A French bishop denounced HB Gregorios

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Wow that is huge and may be very detrimental to the Melkites and all the Catholics in syria and the whole Middle Eastern Region.
I always thought that war was bad and always condemned, not to sure if there are any circumstances to this evaluation and im in no place to call a Patriarch or a Bishop right or wrong, leave it in God’s Hands and he will watch over His Church in the longrun,
 
In the spirit of collegiality I think it would be fair if the bishop of Rome turns over this feisty French bishop to the Melkite Synod and let them decide what becomes of him.
 
This particularl French Bishop should defer to the Bishop who actually lives in the country. Could just be, he may have a better grasp of what’s going on there.
 
France has traditionally had a better grasp of the situation in the Levant (and the Middle East in general) than the other so-called Western Powers. Traditionally, that is, but far less so during the reign of François I. (NB: I have no intention of elaborating on that in this thread or elsewhere, but both the Levantines and francophiles on the board will know exactly what I mean.) Considering the tradition, it is, in a way, surprising that a French bishop would mouth-off in such a vile way, but this incident leads me to guess at “Bishop X’s” political affiliation. :mad:
 
Very sad. Initially I hoped that Bishop Dagens was being misrepresented – that his statement Patriarch Laham is “un allié, politiquement et financièrement” (an ally, politically and financially) of Bashar al-Assad was not meant as an attack, which the Tablet portrayed it as. However, subsequent statements from Msgr. Dagens have not been encouraging.
 
In the spirit of collegiality I think it would be fair if the bishop of Rome turns over this feisty French bishop to the Melkite Synod and let them decide what becomes of him.
The Melkite synod has no jurisdiction nor authority to judge him due to his unfortunate out lash against HB Gregory III Laham. Let the Roman Church deal with its bishops
 
Moral of the story, do not interfere with what happens in other countries. It seems like people want to self designate themselves advisers and instructors of every other nation when they cannot even get their own state to hear them out.
It is always easier to raise other people’s children. 😉
 
The Melkite synod has no jurisdiction nor authority to judge him due to his unfortunate out lash against HB Gregory III Laham. Let the Roman Church deal with its bishops
Rome has seen fit to reject and depose our validly elected patriarchs and bishops and imposed their own choices in the past. If the Roman church can meddle in things that don’t concern them then why can’t an Eastern Church enact justice against someone who has wronged them?

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The Melkite synod has no jurisdiction nor authority to judge him due to his unfortunate out lash against HB Gregory III Laham. Let the Roman Church deal with its bishops
By the same token, the French bishop should shut up and sit down, as it is not his place to tell anyone outside of his jurisdiction what’s what, and his jurisdiction includes exactly 0 km of Syria.
 
Rome has seen fit to reject and depose our validly elected patriarchs and bishops and imposed their own choices in the past. If the Roman church can meddle in things that don’t concern them then why can’t an Eastern Church enact justice against someone who has wronged them?

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All that individual sui iuris Churches are allowed to do in response to another sui iuris Church’s actions is to excommunicate the individual. This should only be done as a last resort to fight heretics and very immoral people. 😉
By the same token, the French bishop should shut up and sit down, as it is not his place to tell anyone outside of his jurisdiction what’s what, and his jurisdiction includes exactly 0 km of Syria.
Yes. I am tired of bishops acting like they are politicians and must comment on everything another bishop does.
 
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In the spirit of collegiality I think it would be fair if the bishop of Rome turns over this feisty French bishop to the Melkite Synod and let them decide what becomes of him.
Interesting. I thought Denho’s suggestion sounded pretty ultramontane.
 
Rome has seen fit to reject and depose our validly elected patriarchs and bishops and imposed their own choices in the past. If the Roman church can meddle in things that don’t concern them then why can’t an Eastern Church enact justice against someone who has wronged them?

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Why Rome can do what they did? Rome has primacy which entails its supremacy and its bishop has the authority to do what he did.(Universal jurisdiction)

Why the Melkites cant? Because they have no authority or jurisdiction

Not to sound triumphalist but this is the fact of the matter. He is a ROMAN bishop, NOT Melkite… Hence a Melkite synod has no authority to judge him

But don’t get it twisted… I too believe this French bishop ws wrong and should apologise
 
By the same token, the French bishop should shut up and sit down, as it is not his place to tell anyone outside of his jurisdiction what’s what, and his jurisdiction includes exactly 0 km of Syria.
Who’s fighting you on this? Certainly not me:confused:
 
Why Rome can do what they did? Rome has primacy which entails its supremacy and its bishop has the authority to do what he did.(Universal jurisdiction)
And in so doing, Rome tramples upon tradition, not to mention its own patronizing, and obviously empty and meaningless, words. But who cares? We’re only Orientals. :rolleyes: :mad:

In a nutshell, though, there we have what is probably the major reason why there will NOT be a reconciliation (I will not use “reunion” which I consider to be a misnomer) with either the OO or EO. Until such time as 1870 is formally and officially reinterpreted, such a reconciliation will NEVER happen.
But don’t get it twisted… I too believe this French bishop ws wrong and should apologise
Bishop X should be severely disciplined and even removed from his See. Do we really need another useless apology?
 
And in so doing, Rome tramples upon tradition, not to mention its own patronizing, and obviously empty and meaningless, words. But who cares? We’re only Orientals. :rolleyes: :mad:
Tramples upon an fictional tradition, yeah. But in reality, Universal jurisdiction of the Roman bishop is a tradition of the Roman church and the catholic church. It has been claimed by many popes from early times. But lets not derail the thread now. Fact of the matter is Rome actually has the authority to do what they did.
a nutshell, though, there we have what is probably the major reason why there will NOT be a reconciliation (I will not use “reunion” which I consider to be a misnomer) with either the OO or EO. Until such time as 1870 is formally and officially reinterpreted, such a reconciliation will NEVER happen.
Well as far as the prophecies of the saints go, reunion is gonna happen without any theological concession from the Catholic Church.
Bishop X should be severely disciplined and ** removed from his See.** Do we really need another useless apology?
Emotional much?🤷 he hasn’t taught heresy or tampered with the faith which is in keeping with his duty as a bishop. Disciplined, yes… Removed from his see? No…
 
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