Austria-Hungary, services were called, po nashemo, “services” or “divine services”. The word “mass” was picked up during our early years in the US, as the convenient, pre-formed English word to replace the terminology in our language. But “services” and “divine services” were also used fairly commonly. In recent times it has become more popular to speak of the “Liturgy” (among Latins too). But there isn’t a thing wrong with “mass”, and I do think that it is, in any meaningful sense a Latinization.
 
Stephentlig said:
Archimandrite Fr.Serge gave me a translation of the DL in Ukrainain/English, and in the Creed we do say ‘‘proccedeth from the Father and the Son.’’
Eastern Catholics in communion with Rome do say it this way.
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It’s very unexpected that you were given a copy of the Creed for current use in an Eastern Catholic Church that contains “…proceeds from the Father and the Son…” In old prayer books from 1955 when my parish was established the Creed has the standard Eastern Catholic and Orthodox “…proceeds from the Father, Who with the Father and the Son…” We don’t have service books in the parish these days but do have the Creed along with the prayer before Communion available for visitors. It reads "…proceeds from the Father, ". I have heard people say they have seen service books where the filioque is present in the Creed but has either been crossed out as wynd mentioned seeing, or in another way blocked out.

(The other distinction at this time is that we pray “I believe in one God…” The Roman Rite currently prays “We believe in one God.” With the Revised Roman Missal, to be introduced in late 2011 the Latin Church will return to praying “Credo”= “I pray”.)
 
dvdjs said:
I am not sure of the terminology used by Russian Catholics, but for Greek Catholics from Austria-Hungary, services were called, po nashemo, “services” or “divine services”.The word “mass” was picked up during our early years in the US…But there isn’t a thing wrong with “mass”, and I do think that it is, in any meaningful sense a Latinization.
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Since missa is the Latin word in the dismissal of the faithful in the Latin Church Roman Rite, “Ite, missa est”, to me it is a perhaps unconscious/unintended Latinization but I’m happy to agree to disagree. 🙂 I’ve understood as you say it’s mainly something in the US. I’ve definitely seen the use of “divine services” in the local Greek Orthodox Church over the years. My exposure to Russian Orthodox is more recent and I don’t see it used here these days but it may well have been in use earlier, and still be in use in other places. Thanks for that reminder.
 
Aramis said:
Eastern Catholics are not supposed to use the filioque; adding it was a latinization, one supposed to be dropped. Individual parishes might still be using it, but it’s not the “norm.”
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This depends on where you live.

Eastern Catholics in North America have stopped using “And the Son” as part of the Creed but it is still in use in Ukraine.
 
babochka said:
Thanks for the reminder. When are you hoping to attend? I’m looking forward to hearing your impressions.

Elizabeth
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I don’t think I’ll be able to go on the 2 following sundays but perhaps the one after. I’ve made notes with all the advice and directions given here so I’m prepared (hopefully). A friend of mine will probably be interested in this so I’ll invite him to come along. My husband is also curious. He’s a non-practicing Protestant with a growing admiration for Catholicism. He’s coping well with the traditional Latin Mass we attend and is not afraid of new liturgical challenges 😉

I’m now really curious about the ‘Father and the Son’ situation in the Creed as well 😃 Will report about that too.
 
Contra_Mundum said:
I don’t think I’ll be able to go on the 2 following sundays but perhaps the one after. I’ve made notes with all the advice and directions given here so I’m prepared (hopefully). A friend of mine will probably be interested in this so I’ll invite him to come along. My husband is also curious. He’s a non-practicing Protestant with a growing admiration for Catholicism. He’s coping well with the traditional Latin Mass we attend and is not afraid of new liturgical challenges 😉

I’m now really curious about the ‘Father and the Son’ situation in the Creed as well 😃 Will report about that too.
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Just relax, forget about following along in the book.

Just take it in. It’s not something that you can ‘do wrong’.
 
Eastern Catholics in North America have stopped using “And the Son” as part of the Creed but it is still in use in Ukraine.
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Maybe amongst the Society of St. Josaphat adherents. The more recent pew books printed for use in Ukraine (either Svichado or the Archeparchy of L’viv versions) have it ommitted.
 
Diak said:
Maybe amongst the Society of St. Josaphat adherents. The more recent pew books printed for use in Ukraine (either Svichado or the Archeparchy of L’viv versions) have it ommitted.
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Thanks Diak, I stand corrected. I have friends from Kosmach and Kolomija and they said they still sing “and the Son” during the Creed.
 
I just wanted to add that I also appreciate all these responses…since I was likely going to post similar questions. I have a friend who doesn’t seem to enjoy going to his normal Roman Catholic parish(es) anymore, and he just recently found out he is part Ukrainian, so he has started going every other week to a Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church near a relative he visits. He and I were talking and he said I am welcome to join him, and, although I’m excited, I’m not entirely sure what to expect. This thread has helped me a lot also…so thanks again to everyone!
 
BusterMartin said:
I just wanted to add that I also appreciate all these responses…since I was likely going to post similar questions. I have a friend who doesn’t seem to enjoy going to his normal Roman Catholic parish(es) anymore, and he just recently found out he is part Ukrainian, so he has started going every other week to a Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church near a relative he visits. He and I were talking and he said I am welcome to join him, and, although I’m excited, I’m not entirely sure what to expect. This thread has helped me a lot also…so thanks again to everyone!
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Since you’re in SCPA, you may want to check out St. Anne’s in Harrisburg. An absolutely gorgeous church who’s ikons were done by a Master ikonographer…
 
Patchunky said:
Since you’re in SCPA, you may want to check out St. Anne’s in Harrisburg. An absolutely gorgeous church who’s ikons were done by a Master ikonographer…
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You know, when I was looking for a home late last summer/early fall I looked at a couple right by that church. I drove by and saw the church from the road and had no idea what church it was…I only knew it looked interesting. I might have to stop in and check that out sometime…thanks for the heads up!

Is there a list online of the various Byzantine Catholic churches in that area? I don’t have time to look now, but I’ll certainly look later if no one already is aware and can direct me.
 
I don’t have a list for anywhere back East, but did find a list of Eastern Catholic parishes around the San Francisco Bay.
byzantinecatholic.org/Community/OtherEast.html

I have yet to visit any of them as I rarely visit when I’m not already preoccupied with other purposes. I am also thinking about finding an Eastern church to visit whenever I go on vacation. I’d have to find a church, anyway. 😃
 
BusterMartin said:
You know, when I was looking for a home late last summer/early fall I looked at a couple right by that church. I drove by and saw the church from the road and had no idea what church it was…I only knew it looked interesting. I might have to stop in and check that out sometime…thanks for the heads up!

Is there a list online of the various Byzantine Catholic churches in that area? I don’t have time to look now, but I’ll certainly look later if no one already is aware and can direct me.
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Here you go…

eparchyofpassaic.com/pa.htm

St. Anne’s has an AWESOME festival every year in the end of July for St. Anne’s Feast Day. They great food and church tours…
 
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