A key question to ask when dealing with abortion

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When considering the consequences of aborting a fetus, I think we should ask ourselves whether do we want to live the life of the fetus that would be aborted. I think this would help us put into perspective the consequences of abortion.

In other words, let’s ask ourselves if we want to be reincarnated with the life of that fetus that would be aborted.
 
Paris Hilton would have aborted both of us under that logic. So how does one pick the judge of a life worth living?
 
When considering the consequences of murdering a four-year-old, I think we should ask ourselves whether do we want to live the life of the four-year-old that would be murdered. I think this would help us put into perspective the consequences of murdering children.

In other words, let’s ask ourselves if we want to be reincarnated with the life of that four-year-old that would be murdered.

I can think of a lot of four-year-olds whose lives I would not want to live; those suffering from sexual abuse or living in particularly dangerous less-developed countries. That fact does not in any way impact the morality of murdering four-year-olds. Why would the case of unborn children be fundamentally different?
 
It’s impossible to predict what might happen in a person’s life. So many of our great leaders, heroes and role models rose up from horrible conditions. Likewise, some of the great stains of humanity came from average homes or even from great privilege.

Sure, the argument could be made that the world would have been better had Joseph Stalin or Adolf Hitler been aborted. But, we mortals are not privy to such information and no person’s fate is fixed. How many Mozarts would be worth the death of a tyrant? How many doctors or scholars? How many average mothers and fathers, priests and nuns?

When considering the consequences of abortion, perhaps it’s better to view humanity in a more positive note, instead of making weak arguments for the murder of an innocent victim. As Archbishop Fulton Sheen would say, “Life is worth living!”
 
fundamental logical fallacy assumes a) we can know what life that fetus will have and b) if that person did have full will and knowledge, they would make the same decision we would in the same circumstance
 
You can’t approach this in the abstract. You need context.

If a poll was taken asking people if they wish they had been aborted, I doubt the affirmative responses would be very high. I suppose we could take the suicide rate as the likely result of such a poll. Even then, the rates would not necessarily support a conclusion that abortion is an answer to terminal dissatisfaction with life experienced later on. The abortion rate of girls in China is higher than that of boys, yet the suicide rate among women in China is much higher than that of men. The expoitation of women in Russia is pretty severe, so one might think it best to abort them. Yet the suicide rate among men is much higher than among women there.

There are doubtless those who would think my life to be such that it would have been better had I been aborted. Yet, I don’t think so, myself.
 
ribozyme said:
When considering the consequences of aborting a fetus, I think we should ask ourselves whether do we want to live the life of the fetus that would be aborted. I think this would help us put into perspective the consequences of abortion.
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You’re right, but not in the way you think. If the only people worthy of life are those that’d I’d like to be, then there’s going to be an awfully lot of dead people. I guess it’s a good thing I didn’t get my Christmas wish to decide who lives and who dies.

IOW, your “key question” is really rather silly, at best.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
Yes he thought Between grief and nothing I will take grief

William Faulkner The Wild Palms
 
If a random woman became pregnant with ME today, she would be strongly encouraged to abort me. There is a 90% chance that she WOULD abort me.

Thank God, I was born to a godly Christian mother who would never, today or decades ago, have considered abortion.

9 out of 10 babies with my severe genetic deformity never see the light of day. I live in constant pain, and it will get worse as I get older. I have had many major surgeries, and will have many more. I cannot set foot on a street without drawing stares, gawks and rude words from people, in another time my life would have been limited to exhibition in a freak show. I cannot drive a car or buy clothing without major modifications.

Do you think my life is not worth living? My husband and my child, my parents and siblings and neices and nephews, my new grand-nephews, my boss and my coworkers, my students, my friends and my dog all seem to think I am worth the breath I draw.

Maybe someday you will meet me, maybe someday you will see me as valuable.
 
So, ribozyme, do you think that even in the life of some dirt-poor illiterate man living in physical pain in a tar paper shack, with a wife who died of AIDs, 2 dead children, 1 child living as a thief, another a prostitute, another ‘unknown fate’, 1 meal a day, no steady job beyond what he can beg or borrow, no friends. . .

You think there were no experiences in his life, then, now, or in future, that he found made his life 'worth living?

That there is nothing ‘useful’ about him? That he never saw beauty, felt love, did something for another, made a difference in a life?

How. . .shallow. . . your definition of a ‘worthwhile’ life must be. . .
 
I didn’t understand these questions until I was on an adoption forum a while back. People were saying that women who have multiple children in the system should be offered incentives for birth control (often very large ones).

One women said that though she loved her foster children, it would be better for them if they “didn’t exist”:eek: - because their parents were on drugs, they’d been abused, etc.

That’s when I really knew, deep down, that abortion and contraception are wrong. I can’t imagine the depths of sadness it would take to actually wish that children - children you see everyday - didn’t exist.
 
A teenage runaway and her obviously unstable bf shack up illegally thousands of miles from her family. She already has a born baby, an infant, and is pregnant again. She has no idea she needs a job skill, and is too young to work. She can’t get welfare. Her bf cannot supprot her and the child already born; he barely keeps himself supported. She suffers from depression, underweight and malnutrition.
Should she abort me or not?:juggle:
 
pentecostbaby said:
I didn’t understand these questions until I was on an adoption forum a while back. People were saying that women who have multiple children in the system should be offered incentives for birth control (often very large ones).
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How large were the incentives? I heard a state senator from Louisana proposed $1,000 for sterilization. I do not consider that “large.” I am just curious.
One women said that though she loved her foster children, it would be better for them if they “didn’t exist”:eek: - because their parents were on drugs, they’d been abused, etc.
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That’s when I really knew, deep down, that abortion and contraception are wrong. *I can’t imagine the depths of sadness it would take to actually wish that children - children you see everyday - didn’t exist. *
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Well, if you want to understand me and how I view the world (and possibly myself), I’ll help you.

Do these things sequentially (of course, there is really a point to this):

Watch this (starting at 2:40 through 5:35)
look at my current signature
and watch it again and pay close attentionh
 
ribozyme said:
Watch this (starting at 2:40 through 5:35)
look at my current signature
and watch it again and pay close attentionh
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First, thanks for reminding me why I hate anime.

Second, are you kidding? I mean, seriously. Think for yourself, ribozyme. Don’t let Japanese cartoons do it for you.
 
WE do not have the right to decide who lives and who dies.

Even though we think we are, WE ARE NOT GOD!

We are sadly mistaken when we equate life’s challenges and difficulties with “unhappiness”.

Some of the most unhappy people in this world have what secular society considers ideal; money, success, fame, comfort…

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

Mark
 
ribozyme said:
When considering the consequences of aborting a fetus, I think we should ask ourselves whether do we want to live the life of the fetus that would be aborted. I think this would help us put into perspective the consequences of abortion.

In other words, let’s ask ourselves if we want to be reincarnated with the life of that fetus that would be aborted.
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Reincarnated? :confused: I’m not sure how to put my brain around that, since I don’t get how the whole reincarnation thing works. Seriously. 😦

I would think, ‘would you want to explain to the spirit of that aborted child why they were put to death’… reincarnation or not!
 
Apryl said:
Reincarnated? :confused: I’m not sure how to put my brain around that, since I don’t get how the whole reincarnation thing works. Seriously. 😦 !
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lol yeah… I’m having a hard time here… since when does Catholicism include reincarnation?
 
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