A Great idea on the abortion issue!

[katherine2]

While she acknowledged in her address today that Americans have “deeply held differences” over abortion rights, Mrs. Clinton told the annual conference of the Family Planning Advocates of New York State, “I for one respect those who believe with all their heart and conscience that there are no circumstances under which abortion should be available.”

In addition to her description of abortion as a “tragic choice” for many," Mrs. Clinton said that faith and organized religion were the “primary” reasons that teenagers abstain from sexual relations, and reminded the audience that during the 1990’s, she promoted “teen celibacy” as a way to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies.

“The fact is, the best way to reduce the number of abortions is to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies in the first place,” Mrs. Clinton said.

Mrs. Clinton also called today for the Bush administration, religious groups, supporters and opponents of abortion rights and others to look beyond the abortion rights divide and form a broad alliance on other issues that she suggested as less incendiary. The speech was also notable for a stream of statistics and data that, Mrs. Clinton’s aides said afterward, were included to underscore her view that the reduction of “unwanted pregnancies” could be a unifying issue for supporters and opponents of abortion rights.

Hey, I got a great idea. Rather than – while continuing to pursue our goal of giving legal protection for the unborn – also working with people like Senator Clinton to reduce the number of abortions by means like education, support,etc let’s instead call her a bunch of names and say nasty things about her. I’ll bet I can get at least 20-30 posts on that!!

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

katherine2:

Hey, I got a great idea. Rather than – while continuing to pursue our goal of giving legal protection for the unborn – also working with people like Senator Clinton to reduce the number of abortions by means like education, support,etc let’s instead call her a bunch of names and say nasty things about her. I’ll bet I can get at least 20-30 posts on that!!

You have sure gotten very nasty as of late. Can’t win the debats so you resort to name calling and ridicule?

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

Yeah,Hillary let’s not think about making it illegal if you do that people might figure out abortion is evil Looks like she is scared,huh?Who was saying Bush has had no impact?

 

[Edwin1961]

I’m sorry, I don’t believe in calling people names. I don’t think it is proper to act non-Christian like that.

I do believe in time, with Pro-life families having children and the Pro-Aborts not having children, that they Pro-aborts will abort themselves right out of existance.

If you break down the terms, it is only logical to have the Pro-Life members and family to Increase naturally and the others to Decrease naturally. The real stance is to convert hearts with our words and actions of kindness and let the Holy Spirit do the rest.

God IS with Us!
Edwin

 

[Edwin1961]

Lisa4Catholics:

Yeah,Hillary let’s not think about making it illegal if you do that people might figure out abortion is evil Looks like she is scared,huh?Who was saying Bush has had no impact?

Mrs. Clinton are scared because, deep down I am sure they know their side is full of lies. AND they just HATE GOD!. Period! That’s what this fight all is about when you look at the big picture. Good vs. Evil

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

Edwin1961:

Mrs. Clinton are scared because, deep down I am sure they know their side is full of lies. AND they just HATE GOD!. Period! That’s what this fight all is about when you look at the big picture. Good vs. Evil

Amen, my brother! Planned parethood and the rest of the pro-aborts are panicked beyond belief.God Bless

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Edwin1961:

I’m sorry, I don’t believe in calling people names. I don’t think it is proper to act non-Christian like that.

I do believe in time, with Pro-life families having children and the Pro-Aborts not having children, that they Pro-aborts will abort themselves right out of existance.

If you break down the terms, it is only logical to have the Pro-Life members and family to Increase naturally and the others to Decrease naturally. The real stance is to convert hearts with our words and actions of kindness and let the Holy Spirit do the rest.

God IS with Us!
Edwin

Edwin, I would agree with this if it wasn’t for the fact that the pro-aborts are indoctrinating children though the public school system. As the NEA supports family planning, including “the right to reproductive freedom.”

And Planned Parenthood has gotten its claws into the public schools too.

And the laws of most states prohibit parental notification and allow teenage girls to have abortions without the knowledge and/or approval of their parents.

This “proposal” by Mrs. Clinton is a trojan horse, to get us to focus on something else. The pro-aborts are starting to run scared. We need to keep the pressure on.

 

[Lisa_N]

ByzCath:

Edwin, I would agree with this if it wasn’t for the fact that the pro-aborts are indoctrinating children though the public school system. As the NEA supports family planning, including “the right to reproductive freedom.”

And Planned Parenthood has gotten its claws into the public schools too.

And the laws of most states prohibit parental notification and allow teenage girls to have abortions without the knowledge and/or approval of their parents.

This “proposal” by Mrs. Clinton is a trojan horse, to get us to focus on something else. The pro-aborts are starting to run scared. We need to keep the pressure on.

Planned Parenthood has been in the schools for MANY years. I remember them coming to my high school and that was thirty years ago…

I agree, the proaborts are getting very very nervous. They see their hold on the public slipping away and the tide turning against them. I continue to receive correspondence from the national organization and the rhetoric is getting more and more shrill and they are sounding in near panic. Let’s keep it that way!

Lisa N

 

[Edwin1961]

Lisa N:

Planned Parenthood has been in the schools for MANY years. I remember them coming to my high school and that was thirty years ago…

I agree, the proaborts are getting very very nervous. They see their hold on the public slipping away and the tide turning against them. I continue to receive correspondence from the national organization and the rhetoric is getting more and more shrill and they are sounding in near panic. Let’s keep it that way!

Lisa N

All what you described sounds like the Democratic Party.

 

[katherine2]

well, I called that one right!

 

[rlg94086]

katherine2:

Hey, I got a great idea. Rather than – while continuing to pursue our goal of giving legal protection for the unborn – also working with people like Senator Clinton to reduce the number of abortions by means like education, support,etc let’s instead call her a bunch of names and say nasty things about her. I’ll bet I can get at least 20-30 posts on that!!

Actually, I think pro-life, conservatives will do just that. The ban on partial birth abortions is a good example. Does it go far enough? No. Is it a compromise? Yes.

However, I don’t think Senator Clinton would agree witht the “while continuing to pursue…” When she says “look beyond the abortions right divide”, I think she personally means “give up your strong pro-Life stance”. Ain’t happenin’.

On the positive side, I see this as a strong sign that the Pro Life movement is having an impact. Senator Clinton (like her husband) is moved by popular opinion polls. She obviously thinks she needs to soften her stance on these issues to win.

God Bless,

Robert.

 

[Edwin1961]

In the Byzantine Catholic Church, this is our first reading for today (Monday). I read it and thought it would fit perfectly here. When you read it, you will know what I mean.

1 John 3:10-20
This is how the children of God and the children of the Devil can be
known–whoever doesn’t do what’s right is not from God, nor is he who
doesn’t love his brother.

For this is the message you heard from the beginning, that we should love
one another, not like Cain who was from the Evil One and slew his brother.
And why did he slay him? Because his own works were evil while his brother’s
works were good. Don’t be surprised brothers, if the world hates you. We
know that we’ve passed over from death to life because we love the
brethren–whoever doesn’t love remains in death. Everyone who hates his
brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life within
him. This is how we came to know love–he laid down his life for us; we too
should lay down our lives for our brothers. Whoever has worldly goods and
sees his brother in need but closes his heart to him–how can love for God
remain in him? My children, let’s not love in word or speech alone but in
actions and truth.

This is how we’ll know that we’re of the truth and will reassure our hearts
before him when our hearts condemn us, because God is greater than our
hearts and He knows everything.

 

[Jay74]

Hilary Clinton was on TV during the election with other women, Ashley Judd to name one, screaming angrily at the top of her lungs to President Bush to keep his “laws away from her body.”

That’s not calling her names, that is what she did. She may want to do some things that indirectly reduce the number of abortions, but she will fight to keep it legal, therefore she isn’t part of the solution.

If she proposes something that reduces abortion, it should be supported to save life. However, when she’s on the ballot, she should be voted out offfice for the same reason.

I don’t call her names. She isn’t evil. She has many abundant talents. She is also wrong on many black and white issues and has to go.

 

[Elizabeth_B]

katherine2:

Hey, I got a great idea. Rather than – while continuing to pursue our goal of giving legal protection for the unborn – also working with people like Senator Clinton to reduce the number of abortions by means like education, support,etc let’s instead call her a bunch of names and say nasty things about her. I’ll bet I can get at least 20-30 posts on that!!

Was your intent to initiate an intelligent, reasonable debate? If so, I recommend less sarcasm.

 

[felra]

ByzCath:

This “proposal” by Mrs. Clinton is a trojan horse, to get us to focus on something else. The pro-aborts are starting to run scared. We need to keep the pressure on.

And let’s not forget, Hiliary is from the same character/moral fabric as her husband Bill Clinton who vowed in his bid to get elected to make abortion “rare” in America. :tsktsk: Don’t be fooled; negotiate to the pro-life agenda, but a leopard cannot change it’s stripes (only God’s grace can, and I have not heard her pronoucement to this effect as of yet).

 

[felra]

ByzCath:

Edwin, I would agree with this if it wasn’t for the fact that the pro-aborts are indoctrinating children though the public school system. As the NEA supports family planning, including “the right to reproductive freedom.”

And Planned Parenthood has gotten its claws into the public schools too.

And the laws of most states prohibit parental notification and allow teenage girls to have abortions without the knowledge and/or approval of their parents.

This “proposal” by Mrs. Clinton is a trojan horse, to get us to focus on something else. The pro-aborts are starting to run scared. We need to keep the pressure on.

Don’t forget that Hillary is from the same character/moral fabric as her husband Bill Clinton, who promised in his bid to get elected promised to make abortion in America “rare”. :tsktsk: Don’t be fooled; a leopard cannot change its spots (only God’s grace can and I have not heard any testimony lately from Hilary to this effect).

 

[Celia]

I feel like I’m stepping into a lion’s den here but guys, saying that Hillary Clinton hates God and is evil and stuff does not make you look any better. Of course, I understand that you’re angry and frustrated with pro-choice politicians, everyone is, but that isn’t helping our position at all.

I used to be pro-choice. Back when I was in high school. Obviously since then I’ve seen the errors in my thinking. But, from that, I understand the mind-set of someone who is pro-choice. Most of them really believe they are being responsible and protecting women and all that. I did too. When they look at people who are pro-life they see crazy shouting evangelicals, and they do not take their positions seriously. What we ultimately want here is an end to abortion. So, anything that brings us closer to that should be considered a small victory. Not an excuse to sit around and gripe about the Democratic party.
Please, I hope no one is offended by what I’ve said. I really just think we should be approaching this topic in a different manner. Thanks.

 

[Trelow]

She’s working to soften her image so that she can deceive otherwise good christians into voting for her in 2008.

 

[Edwin1961]

Trelow:

She’s working to soften her image so that she can deceive otherwise good christians into voting for her in 2008.

Strangely enough for the second day, our Byzantine reading for today matches this point about being deceived.

John 10:9-16
"I am the gate!
Whoever comes in through me will be saved And will enter and leave and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal and slaughter and slay; I’ve come that you might have have life and have it abundantly.

I am the good shepherd; The good shepherd lays down his life for his sheep.
But since the hired man is not a shepherd-- the sheep are not his own-- When he sees the wolf coming he leaves the sheep and flees, And the wolf carries them off and scatters them, Because he’s a hired man and doesn’t care about the sheep.

I am the good shepherd, And I know mine and mine know me, Just as the Father knows me and I know the Father, And I lay down my life for my sheep.

I have other sheep who are not of this fold, and I must lead them, And they’ll listen to my voice, and become one flock, one shepherd."

---

We must not let Hillary (the wolf in sheep’s clothing) decieve all of us (Christians) from folling into her foolish promises.

Gos IS with Us!
Edwin

 

[Lisa_N]

Celia:

I feel like I’m stepping into a lion’s den here but guys, saying that Hillary Clinton hates God and is evil and stuff does not make you look any better. Of course, I understand that you’re angry and frustrated with pro-choice politicians, everyone is, but that isn’t helping our position at all.

I used to be pro-choice. Back when I was in high school. Obviously since then I’ve seen the errors in my thinking. But, from that, I understand the mind-set of someone who is pro-choice. Most of them really believe they are being responsible and protecting women and all that. I did too. When they look at people who are pro-life they see crazy shouting evangelicals, and they do not take their positions seriously. What we ultimately want here is an end to abortion. So, anything that brings us closer to that should be considered a small victory. Not an excuse to sit around and gripe about the Democratic party.
Please, I hope no one is offended by what I’ve said. I really just think we should be approaching this topic in a different manner. Thanks.

Celia, first off I do agree that often the prolife side is equated with screaming meemies and that does not help win friends or influence people. However if you read the initial post, Katherin2 was simply creating a set up and hoping to draw out the anti Clintonites in the guise of supporting pro life issues.

Hillary is very much a liberal and will never support an end to abortion. The Democrats in general have been very beholden to certain interest groups and the proaborts are very prominent among them. Prolife Democrats have been ignored and marginalized. That Bill Clinton said he wanted abortion to be rare was IMO completely disingenuous. He vetoed the PBA bill TWICE. Now if ANY procedure would be considered unreasonable by all groups it’s PBA. He wouldn’t even allow the SLIGHTEST restriction on abortion at will. Now having seen that this attitude is losing elections the Dems are scrambling to distance themselves from the proabort lobby. But we are not being fooled. I have little doubt that Hillary’s attempt to leap on the values bandwagon will fall on deaf ears. We know when a skunk arrives at the picnic. He doesn’t need to announce his presence.

Lisa N