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Dan_Defender
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Wow thanks for sharing. I did not know that.
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ConstantLearner
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Judaism requires a woman obtain an abortion if her life is in danger from the pregnancy. Otherwise, Judaism forbids abortion.
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phil19034
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My wife is Jewish: I have NEVER heard this before. My Jewish mother-in-law says abortion is murder (and she’s Reform).
I know that Judaism ALLOWS abortion if her life is in danger, but I have never heard that it REQUIRES an abortion in such a situation.
Furthermore, I once read a Rabbi saying (when I was looking into mix marriages) the following: “There is only ONE rule for Jews today - ‘Jesus Christ is not the Messiah’” (it pains me to even type that). This Rabbi went on to say afterwards that Jews are free to believe anything else - even atheism. Actually, I was even married by an atheist member of the Jewish clergy (a cantor) before we had our married regularized by the Catholic Church!
My point - when it comes to most (if not all) Protestant and non-Christian religions: it is very hard to trust what you read on the internet, as most of those religions lack a central authority / magisterial teaching authority. Therefore, a lot of social teaching can differ from clergy to clergy in these religions.
God Bless
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phil19034
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Hello Mary,
I’m Catholic, so from my Catholic point of view - I totally agree with you. However, from a Jewish point of view (which I heard once, directly out of the mouth of a Jewish Rabbi) the sin is when the seed is literally spilled, not wasted.
From their point of view, as long as the seed goes inside the woman, then there is no sin.
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phil19034
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This is a non-sequitur. Jewish women are permitted to use birth control and have abortions. But they are not REQUIRED to have them.
For example: Jewish women got around find for thousands of years before the pill was invented - so the point about the wedding night is a garbage argument.
These arguments are no different then when I have heard Jewish people argue that Potato Latkes (potato pancakes) are a purely Jewish dish, even though the Potato is originally from North America. Plus the facts that Jews didn’t really start to make Potato Latkes until the 1800’s while the Polish people have been making their potato pancakes since the 1700s.
Point is: these arguments are really based on the current Jewish CULTURE and not the historical religion.
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ConstantLearner
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ONLY if the mother’s life is in danger, otherwise abortion is prohibited.
I am Jewish.
Yes, but only under very limited circumstances. The most common situation, explicitly described in the Mishnah , is where the mother’s life is imperiled by her pregnancy. Some consider such an abortion not merely permissible, but mandatory. However, once the baby’s head has emerged from the mother (some authorities say the majority of its body, some say merely any limb), termination is no longer allowed, since Jewish law does not permit sacrificing one life to save another.
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ConstantLearner
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Actually, that’s not at all true. Jews have many rules they must follow. Like 613! Of course, some aren’t applicable today because they relate to the Temple.
Religious Jews believe that Moses brought the Ten Commandments and the Torah down from Mount Sinai. The Ten Commandments are special because they were heard by all of the Jewish people at Mount Sinai. However, in traditional Judaism, all of the 613 mitzvot in the Torah are equally important.
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ComplineSanFran
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Are you stating this because you read it somewhere or do you know enough about Judaism and do you know a goodly number of Jews that you can say for certainty it is accurate? The Jews I know well tend not to be ultra-Orthodox, and they would dispute you. Modern day Judaism is all over the place in terms of belief and practice - even atheism. So Phil was pretty spot on when he quoted his rabbi.
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giuseppe96
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I find it hard to believe that Judaism full out requires abortions. They may take a more lax stance on the issue, but I doubt that abortion is a requirement of Jewish law.
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Kaninchen
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On the one hand, meanwhile on the other hand, while on another hand altogether . . . .
It would depend on the authority, it would depend on the stage . . . . etc, etc, etc.
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giuseppe96
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I suspect she is of the Reform persuasion.
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ConstantLearner
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Nope. How wrong can one be? Orthodox Jewish.
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ConstantLearner
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I say it as an Orthodox Jew.
The Ten Commandments , also known as Aseret HaDibrot (“ Ten Sayings” in Hebrew) or Decalogue, are the first ten of the 613 commandments given by God to the Jewish people. … These commandments are mentioned twice in the Torah —once in Exodus (20: 1-17) and again in Deuteronomy (5:4-21).
Although there have been many attempts to codify and enumerate the commandments contained in the Torah, the most traditional enumeration is Maimonides’. The 613 commandments include "positive commandments ", to perform an act (mitzvot aseh), and "negative commandments ", to abstain from certain acts (mitzvot lo taaseh).
The Ten Commandments , also known as Aseret HaDibrot (“ Ten Sayings” in Hebrew) or Decalogue, are the first ten of the 613 commandments given by God to the Jewish people. … These commandments are mentioned twice in the Torah —once in Exodus (20: 1-17) and again in Deuteronomy (5:4-21).
Although there have been many attempts to codify and enumerate the commandments contained in the Torah, the most traditional enumeration is Maimonides’. The 613 commandments include "positive commandments ", to perform an act (mitzvot aseh), and "negative commandments ", to abstain from certain acts (mitzvot lo taaseh).
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giuseppe96
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My apologies
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ConstantLearner
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The one thing everybody agrees about, whether abortion resembles murder or not, is that in the case of a threat to the mother’s life, Jewish law requires you to save her rather than the fetus.
Other than that, you’ll find most Jews, even those who do not consider abortion murder, are steadfastly against it.
Other than that, you’ll find most Jews, even those who do not consider abortion murder, are steadfastly against it.
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ConstantLearner
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Thank you. It’s fine.
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phil19034
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I know. But that doesn’t mean that some Rabbis don’t make up their own teachings … which was really my point. I’m sorry if I wasn’t clear.phil19034:
Actually, that’s not at all true. Jews have many rules they must follow. Like 613! Of course, some aren’t applicable today because they relate to the Temple.
Religious Jews believe that Moses brought the Ten Commandments and the Torah down from Mount Sinai. The Ten Commandments are special because they were heard by all of the Jewish people at Mount Sinai. However, in traditional Judaism, all of the 613 mitzvot in the Torah are equally important.
Judaism - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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DisorientingSneeze
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Thank you everyone for contributing! It has
been really enlightening. I’m so glad a place like this exists!
been really enlightening. I’m so glad a place like this exists!
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Moses613
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Them’s fightin’ words. Prove we didn’t start making latkes at just the same time!
(mmmmm. Latkes…)
I love how observant Judaism all of a sudden morphs into “ultra” Orthodox. Any observant, Orthodox Jew, ultra or not, believes in the 613 commandments and keeping Jewish law.
The atheist-endorsing rabbi is trying to avoid the little conundrum that religious Christians actually believe in more of the fundamentals of Jewish faith than they do. So how do they differentiate themselves as Jews? They have to define themselves in the negative: We don’t believe in Jesus. Just because we don’t say to an atheist “You are no longer a Jew” doesn’t mean Judaism endorses atheism… the idea is absurd.
I’m not an expert but I do know that you are required to save a life by all means necessary, unless it involves murder, idolatry or sexual immorality. While abortion is prohibited, the fetus is considered to be on a lower status of “life” than a born person; therefore in the case of risk to the mother’s life, it should be required. We’re talking from the Orthodox viewpoint here.
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