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Dr.Bombay
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Aw, shucks.
I love your posts too, in a fraternal, Christian way. :tiphat:
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I love your posts too, in a fraternal, Christian way. :tiphat:
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Dr.Bombay
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netmil(name removed by moderator):
Yes, the future belongs to us. I can’t wait until all these kids who grew up under the Ecclesia Dei indult and watching EWTN Masses start answering their calls to the priesthood and the religious life. HOOOOO, boy! Can you say “Renaissance”? :bounce:
Love ya too, mom. I missed you this summer.
Yes, the future belongs to us. I can’t wait until all these kids who grew up under the Ecclesia Dei indult and watching EWTN Masses start answering their calls to the priesthood and the religious life. HOOOOO, boy! Can you say “Renaissance”? :bounce:
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Wolseley
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Or Grand Rapids?
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legeorge
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Tibbar, from someone who is in a similar position, I say it would be better to leave. NOW. Now I will explain.
We belong to a liberal parish. My husband grew up there, we were married there, etc. Felt strongly attached. We tried to faithfully make changes from within. I taught 6th grade RE for 5 years (longer than anyone else there now), I got on the council, became pro-life rep., etc. We have struggled and cried and anguished and fought for years!!! Now, we know for sure that we absolutely cannot stay there any longer (long story
). Anyway, now we feel guilty for needing to go somewhere less heretical so that our children have good solid teaching and we feel spiritually fed (and not frustrated all the time :banghead: ). I have a ton of guilt over leaving (especially my RE kids). If we had just left when we originally thought we should, instead of entrenching ourselves and trying to change things, we would not have had to suffer so much. We always knew, I guess, which direction this parish was heading, and it was just wishful thinking that our family could stop this snowball on our own. We tried, and we prayed, but sometimes you just have to know when to shake the dirt from your feet and move on. You could save yourself a lot of heartache if you just listen to the Holy Spirit’s prompting and go where he is guiding you now, rather than later.
Oh, and to make matters worse, we are currently Bishopless. Could be up to a year before we get a new one, so we don’t even have that recourse.
We belong to a liberal parish. My husband grew up there, we were married there, etc. Felt strongly attached. We tried to faithfully make changes from within. I taught 6th grade RE for 5 years (longer than anyone else there now), I got on the council, became pro-life rep., etc. We have struggled and cried and anguished and fought for years!!! Now, we know for sure that we absolutely cannot stay there any longer (long story
). Anyway, now we feel guilty for needing to go somewhere less heretical so that our children have good solid teaching and we feel spiritually fed (and not frustrated all the time :banghead: ). I have a ton of guilt over leaving (especially my RE kids). If we had just left when we originally thought we should, instead of entrenching ourselves and trying to change things, we would not have had to suffer so much. We always knew, I guess, which direction this parish was heading, and it was just wishful thinking that our family could stop this snowball on our own. We tried, and we prayed, but sometimes you just have to know when to shake the dirt from your feet and move on. You could save yourself a lot of heartache if you just listen to the Holy Spirit’s prompting and go where he is guiding you now, rather than later.Oh, and to make matters worse, we are currently Bishopless. Could be up to a year before we get a new one, so we don’t even have that recourse.
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Chatter163
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Sorry, but this is an incorrect statement concerning the current code of canon law (1983). Canon 515 states, “As a general rule a parish is to be territorial, that is, it embraces all the Christian faithful within a certain territory; whenever it is judged useful, however, personal parishes are to be established based upon rite, language, the nationality of the Christian faithful within some territory or even upon some other determining factor.”
While a bishop may establish a special non-territorial parish for a special reason, the norm is still quite clearly that Catholics register in the parish in which they live. I realize that enforcement of this varies from parish to parish and diocese to diocese, but this is not due to any vagueness in canon law.
Another post mentioned “overlapping” parish boundaries. I have never heard of this, as parish boundaries are, by definition, set up to determine where one parish begins and another ends. Theoretically, the entire world is divided into dioceses and parishes, though certainly there are a few geographically remote locations that might challenge that theory.
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mosher
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I don’t know what code you are referencing but Can 515 pp1,2,3 state.
"1. A parish is a certain community of Christ’s faithful stably established within a particular Church, whose pastoral care, under the authority of the diocesan Bishop, is entrusted to a parish prist.
- The diocesan Bishop alone can establish, suppress or alter parishes. He is not to establish, suppress or notably alter them unless he has consulted the council of priests.
- A lawfully established parish has juridial personality by virtue of the law itself."
In genral you are correct. However I believe that there is a particular law in the US that gives allowance. Give me some time to look this up.
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Chatter163
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Yes, mea culpa, I was citing canon 518, rather than 515.
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Fergal
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Can I just ask you what is so wrong with a faithful Catholic expressing his/her disdain for the pastor? Why did that not happen???
Defend the Holy Father always even if it means having to brush the very dust of the place from your feet as you leave.
I remember going to our Pastoral Council meeting for the first time having been made Chairman. I was delighted and excited at the prospect.
My first move was to entrust the Council and all its work to Our Blessed Mother under the title of Our Lady of Perpetual Help. Some members had very vocal objections to this saying Mary was not necessary at all and that the Holy Spirit was all we needed. Those who wanted to entrust the Council to Our Lady remained tight lipped so I carried it myself. I didn’t bend. The Parish Priest carried out my request during our Commissioning service.
Then I happened one night to mention the late Holy Fathers words on “throwing open the doors to Christ” and one woman asked “Don’t tell me you have any time for that oul fella?” and when I said I had she was disgusted and tut-tutted. I was deeply hurt and shocked. She then went on to call the then Cardinal Ratzinger “The Rat” in a most demeaning manner.
The last straw hit when at one meeting, on reading the APOSTOLIC LETTER, SPIRITUS ET SPONSA, ON THE 40TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE CONSTITUTION ON THE SACRED LITURGY "SACROSANCTUM CONCILIUM’, a group of women decided to stand up and walk out. That was when my heart broke. I just had to leave. After 6 short months as Chairman of the Pastoral Council I resigned my position.
All of the above happened in front of our Parish priest and some of our Parish Curates.
What happened to the lady who spoke out against entrusting our work to Our Lady, who spoke in such a dismissive manner about the late Holy Father and derided members of the Curia? She was promoted to the position of Pastoral Coordinator of the whole Parish and given an annual Church salary of roughly $20,000.
Sorry if I am a bit bitter about it but the wounds are still fresh and they were cut deep. Dismayed and uneasy? tell me about it.
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FaithfulLvng
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Whoa,
You just said something that made me hop out of my chair!
I work in prison ministry with a deacon who is sometimes a little “mother-earthy” and his favorite buzz-word lately is “rigid”.
Yikes,
Mike
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Lux_et_veritas
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Wow, Fergal! That is awful. Christ never said the path would be wide, nor did he ever say it would be covered in roses. Rather, the path is narrow and covered with roses with all thorns still attached. Jesus said it would be this way.Can I just ask you what is so wrong with a faithful Catholic expressing his/her disdain for the pastor? Why did that not happen???
Defend the Holy Father always even if it means having to brush the very dust of the place from your feet as you leave.
I remember going to our Pastoral Council meeting for the first time having been made Chairman. I was delighted and excited at the prospect.
My first move was to entrust the Council and all its work to Our Blessed Mother under the title of Our Lady of Perpetual Help. Some members had very vocal objections to this saying Mary was not necessary at all and that the Holy Spirit was all we needed. Those who wanted to entrust the Council to Our Lady remained tight lipped so I carried it myself. I didn’t bend. The Parish Priest carried out my request during our Commissioning service.
Then I happened one night to mention the late Holy Fathers words on “throwing open the doors to Christ” and one woman asked “Don’t tell me you have any time for that oul fella?” and when I said I had she was disgusted and tut-tutted. I was deeply hurt and shocked. She then went on to call the then Cardinal Ratzinger “The Rat” in a most demeaning manner.
The last straw hit when at one meeting, on reading the APOSTOLIC LETTER, SPIRITUS ET SPONSA, ON THE 40TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE CONSTITUTION ON THE SACRED LITURGY "SACROSANCTUM CONCILIUM’, a group of women decided to stand up and walk out. That was when my heart broke. I just had to leave. After 6 short months as Chairman of the Pastoral Council I resigned my position.
All of the above happened in front of our Parish priest and some of our Parish Curates.
What happened to the lady who spoke out against entrusting our work to Our Lady, who spoke in such a dismissive manner about the late Holy Father and derided members of the Curia? She was promoted to the position of Pastoral Coordinator of the whole Parish and given an annual Church salary of roughly $20,000.
Sorry if I am a bit bitter about it but the wounds are still fresh and they were cut deep. Dismayed and uneasy? tell me about it.
We need to pray for these kinds of people. This is what the popes would have told us to do. Pray
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YinYangMom
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That’s just terribly sad. I’m really sorry for you, but you are blessed for your efforts. Perhaps there is comfort in knowing that. Our Holy Father is being challenged from within. We must all remain strong and fervent in our prayers.All of the above happened in front of our Parish priest and some of our Parish Curates.
What happened to the lady who spoke out against entrusting our work to Our Lady, who spoke in such a dismissive manner about the late Holy Father and derided members of the Curia? She was promoted to the position of Pastoral Coordinator of the whole Parish and given an annual Church salary of roughly $20,000.
Sorry if I am a bit bitter about it but the wounds are still fresh and they were cut deep. Dismayed and uneasy? tell me about it.
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mgy100
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I could think of a nice little conversation you could have with the priest himself. You are no stranger to the priestly life, having spent years in a seminary.
You could send him a memo of the local c of e or lutheran churches and tell him to ask if they needed any pastor positions filled.
Good thing is, 5 or 6 minutes into a horrible sermon, people start thinking about the fish they are going to catch out on the lake after mass and blank out the priest… otherwise there would be a bigger stink about what he said.
You could send him a memo of the local c of e or lutheran churches and tell him to ask if they needed any pastor positions filled.
Good thing is, 5 or 6 minutes into a horrible sermon, people start thinking about the fish they are going to catch out on the lake after mass and blank out the priest… otherwise there would be a bigger stink about what he said.
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