A Gay Marriage question

[Rau]

…with our modern understanding of homosexuality,.

What is the “modern understanding” to which you refer, and what are its implications?

 

[JD1789]

Hi,
I’m hoping to attend RCIA this winter and become a Catholic, but I have sort of a dilemma.

I am a Christian, my family is protestant.(I want to convert to Catholicism,I don’t attend a protestant church). I think gay marriage is morally wrong. I also support legalizing gay marriage. Because I recognize that the US Government governs using the constitution and not the Bible.

Will i still be able to become a Catholic? Isn’t it like forbidden for those who support gay marriage to become one? I am open minded so if you can provide an argument to convince me feel free.

Here is a simple argument:

1. Children do best when raised in their natural environment with all other factors being equal (food, shelter, education, etc.)
2. A child’s natural environment includes their biological mother and father or as close to that as possible.
3. Every child has a right to his or her mother and father and every mother and father has a responsibility to raise that child.
4. The government only has an interest in marriage because marriage provides a stable environment for children to be raised.
5. Children are the futur of society and the most vulnerable of the population, so the government should protect the rights of the child.
6. Legalizing gay marriage, and consequently removing a child’s rights to a mother and father according to the natural order, is wrong.
7. Marriage with no intention of having and raising children should not be recognized by the government because there is nothing productive to society in this setting. It is an entirely different realm of rights.
8. This is also why I think contraception lead to no-fault divorce, which lead to the current legalization of so called gay marriage.

Children’s rights have been trampled upon because sex, marriage, and procreation are no longer seen as connected. Marriage is no longer connected to the raising of children in a balanced, stable environment that respects the natural rights given to each child.

On a side note, This is also why I support civil unions that are completely disconnected from marriage. These should include any two people who wish to support each other in life. Ie: two widowed women in their 80’s with no family could enter into a civil union where they would be able to give each other the right to determine medical care and other such decisions that the closest kin would be able to make.

I apologize for the possible confusing nature of this post. Hopefully my ideas were conveyed and you are able to think through them and see if you agree!

 

[frangiuliano115]

Here is a simple argument:

1. Children do best when raised in their natural environment with all other factors being equal (food, shelter, education, etc.)
2. A child’s natural environment includes their biological mother and father or as close to that as possible.
3. Every child has a right to his or her mother and father and every mother and father has a responsibility to raise that child.
4. The government only has an interest in marriage because marriage provides a stable environment for children to be raised.
5. Children are the futur of society and the most vulnerable of the population, so the government should protect the rights of the child.
6. Legalizing gay marriage, and consequently removing a child’s rights to a mother and father according to the natural order, is wrong.
7. Marriage with no intention of having and raising children should not be recognized by the government because there is nothing productive to society in this setting. It is an entirely different realm of rights.
8. This is also why I think contraception lead to no-fault divorce, which lead to the current legalization of so called gay marriage.

Children’s rights have been trampled upon because sex, marriage, and procreation are no longer seen as connected. Marriage is no longer connected to the raising of children in a balanced, stable environment that respects the natural rights given to each child.

On a side note, This is also why I support civil unions that are completely disconnected from marriage. These should include any two people who wish to support each other in life. Ie: two widowed women in their 80’s with no family could enter into a civil union where they would be able to give each other the right to determine medical care and other such decisions that the closest kin would be able to make.

I apologize for the possible confusing nature of this post. Hopefully my ideas were conveyed and you are able to think through them and see if you agree!

AMEN!
Your ideas were conveyed!

God bless you

 

[frangiuliano115]

P.S.

JD1789 expressed perfectly my feelings about how children are being treated in todays society.

Would just like to add the following. So much of our effort is directed toward changing the abortion laws. - I’m NOT for abortion - but,

how about worrying also about children that are already born??

Another couple I know has just gotten divorced. They have a 10 year old son. The mother already has a “boyfriend” after just months of divorcing. The father is on his THIRD “girlfriend”. The 10 year old boy is strewn about between the mother and the father and the boyfriend and girlfriends.

IS ANYONE CONSIDERING THE EFFECT OF DIVORCE ON THEIR CHILDREN???

How selfish have we become?

Sorry, I’m preaching to the choir. This just soooo upsets me.
Maybe after children are born, divorce should be prohibited? I don’t know the solution. The solution would be to follow God’s laws but we, as a society, don’t do that.

God bless you all

 

[CatholicHockey7]

P.S.

JD1789 expressed perfectly my feelings about how children are being treated in todays society.

Would just like to add the following. So much of our effort is directed toward changing the abortion laws. - I’m NOT for abortion - but,

how about worrying also about children that are already born??

Another couple I know has just gotten divorced. They have a 10 year old son. The mother already has a “boyfriend” after just months of divorcing. The father is on his THIRD “girlfriend”. The 10 year old boy is strewn about between the mother and the father and the boyfriend and girlfriends.

IS ANYONE CONSIDERING THE EFFECT OF DIVORCE ON THEIR CHILDREN???

How selfish have we become?

Sorry, I’m preaching to the choir. This just soooo upsets me.
Maybe after children are born, divorce should be prohibited? I don’t know the solution. The solution would be to follow God’s laws but we, as a society, don’t do that.

God bless you all

We’re a little off topic, but my two cents as a child of divorce is that “No-Fault Divorce” laws should be removed. I do think divorce should be allowed for those unfortunate circumstances where it is an issue of safety (domestic violence), but most divorces should not be allowed.

My parents divorced when I was 6. I have no doubt they considered my needs, but I also have a hard time believing they fully understood the situation they put me in. That’s one of my great questions for so many of these studies which “prove” same-sex couples are just as capable as traditional families. We have decades of research showing the harmful effects on children raised by any heterosexual family model other than biological mother and father. Somehow, these studies on same-sex parenting conclude that children of such unions have the same chance for success as biological parents, or at least are less harmful than other forms. But how does that work? You’re telling me that if my mom had “married” another woman instead of marrying my step-father, I’d be more likely to succeed?

 

[frangiuliano115]

We’re a little off topic, but my two cents as a child of divorce is that “No-Fault Divorce” laws should be removed. I do think divorce should be allowed for those unfortunate circumstances where it is an issue of safety (domestic violence), but most divorces should not be allowed.

My parents divorced when I was 6. I have no doubt they considered my needs, but I also have a hard time believing they fully understood the situation they put me in. That’s one of my great questions for so many of these studies which “prove” same-sex couples are just as capable as traditional families. We have decades of research showing the harmful effects on children raised by any heterosexual family model other than biological mother and father. Somehow, these studies on same-sex parenting conclude that children of such unions have the same chance for success as biological parents, or at least are less harmful than other forms. But how does that work? You’re telling me that if my mom had “married” another woman instead of marrying my step-father, I’d be more likely to succeed?

I definitely agree with your first paragraph. I also think it’s too late to do anything about it. We’re too entrenched in our modern culture.

Of course your parents considered your needs and did the best they could and of course they couldn’t understand the situation they put you in. This is why I say that we (as a society) should follow God’s laws. Even if we don’t understand them, the reasons are still there and the results are more desirable.

The decades of researach that you mention were done by liberals who encouraged what we’re experiencing today - they told us a lot of lies that made for much misery. Of course you’re more likely to succeed in a stable, traditional home. It takes a rocket scientist and thousands of studies to know this??

Frankenfurter has it right that this all came about in small steps and was really all planned. I lived through this and have seen the great change in my lifetime.

Also, I’ve read some studies by more consevative groups that affirm a higher rate of suicide in teenagers raised by two mothers or two fathers. You yourself mention the decades of research that shows that the traditional model works best. So why isn’t it reported more and propagated?

Which all affirms why I trust God more than I trust scientists. Satans lies have put us in the social mess we’re experiencing.

I apologize for causing unpleasant thoughts and for going off the thread.

God bless you