A Glimpse of Purgatory?

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Yes, by all means believe in God’s word! But belief is not an all-or-none thing, as Peter and most of the others found out on late Holy Thursday and Good Friday – you can SAY you believe all you want, but are you ready to sacrifice everything you know for your belief? As for me, my belief is imperfect, and I can’t imagine being in heaven with God all the while retaining my weaknesses and faults. I know the pain that my weaknesses cause Jesus, and I want them purged!!! And if I can’t manage to do this completely on earth, let it happen before heaven!
One reason why Jesus came to earth is because of our imperfection,he knows we can never match up to his holiness or righteousness, He paid the price for our sin,I accept this,I cannot deny I am a sinner ,I can trust in Jesus word of truth ,for me to believe in the original post about talking to the dead in purgatory is to deny Jesus and his Teachings.,and his love for me , to believe I can die in purgatory is to deny the judgement,
for after death comes judgement ,there is no second chance ,that is why I believe firmly in what Christ died for.
I am fully confident in God’s word .
Blessings to you .
 
One reason why Jesus came to earth is because of our imperfection,he knows we can never match up to his holiness or righteousness, He paid the price for our sin,I accept this,I cannot deny I am a sinner
No one can.
I can trust in Jesus word of truth ,for me to believe in the original post about talking to the dead in purgatory is to deny Jesus and his Teachings.,and his love for me , to believe I can die in purgatory is to deny the judgement,
for after death comes judgement ,there is no second chance ,that is why I believe firmly in what Christ died for.
You may want to have an understanding of purgatory before you make such a harsh judgement upon it.
I would suggest checking the Catechism first.
You will find once you learn what exactly the church teaches us about purgatory that it is not only logical, but it is biblical as well.
 
Heh heh heh. I’m sitting here smiling, cuz I used to do the same
things our “guest” poster is doing, namely, without having a good, thorough
education in scripture and it’s correct interpretation, historical and cultural context
thru which the Holy Spirit worked when inspiring the writers, and all those very intricate and important things without which ACCURATE biblical interpretation is impossible —
having none of that necessary study under my belt, I would try to teach those ignorant Catholics a thing or two. Seeing it now, on this thread, makes me blush – and smile
winsomely.

It really is so darned CUTE that these protestant fundamentalists pop onto our
Forums, with their brief snippets of scripture, and try to teach us ignorant, unsaved,
Mary-worshipping Catholics the “real” gospel:
namely, just BELIEVE!!! Nothing else is needed ((even though Jesus, God Himself,
said differently, repeatedly, explicitly, and over and over and over and over again)).

By the way, the beliefs this new friend/visitor is espousing (good deeds/mitzvahs are not necessary for salvation, just “believe” in Jesus) are one reason many Jewish friends do not give Christianity the time of day. They have heard THIS, post 16th century version.
They KNOW from the Old Testament scriptures, that God DEMANDS repentance and
are horrified when they hear “Christians” coming to their door telling them that they need to merely “believe” in Jesus ((and NO repentance/teshuvah)) and all will be eternal bliss.

Of course, neither Jesus nor historic (from the very 1st century A.D.) Christianity ever taught any such thing. Most of the 16th Century Reformers, for all their faults, never told people that they SHOULD NOT repent, either, for that would be “works salvation,” as
some of these fundamentalist friends claim. Even Luther, who said that a man couldn’t be lost even if he committed adultery and murder thousands of times a day,
still insisted that people needed to repent. He meant by this shocking comment that even those who did that stuff thousands of times a day, if they were really Christians, would eventually repent and needed to. These new fundies are telling people that even repentance is part of “legalistic works salvation.” This is horrible.
It was a 1980s book, I think called ABSOLUTELY FREE!! where I first encountered this kind of assertion. John MacArthur, himself no friend of Catholicism, was shocked and appalled and wrote a book countering that one, called THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS, wherein he demonstated well the necessity of repentance.
 
fred - thanks, I will check it out. Since discovering Catholic Answers radio a few months ago, I have a list of books I want to read that’s way longer than the amount of time I have to read them! But I’ll try.
To add to the list, The Way of Divine Love. Sr. Josepha Menedez was given visions of hell and spoke a lot about the Poor Souls in Purgatory. She is on the road to canonization so of course you can take it or leave it, but I found it most helpful.
 
Heh heh heh. I’m sitting here smiling, cuz I used to do the same
things our “guest” poster is doing, namely, without having a good, thorough
education in scripture and it’s correct interpretation, historical and cultural context
thru which the Holy Spirit worked when inspiring the writers, and all those very intricate and important things without which ACCURATE biblical interpretation is impossible —
having none of that necessary study under my belt, I would try to teach those ignorant Catholics a thing or two. Seeing it now, on this thread, makes me blush – and smile
winsomely.

It really is so darned CUTE that these protestant fundamentalists pop onto our
Forums, with their brief snippets of scripture, and try to teach us ignorant, unsaved,
Mary-worshipping Catholics the “real” gospel:
namely, just BELIEVE!!! Nothing else is needed ((even though Jesus, God Himself,
said differently, repeatedly, explicitly, and over and over and over and over again)).

By the way, the beliefs this new friend/visitor is espousing (good deeds/mitzvahs are not necessary for salvation, just “believe” in Jesus) are one reason many Jewish friends do not give Christianity the time of day. They have heard THIS, post 16th century version.
They KNOW from the Old Testament scriptures, that God DEMANDS repentance and
are horrified when they hear “Christians” coming to their door telling them that they need to merely “believe” in Jesus ((and NO repentance/teshuvah)) and all will be eternal bliss.

Of course, neither Jesus nor historic (from the very 1st century A.D.) Christianity ever taught any such thing. Most of the 16th Century Reformers, for all their faults, never told people that they SHOULD NOT repent, either, for that would be “works salvation,” as
some of these fundamentalist friends claim. Even Luther, who said that a man couldn’t be lost even if he committed adultery and murder thousands of times a day,
still insisted that people needed to repent. He meant by this shocking comment that even those who did that stuff thousands of times a day, if they were really Christians, would eventually repent and needed to. These new fundies are telling people that even repentance is part of “legalistic works salvation.” This is horrible.
It was a 1980s book, I think called ABSOLUTELY FREE!! where I first encountered this kind of assertion. John MacArthur, himself no friend of Catholicism, was shocked and appalled and wrote a book countering that one, called THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS, wherein he demonstated well the necessity of repentance.
Something in a different light.
Yes there are many things on a need to know basis, my research sadly has found many prominent people ( again it grieves me to write , even from Protestant Faiths ) around the world that worship one being , I am not referring to a Loving God more sinister , if I gave out those names you would not believe a word. I can go on, you would have to find out for yourself. Just one reason why I am a Non Conformist. I am not here to argue ,make fun , simply researching ,so far I have received a few posts back, and are good items for me and I am learning from that, I understand where you are coming from ,and you find some posts amusing, fine go ahead , I personally am not offended just curious.
Blessings 🙂
 
We have talked a great deal about Purgatory in our Bible study.

Purgatory is the means by which God imposes justice as to all things.

But, the suffering in Purgatory are happy. They have been suffused with a precise knowledge of God’s justice, so that whqat is being done to them makes perfect sense, and they know that ultimately they have “won the race, they have kept the faith.”
Yeah exactly. Portraying Purgatory as a lesser Hell (intensity and permanence) and those in it as “poor” or “miserable” as if we should pity them, come on now. Nothing can be that bad when you’re 100% under God’s jurisdiction and you know being reunited with your maker and all the glory/bliss/overflowing joy that go with it is coming soon. This is a valley of tears (not for everyone, though) where salvation is never assured and where you don’t know what might befall you in a day’s time, Purgatory is a time of purification and expiation, but from one “day” to the next you’re that closer to God. No torment, no mental anguish, no anxiety, no attack from Satan, going to Hell is no longer a possibility etc. what more can you ask for short of Heaven?
 
Do not be deceived by anyone who claims to have spoken to the dead,Satan is VERY clever ,test the spirit first ,any spirit that doe’s not confess Jesus is Lord, as in
1 John 4 v 1 - 3 …
Deuteronomy 18 v 11 … Luke 16 v 26…
any one will be unwise to believe **Maria Simmons **,she may well have first hand ,at Satans hand yes…
Please take note,it is so easy to be deceived in the last day’s.
Believe in God’s word,
Blessings 🙂
Don’t believe Maria Simmons, I don’t believe her myself because I haven’t got the faintest idea who she is! Maria Simma, you can trust!🙂
 
Jesus accomplished absolute forgiveness on the cross. He has conquered sin, satan and death. Purgatory does not exist, Jesus suffered the ultimate punishment that we deserve. nothing more has to be done. Bible is Truth is right, Jesus did it all on the cross and in His resurrection. Believe this and He will save us from eternal damnation. John 3:16:D
 
Jesus accomplished absolute forgiveness on the cross. He has conquered sin, satan and death. Purgatory does not exist, Jesus suffered the ultimate punishment that we deserve. nothing more has to be done. Bible is Truth is right, Jesus did it all on the cross and in His resurrection. Believe this and He will save us from eternal damnation. John 3:16:D
If nothing more has to be done, then please explain what Colossians 1:24 is talking about when it says that there is something, and I quote “lacking in Christ’s sacrifice”.
 
We hope you do.

Nothing imperfect can come before God, be in heaven. Another word for perfect is holy. When Jesus commands us, does not suggest, but commands, “Be ye holy, even as your heavenly Father is holy”, and in another equally good translation, “Be ye perfect, even as your heavenly Father is perfect”, He is telling us to be as holy as God is holy.

I am far from it. It sounds impossible. But if Jesus commands the impossible He would be unjust, and God is perfectly just.

Purgatory is a manifestation of God’s mercy. Between here and heaven we can be made perfectly holy to enter God’s presence.
Purgatory really makes me wonder, we can not reach perfection here on earth, we are called to turn to Jesus, yet even if we do, it seems as if we are still not good enough to enter heaven and there fore i guess we go to Purgatory to be made perfect…

it may come off as being a smart mouth, but is it just me ? We need to turn to Jesus to be saved, but ! you still have to go to purgatory even if you do.

I dont understand a lot , but i do believe in my faith in Christ, and will stand behind what the Church teaches even if i do not fully understand, and I dont say that blindly either, I say it based on smarter people than I have come up with the standards based on faith and perhaps divine intervention, that is why.

BUT

sometimes certain things do confuse me,

Or maybe i should ask, Is Purgatory automatically where we go when we die ?
 
it may come off as being a smart mouth, but is it just me ? We need to turn to Jesus to be saved, but ! you still have to go to purgatory even if you do.

I dont understand a lot , but i do believe in my faith in Christ, and will stand behind what the Church teaches even if i do not fully understand, and I dont say that blindly either, I say it based on smarter people than I have come up with the standards based on faith and perhaps divine intervention, that is why.

BUT

sometimes certain things do confuse me,

Or maybe i should ask, Is Purgatory automatically where we go when we die ?
My understanding is that after the fall, we totally lost our connection with God and heaven. Totally. Can you make it through the day, no matter how hard you try, without having a single sinful thought? That’s the result of the fall.

Jesus’ sacrifice re-established our way back to God, but one big problem remains, we are still sinful creatures. God cannot “dumb down” heaven for our sake, so we must be purged of this sinful nature, this concupiscence, to be sorta like the people we were before the fall.

Unless Jesus became man and sacrificed himself, none of this would even be possible. I have to believe this, because it is a mystery to me. I guess heaven must be so blindingly perfect we can’t even begin to comprehend it, so it must remain a mystery. In order for us to experience heaven freely and perfectly (ie. without chaperones or angel-guards), we have to be purged of our sinful nature.

This is how I think about it.
 
Believe in God’s word
God, for whatever reason, refuses to write things down for us. People write things. People publish books. People have different opinions. People have different versions of “God’s word”.

To “believe in God’s word”, one must FIRST believe a person has the authentic Word of God.

“Bible is truth” - can you tell me which person (for you as a non-conformist) has the authority to assert the authentic Word of God? I’m really curious about that. For example, how does one really know that the full text of the bible is really authentic. For example, maybe some writings from the Essenes should be consider authentic - who’s to say?

It is actually right on top of the topic for this thread. Lucky for me, I’m able to lean on the Magesterium to look at these kinds of things and make a ruling under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It is my assumption that a non-conformist would be on their own to determine everything for themselves.
 
Jesus accomplished absolute forgiveness on the cross. He has conquered sin, satan and death. Purgatory does not exist, Jesus suffered the ultimate punishment that we deserve. nothing more has to be done. Bible is Truth is right, Jesus did it all on the cross and in His resurrection. Believe this and He will save us from eternal damnation. John 3:16:D
MaryIrene, that is not what Jesus said nor what the apostles taught. Please refer to my earlier post where Jesus clearly stated we will be judged not just on whether we perform acts of evil, but that we will be condemned for our failure to perform acts of charity, to fail to produce good fruit. He died on the cross to save us from our sins, yet that is an invitation to salvation we still must allow our faith in Him to change us to do His will.

A bit more from the Bible: Jesus specifically warns that simply claiming to be His disciple is insufficient:

Matthew 7,
You will be able to tell them by their fruits. Can people pick grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?

In the same way, a sound tree produces good fruit but a rotten tree bad fruit. A sound tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor a rotten tree bear good fruit.

19 Any tree that does not produce good fruit is cut down and thrown on the fire.

I repeat, you will be able to tell them by their fruits.

21** 'It is not anyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord,” who will enter the kingdom of Heaven, but the person who does the will of my Father in heaven.
When the day comes many will say to me, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, drive out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?”
Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, all evil doers!**
'Therefore, everyone who **listens to these words of mine and acts on them **will be like a sensible man who built his house on rock. Rain came down, floods rose, gales blew and hurled themselves against that house, and it did not fall: it was founded on rock.

26 But everyone who** listens to these words of mine and does not act on them** will be like a stupid man who built his house on sand.

The apostles clearly passed on that Jesus preached an active faith, that if we truly have faith it will be manifested in our actions:

1 John,
2He is the sacrifice to expiate our sins, and not only ours, but also those of the whole world. In this way we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.

Whoever says, ‘I know him’ without keeping his commandments, is a liar, and truth has no place in him.

But anyone who does keep his word, in such a one God’s love truly reaches its perfection. This is the proof that we are in God.

6** Whoever claims to remain in him must act as he acted.**

John 14
Jesus replied: **Anyone who loves me will keep my word, **and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.

24** Anyone who does not love me does not keep my words.** And the word that you hear is not my own: it is the word of the Father who sent me.

Christ expects us to bear the fruit of good works.
John 15
I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser.

2 Every branch in me that bears no fruit he cuts away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes to make it bear even more.

3 You are clean already, by means of the word that I have spoken to you.

4 Remain in me, as I in you. As a branch cannot bear fruit all by itself, unless it remains part of the vine, neither can you unless you remain in me.

5 I am the vine, you are the branches. Whoever remains in me, with me in him, bears fruit in plenty; for cut off from me you can do nothing.

6 Anyone who does not remain in me is thrown away like a branch – and withers; these branches are collected and thrown on the fire and are burnt.

And of course James 2 is very explicit on the correlation of faith with works.
Whoever acts without mercy will be judged without mercy but mercy can afford to laugh at judgement.

14 How does it help, my brothers, when someone who has never done a single good act claims to have faith? Will that faith bring salvation?

15 If one of the brothers or one of the sisters is in need of clothes and has not enough food to live on,

16 and one of you says to them, ‘I wish you well; keep yourself warm and eat plenty,’ without giving them these bare necessities of life, then what good is that?

17 In the same way faith, if good deeds do not go with it, is quite dead.

18 But someone may say: So you have faith and I have good deeds? Show me this faith of yours without deeds, then! It is by my deeds that I will show you my faith.

19 You believe in the one God – that is creditable enough, but even the demons have the same belief, and they tremble with fear.

20 Fool! Would you not like to know that faith without deeds is useless?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by his deed, because he offered his son Isaac on the altar?

22 So you can see that his faith was working together with his deeds; his faith became perfect by what he did.

23 In this way the scripture was fulfilled: Abraham put his faith in God, and this was considered as making him upright; and he received the name ‘friend of God’.

24** You see now that it is by deeds, and not only by believing, that someone is justified**.

25 There is another example of the same kind: Rahab the prostitute, was she not justified by her deeds because she welcomed the messengers and showed them a different way to leave?

26** As a body without a spirit is dead, so is faith without deeds.**
 
If nothing more has to be done, then please explain what Colossians 1:24 is talking about when it says that there is something, and I quote “lacking in Christ’s sacrifice”.
to help one understand =from Col 1 v24,

I am filling up ( Gk antanapleerono) what is lacking( Gk .hysterema ) in Christ’s Afflictions.
Doe’s not imply that there is deficiency in Christ’s atoning death and suffering on the cross,which would contradict the central message of this letter and all the rest of Scripture as well ( cf Heb.9:12, 24 - 26, 10:14.) Christ’s sufferings Are sufficient, and nothing of one’s own can be added to one’s Salvation . What was “lacking” in Christ’s afflictions was the future suffering of all who ( like Paul )will experience great affliction for the sake of the gospel
,as Paul described,eg., in 2 Cor.1:8-10 .(Cf. Phil.2:30, where Paul tells the Philippians that
Epathroditus risked his life "to complete Gk.anapleroo ] what was lacking Gk. hysterema]
in your service to me "

So do we understand why Christ died for us and what is meant by God’s grace…
nothing we can do by ourselves ,will get us to be with him, unless we first understand God’s grace…
Christ’s Death given to allow us ,by the Grace of God through his son Jesus is the Only way to Salvation, , as God said, My grace is sufficient for you .
…There Is no more need of sacrifice further. To understand more, really look into what happened around the time of Jesus on the Cross, what doe’s the meaning of the Torn Curtain mean to us ? just as a starter ?
Blessings to all …
 
MaryIrene, that is not what Jesus said nor what the apostles taught. Please refer to my earlier post where Jesus clearly stated we will be judged not just on whether we perform acts of evil, but that we will be condemned for our failure to perform acts of charity, to fail to produce good fruit. He died on the cross to save us from our sins, yet that is an invitation to salvation we still must allow our faith in Him to change us to do His will.

A bit more from the Bible: Jesus specifically warns that simply claiming to be His disciple is insufficient:

Matthew 7,
You will be able to tell them by their fruits. Can people pick grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?

In the same way, a sound tree produces good fruit but a rotten tree bad fruit. A sound tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor a rotten tree bear good fruit.

19 Any tree that does not produce good fruit is cut down and thrown on the fire.

I repeat, you will be able to tell them by their fruits.

21** 'It is not anyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord,” who will enter the kingdom of Heaven, but the person who does the will of my Father in heaven.
When the day comes many will say to me, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, drive out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?”
Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, all evil doers!**
'Therefore, everyone who **listens to these words of mine and acts on them **will be like a sensible man who built his house on rock. Rain came down, floods rose, gales blew and hurled themselves against that house, and it did not fall: it was founded on rock.

26 But everyone who** listens to these words of mine and does not act on them** will be like a stupid man who built his house on sand.

The apostles clearly passed on that Jesus preached an active faith, that if we truly have faith it will be manifested in our actions:

1 John,
2He is the sacrifice to expiate our sins, and not only ours, but also those of the whole world. In this way we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.

Whoever says, ‘I know him’ without keeping his commandments, is a liar, and truth has no place in him.

But anyone who does keep his word, in such a one God’s love truly reaches its perfection. This is the proof that we are in God.

6** Whoever claims to remain in him must act as he acted.**

John 14
Jesus replied: **Anyone who loves me will keep my word, **and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.

24** Anyone who does not love me does not keep my words.** And the word that you hear is not my own: it is the word of the Father who sent me.

Christ expects us to bear the fruit of good works.
John 15
I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser.

2 Every branch in me that bears no fruit he cuts away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes to make it bear even more.

3 You are clean already, by means of the word that I have spoken to you.

4 Remain in me, as I in you. As a branch cannot bear fruit all by itself, unless it remains part of the vine, neither can you unless you remain in me.

5 I am the vine, you are the branches. Whoever remains in me, with me in him, bears fruit in plenty; for cut off from me you can do nothing.

6 Anyone who does not remain in me is thrown away like a branch – and withers; these branches are collected and thrown on the fire and are burnt.

And of course James 2 is very explicit on the correlation of faith with works.
Whoever acts without mercy will be judged without mercy but mercy can afford to laugh at judgement.

14 How does it help, my brothers, when someone who has never done a single good act claims to have faith? Will that faith bring salvation?

15 If one of the brothers or one of the sisters is in need of clothes and has not enough food to live on,

16 and one of you says to them, ‘I wish you well; keep yourself warm and eat plenty,’ without giving them these bare necessities of life, then what good is that?

17 In the same way faith, if good deeds do not go with it, is quite dead.

18 But someone may say: So you have faith and I have good deeds? Show me this faith of yours without deeds, then! It is by my deeds that I will show you my faith.

19 You believe in the one God – that is creditable enough, but even the demons have the same belief, and they tremble with fear.

20 Fool! Would you not like to know that faith without deeds is useless?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by his deed, because he offered his son Isaac on the altar?

22 So you can see that his faith was working together with his deeds; his faith became perfect by what he did.

23 In this way the scripture was fulfilled: Abraham put his faith in God, and this was considered as making him upright; and he received the name ‘friend of God’.

24** You see now that it is by deeds, and not only by believing, that someone is justified**.

25 There is another example of the same kind: Rahab the prostitute, was she not justified by her deeds because she welcomed the messengers and showed them a different way to leave?

26** As a body without a spirit is dead, so is faith without deeds.**
I personally still find no reference to Purgatory ,or speaking to those in it by people who claim to have done and do so ,the dead have a divide which cannot be crossed ,beware of sorcerers or anyone who claim they can do this ,those who do deal in satanic way’s, to my way of thinking…and for me deny’s Christ’s reason on the cross …
just a thought , for me truth…
Blessings .
 
God, for whatever reason, refuses to write things down for us. People write things. People publish books. People have different opinions. People have different versions of “God’s word”.

To “believe in God’s word”, one must FIRST believe a person has the authentic Word of God.

“Bible is truth” - can you tell me which person (for you as a non-conformist) has the authority to assert the authentic Word of God? I’m really curious about that. For example, how does one really know that the full text of the bible is really authentic. For example, maybe some writings from the Essenes should be consider authentic - who’s to say?

It is actually right on top of the topic for this thread. Lucky for me, I’m able to lean on the Magesterium to look at these kinds of things and make a ruling under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It is my assumption that a non-conformist would be on their own to determine everything for themselves.
I understand what you write,…
For me, I must not go away from the reason why Jesus came ,that is to spread the good news,open to all Faiths, to clarify , yes open to ALL faiths ,by this I mean to accept Jesus firstly in repentance and forgiveness by a repentant Heart,then becoming a New person in Christ giving up the old way of life ,which includes what one believed first .One true LIVING God one Jesus ,The way the Truth and the Life.
We are all failing in our Faith,the Evil ones are gaining ground ,I feel because we bicker too much about who is right ,what is to be done,we are All responsible for our own Salvation ,and are all held responsible to spread the good news ,we act worse than governments at times, we have a duty to do,and at the end of our lives,by God’ grace to be allowed in his home with him. It is not for me to point fingers and say ,you will or not go to Heaven ,only by God’s Grace alone can we each be sure…I need not go on just one reason why I will not be labelled any denomination ,I believe the Bible ,I believe in what Jesus came for and his word,I cannot and will not argue ,I know my Salvation is secured ,
why there is still time,I do have some interesting answers on…What would you do if you Knew ( not possible of course ) Christ would return in 30 minutes? so lets get down to business ,what would you personally do? …
are you scared or Happy or what ,this again open to all who would like to say what they would do…
Blessings to all.🙂 sadly even the disciples wanted to know who was greatest among them ,Jesus gave the example…🙂
 
Jesus accomplished absolute forgiveness on the cross. He has conquered sin, satan and death. Purgatory does not exist, Jesus suffered the ultimate punishment that we deserve. nothing more has to be done. Bible is Truth is right, Jesus did it all on the cross and in His resurrection. Believe this and He will save us from eternal damnation. John 3:16:D
just adding further to my post’s after yours,
we are also here to give God the glory not ourselves , thank you for your above comment ,
🙂 I believe in the word of God is right,not myself,🙂 ) to give God the Glory,
I will add also to my posts after yours ,
If I believe as the J.W’s believe, God is a merciful ,Loving God (Yes of course he is ,while I live before he comes ), they believe also that one is kept in Hell, others believe in purgatory after Death for such a length of time , then this for me contradicts Christ,s Salvation and why he died on the cross, Plus, if as they believe as with the J.W’s that Gods mercy will extend to those in Hell ,that it is only for a certain length of time . Then why bother ,I might as well live in Sin why alive ,do what I want ,Knowing that I will still be eventually be with God after such time ,believing in mercy after my Death,( after Death comes Judgement ) it doe’s not meet God’s word, I know you will understand this,
and am happy to meet some one who doe’s understand Christ’s Death.
Richly Blessings to you 🙂
 
From the Bible, Mathew, Chapter 12:
Therefore I say to you: Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but the blasphemy of the Spirit shall not be forgiven. And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.
There is purgatory.
 
others believe in purgatory after Death for such a length of time , then this for me contradicts Christ,s Salvation and why he died on the cross,
The other day my son lied to me.

He had claimed to have done his homework when he had not.

I forgave him. But the moment I forgave him I realized as well that there is no difference in him at all from the son that was a liar earlier and the one now that is forgiven.

Something must be done that will provide a lesson and help him to resist this particular transgression in the future.

So after I had forgiven him, I exacted a punishment from him that will hopefully make him reconsider telling a lie in the future.

It is not that he was not forgiven, it is that the lie had changed him. He had learned that he could simply sin, and get by without doing his homework.
That line of thought needs to be changed.

Christ’s sacrifice on the cross is wholly sufficient to forgive our sins.
But every sin changes us. And God needs to purge these changes from us before we can present in heaven.
 
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