a few quick questions

[catholicsaint]

Hi everyone and good evening. I have some questions regarding correct behaviour before going to church and such. I hope someone could kindly answer my questions please.

1. Is it wrong to have 3 or 4 glasses of beer or wine and directly after go to church to pray and recieve holy comunion and stay for the whole mass in the church.
2. what is the defintion of being drunk by a christans standards ?
3. How much wine does the preist drink at the sacarment of communion ??
   Is it a full glass of wine or a half glass of wine ?
4. Are you allowed to eat or use your cell phone in church or when mass is in progress ?
5. When our lord jesus christ made water into wine at the wedding he attended in biblical times, was it so people could get drunk ? did jesus get drunk ? And finally what is the reason God blessed wine for since it can be very addictive and dangerous ?

Excuse my spelling please.
catholic saint.

 

[1ke]

Well Catholic saint, what do you think the answers are to these questions?

 

[catholicsaint]

Honestly i dont know

 

[Sunbreak]

Hi everyone and good evening. I have some questions regarding correct behaviour before going to church and such. I hope someone could kindly answer my questions please.

1. Is it wrong to have 3 or 4 glasses of beer or wine and directly after go to church to pray and recieve holy comunion and stay for the whole mass in the church.
   It depends. Are you sober after 3 or 4 glasses of beer or wine? I would be impaired after 2 glasses. Is there still 1 hour before your last food or drink that 's required for communion?
2. what is the defintion of being drunk by a christans standards ?
   Well, as they say in the tv commercial - buzzed driving is drunk driving so if you’re buzzed, you’re drunk or on your way there.
3. How much wine does the preist drink at the sacarment of communion ??
   Is it a full glass of wine or a half glass of wine ?
   It would vary by place and by priest.
4. Are you allowed to eat or use your cell phone in church or when mass is in progress ?
   No, eating is not okay. Using your cell phone would be rude and inappropriate.
5. When our lord jesus christ made water into wine at the wedding he attended in biblical times, was it so people could get drunk ? did jesus get drunk ? And finally what is the reason God blessed wine for since it can be very addictive and dangerous ? No one knows why Jesus changed water into wine except because his mother asked him to and to prevent the host’s embarrassment at running out. We don’t know if he got drunk. Most anything can be addictive and dangerous if overused - even plain water, so it’s up to us to use common sense when imbibing.

Excuse my spelling please.
catholic saint.

 

[catholicsaint]

thank you sun break

 

[Confiteor_Deo]

It would be wrong to drink alcohol before Mass & Communion if it violated the fast or if you became intoxicated. I would say that it would be disrespectful to go to Mass if you were just buzzed, so it depends on your tolerance whether that amount of alcohol is permissible prior to Mass. You are considered drunk once you cannot distinguish between right and wrong and you have no control over your actions (you have lost the use of reason).

The priest usually doesn’t pour very much wine into the chalice. I doubt that it is even half of the chalice most of the time. It would be a sin to eat in the church or to use your cell phone because it is disrespectful to Our Lord and distracts ourselves and others. This excludes the need to eat a small bit for health reasons if necessary.

When Our Lord converted water into wine upon the request of the Blessed Virgin, it was not so people could get drunk. Our Lord did not become drunk since drunkenness is sinful and God cannot sin. People can become addicted to anything at all, but just because people become addicted to something or are able to misuse it doesn’t make it wrong. Alcohol, while some people may abuse it, is often used in moderation and can even be good for our health (wine especially).

 

[thistle]

Hi everyone and good evening. I have some questions regarding correct behaviour before going to church and such. I hope someone could kindly answer my questions please.

1. Is it wrong to have 3 or 4 glasses of beer or wine and directly after go to church to pray and recieve holy comunion and stay for the whole mass in the church.
2. what is the defintion of being drunk by a christans standards ?
3. How much wine does the preist drink at the sacarment of communion ??
   Is it a full glass of wine or a half glass of wine ?
4. Are you allowed to eat or use your cell phone in church or when mass is in progress ?
5. When our lord jesus christ made water into wine at the wedding he attended in biblical times, was it so people could get drunk ? did jesus get drunk ? And finally what is the reason God blessed wine for since it can be very addictive and dangerous ?

Excuse my spelling please.
catholic saint.

Modern Catholic Dictionary:

DRUNKENNESS. Overindulgence in alcoholic beverages. On Catholic moral principles, the degree of sinfulness in excessive drinking depends on how this excess is known to affect this particular drinker. It is a grave matter if it is foreseen that this drink will cause one to lose the use of one’s senses or will put one in such a state that he or she is no longer able to distinguish right from wrong. It is a venial matter if one has reason for believing that this amount of drinking, though actually excessive, will neither deprive one of the use of one’s senses or of the power to distinguish right from wrong.

 

[Deo_Gratias42]

Sunbreak:
Actually, we do know that Jesus did not get drunk. Jesus, being God, never committed any sin and had perfect use of his reason, so he wouldn’t have ever drank to excess.

 

[peter26]

1. Is it wrong to have 3 or 4 glasses of beer or wine and directly after go to church to pray and recieve holy comunion and stay for the whole mass in the church.

The exact quantity is a matter of judgement and how alcohol affects you. But even assuming you are okay for the Eucharistic fast due to the length of the Mass, I would say that would be enough to make most people “tipsy”. Being intoxicated makes you not properly disposed to receive Jesus in the Eucharist, not necessarily because its a sin (which would depend on the quantity and how it affects you) but because you will not in this state be focused on what you are receiving (I would apply the same if you are overly distracted by anything improper at Mass e.g. passing impure thoughts can be an issue for me sometimes even at Mass. If overly distracted, I don’t receive).

1. what is the defintion of being drunk by a christans standards ?

I would say what thistle posted is quite a good working definition.

1. How much wine does the preist drink at the sacarment of communion ??
   Is it a full glass of wine or a half glass of wine ?

I’m a sacristan so I can tell you how much wine is set out for consecration. We use a jug to hold the wine which is probably in total equivalent to about one full glass of wine. On a Sunday/vigil, that is maybe half full, perhaps two thirds full. In the week, probably one eighth full at most. The priest receives himself (a sip) at the consecration, then drinks whatever is left over. Bottom line, half a glass of wine at most, most days probably less than that.

1. Are you allowed to eat or use your cell phone in church or when mass is in progress ?

Obviously exceptions for emergencies or if you need to eat for health reasons, but otherwise no. Both are irreverent and can be distracting for others.

1. When our lord jesus christ made water into wine at the wedding he attended in biblical times, was it so people could get drunk ? did jesus get drunk ? And finally what is the reason God blessed wine for since it can be very addictive and dangerous ?

No, it was a symbol of his miraculous power, a foreshadowing of transubstantiation (the turning of bread and wine into his Precious Body and Blood in the Eucharist) and at the intercession of his Blessed Mother. It is one of a number of occasions also that Jesus provides for people’s physical needs (along with the feeding of the 5,000). Bear in mind also that this was a wedding, and the 6 stone jugs 20 or 30 gallons of wine each (I believe those numbers are right from memory) would have been for a large number, probably hundreds of guests. It was also of course a special occasion. But we know Jesus did not get drunk, as that would be a sin. For the same reason, we know that Mary did not get drunk at the wedding. Others may have. That is really on them. Jesus provided the wine, which could be consumed in moderation. If some chose to have too much, that was their responsibility.

 

[KKM]

In Jesus’ time wine was consumed because clean water was a lot harder to come by. And OP, most of your questions reflect on rude behavior - do you know someone who is showing up to mass intoxicated? Are you seeing people eat during mass or use their cell phone?

 

[catholicsaint]

Thank you all for good answers. extremely appreciated my freinds.

What do you think of bars and night clubs ?

are these places right for catholic men and woman too meet since maybe most people would have a lot to drink !!

I myself often wonder what are lord jesus christ would think of bars and night clubs ?

In my opinion i think bars and night clubs can lead to a lot of distractions. But maybe iam wrong. I feel the most best place to have a drink is in my home or a freinds house. Just my 2 cents on the issue.

catholic saint.

 

[catholicsaint]

KKM,

good point. no you are correct it does not happen. Just i wondered that is all. Thank you for response my freind. God bless you

 

[peter26]

What do you think of bars and night clubs?

They seem to have two purposes: excessive drinking and meeting up for casual sex. Both of these are mortal sins. So at the least, occasions of sin.

 

[catholicsaint]

peter26 ,

So in your opinon should there be some avenues in the church so catholics can have freinships and meet. What i mean is should men and woman rely on the local catholic church to arrange like a meeting between both sexes. Maybe people might feel its a good way. Good point you made peter 26 earlier. Thank you for your answer. I think it would be cool if the church extended to helping people find love. Just my opinon. lol

 

[Vico]

Thank you all for good answers. extremely appreciated my freinds.

What do you think of bars and night clubs ?

are these places right for catholic men and woman too meet since maybe most people would have a lot to drink !!

I myself often wonder what are lord jesus christ would think of bars and night clubs ?

In my opinion i think bars and night clubs can lead to a lot of distractions. But maybe iam wrong. I feel the most best place to have a drink is in my home or a freinds house. Just my 2 cents on the issue.

catholic saint.

Perfect question for the Baltimore Catechism No. 3:

Q. 774. How many kinds of occasions of sin are there?

A. There are four kinds of occasions of sin:

1. Near occasions, through which we always fall;
2. Remote occasions, through which we sometimes fall;
3. Voluntary occasions or those we can avoid; and
4. Involuntary occasions or those we cannot avoid. A person who lives in a near and voluntary occasion of sin need not expect forgiveness while he continues in that state.

Q. 775. What persons, places and things are usually occasions of sin?

A.

1. The persons who are occasions of sin are all those in whose company we sin, whether they be bad of themselves or bad only while in our company, in which case we also become occasions of sin for them;
2. The places are usually liquor saloons, low theaters, indecent dances, entertainments, amusements, exhibitions, and all immoral resorts of any kind, whether we sin in them or not;
3. The things are all bad books, indecent pictures, songs, jokes and the like, even when they are tolerated by public opinion and found in public places.