A more stable home for Monterey, CA. Latin Mass Community

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Latin Mass community in Monterey diocese moving to ‘stable home’ on cemetery grounds

Less than a year after relocating to the Shrine of St. Joseph in Santa Cruz, members of a Traditional Latin Mass community in the diocese of Monterey are moving again – this time to a location they hope will be their permanent home.

Last year, Monterey bishop Richard Garcia asked the Traditional Latin Mass Community, which had been celebrating the Extraordinary Rite at Mission San Juan Bautista since 2008, to move to the Santa Cruz shrine. The first Traditional Latin Mass was celebrated there on July 3, 2011.

“It is Bishop Garcia’s intention that we find a church for ourselves, a church for the Traditional Latin Mass, our own parish,” Father Nicholas Milich said in a message to the Latin Mass Community at the time.

The last TLM at the Shrine of St. Joseph was celebrated on Sunday, June 10. Beginning next Sunday, June 17, the Extraordinary Rite will be celebrated at Queen of Heaven mausoleum, located between Prunedale and Salinas.

“Established in 1964 by Monsignor Thomas Earley, this cemetery was originally opened as the parish cemetery for Sacred Heart Church in Salinas,” says an entry on the cemetery’s website. “The 30-acre site, with approximately 12 developed acres, offers a majestic view of the Salinas Valley. With its beautifully landscaped environment and recent plant renovations, Queen of Heaven is the most attractive cemetery in the county.”

“The reason we are moving is that our Mass site in Santa Cruz was a temporary one,” explained June Ely, secretary of the Monterey Bay Area Latin Mass Community, in an email to California Catholic Daily. “The Oblates of St. Joseph had generously allowed us use of their Shrine in Santa Cruz while we were searching for a more permanent home. Our chaplain and other members of our community had been looking for a home the past year, when we finally found out about the Queen of Heaven Mausoleum between Prunedale and Salinas, right off of Hwy. 101. The Mausoleum church there was only used once a month on Saturday’s for a memorial Mass, and very occasionally for funerals.”

“This beautiful location, overlooking the Monterey Bay Area, is about as central as possible for our spread out community,” Ely continued. “When we approached our bishop about using it, he said it was a great idea. The director of Queen of Heaven Cemetery, Mr. Charles Fowler, has been very welcoming to our Traditional Latin Mass community, and is working closely with us to get it ready for our intended move date of June17th. We will be having High Mass at 10:30 every Sunday, and will be able to observe all the Holy Days of Obligation.”

“Our parishioners are very grateful to our bishop and the cemetery directors, and are excited about having a stable home where they can have a more normal parish life,” Ely said.

The mausoleum chapel at Queen of Heaven Cemetery is located at 18200 Damian Way, Salinas. For a map to the new location, Click Here.

A second Traditional Latin Mass in the Monterey diocese is offered at 12:30 p.m. on Sundays at St. Paul the Apostle Catholic Church in Pismo Beach.

calcatholic.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?id=ad8a742e-bf9f-400e-8e41-22218e43cd3b

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I am so happy for this Latin Mass community! And what a wonderful opportunity to pray for those buried there. Beautiful.

take care,
amsjj 🙂

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The exact same thing happened to the Traditional Mass Community in San Diego, CA. After Pope John Paul II freed restrictions on celebrating the Traditional Mass, the Bishop in San Diego authorized a group to have the Mass. However, no permanent place was assigned to them. After a while the Bishop allowed the Mass to celebrated with two Masses every Sunday at the Chapel in the mauseleum of St. Joseph Cemetary. Every Sunday a rosary was recited seeking the intercession of the Blessed Virgin. The crowds were enormous usually standing room only. Finally, the Bishop gave them the Parish of a Church, St. Annes, that had been closed due to falling attendance and assigned the FSSP to run things. Today they have a fully traditional Parish with two Masses daily and five Masses on Sunday.👍

I see it as proof that the Blessed Virgin does hear our prayers and intercedes in a most powerful manner. I have attached a link to the Parish. I hope that one day your group is favored and blessed in the same way.🙂

stannes-sandiego.org/
 
Mike30 said:
I see it as proof that the Blessed Virgin does hear our prayers and intercedes in a most powerful manner. I have attached a link to the Parish. I hope that one day your group is favored and blessed in the same way.🙂

stannes-sandiego.org/
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Thank you for that link, and your good wishes for us. At our first Mass there this Sunday, our Chaplain will be consecrating us to the Sacred Heart of Jesus through the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Mary Queen of Heaven, pray for us~
 
I will include this in my Rosary intentions, thanks for the update.
 
I wonder why the EF Mass left Mission San Juan Bautista? Did the parish need to add another Mass in English or Spanish? Was the Sunday schedule becoming too crowded? I’m sure it was not a case of the EF Mass attendance overflowing the available seating at the Mission. I also wonder why it left Shrine of St. Joseph in Santa Cruz? I suspect the reasons would reveal a lot.

I remember when the former Bishop of Monterey, Sylvester Ryan obstinately refused to offer the EF Mass. His reasoning was that it would create “division.” I very much disagreed with him at the time. When Summorum Pontificum was released I was fairly impressed with how Bp. Garcia directed the celebration of the EF at very strategically located and appropriate/welcoming parishes. Locally it is St. Paul’s in Pismo Beach. All seemed well.

What’s the first thing I heard from those who had long sought a weekly EF Mass? The vocal desire to erect their own “TLM church.” How terribly sad given the acceptance and support of St. Paul’s. Division indeed. Ryan was right. While no “TLM church” has been built to my knowledge, the celebration of the EF Mass in the SLO Deanery isn’t exactly thriving. It’s largely isolated from the rest of St. Paul’s and the rest of the deanery. How terribly sad. There is no doubt that it would be doing well if its celebration had truly become a part of St. Paul’s under the authority (and celebration!) of the pastor.

The weekly Sunday EF Mass is a low Mass (or at least it was within the last year or so) because the group that attends it does not have the resources for a music director or an organist. I have attended perhaps a dozen times in the past five years. The severe behavior and tiresome scowls of the participants ended that run the last time I attended.

It’s rather sad to see this group becoming more isolated in Monterey County.
 
Exorcist said:
I wonder why the EF Mass left Mission San Juan Bautista? …
It’s rather sad to see this group becoming more isolated in Monterey County.
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Having intimate knowledge of the situation of the TLM community in the Northern part of the Diocese, it’s need to leave Mission San Juan was not the desire of the community itself, or of the parish and it’s staff. If you check the Mission’s website, they link on their front page to the TLM community’s website, and all of the TLM’s major sacraments are still done at the Mission.
oldmissionsjb.org/

The stay at the Shrine of St. Joseph was always meant to be a temporary one, as it says in the article on CalCatholic, as the TLM community needed a more permanent home with a central location (the Monterey Bay Area is a very large area, the Santa Cruz location was way on the other side of the Bay) and a convenient Mass schedule.

The dour faced Trad caricaturisation is far from the reality of the Monterey Bay Area Latin Mass community, where there is a broad section of the population, ranging from young families to Spanish-only speakers. Rather than being more isolated, the TLM Mass is now more central and assessable.

All are welcome, all are invited - please join us and see for yourself. 🙂

www.MontereyLatinMass.org
 
prettiefly said:
Having intimate knowledge of the situation of the TLM community in the Northern part of the Diocese, it’s need to leave Mission San Juan was not the desire of the community itself, or of the parish and it’s staff. If you check the Mission’s website, they link on their front page to the TLM community’s website, and all of the TLM’s major sacraments are still done at the Mission.
oldmissionsjb.org/

The stay at the Shrine of St. Joseph was always meant to be a temporary one, as it says in the article on CalCatholic, as the TLM community needed a more permanent home with a central location (the Monterey Bay Area is a very large area, the Santa Cruz location was way on the other side of the Bay) and a convenient Mass schedule.

The dour faced Trad caricaturisation is far from the reality of the Monterey Bay Area Latin Mass community, where there is a broad section of the population, ranging from young families to Spanish-only speakers. Rather than being more isolated, the TLM Mass is now more central and assessable.

All are welcome, all are invited - please join us and see for yourself. 🙂

www.MontereyLatinMass.org
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Why do you use the term “TLM community”? That’s terribly divisive in itself. Rather than refer to those who attend the EF Mass as parishioners of Mission SJB (or wherever the Mass is celebrated), you instead use this moniker “TLM community.” It makes absolutely no difference if the people come from a larger geographic to attend the EF Mass or not. They should still be identified as members of the parish in which the EF Mass is being celebrated. I suspect you all dream of the day you will have your own “TLM only” parish, right? You’ve already got your own website by golly!

It’s very sad to see people try and treat a different form of the Mass as if it constituted an entirely separate sui juris church which it does not. Sadly I have to admit, Bp. Ryan was correct about division (not to mention isolation), although his own actions might have exacerbated the situation. As far as the “caricaturisation” (sic) of severe acting and grim faced people who attend the EF Mass in Pismo Beach, the description is accurate.

By the way, why is the EF Mass no longer regularly celebrated on Sundays at MSJB?
 
Exorcist said:
Why do you use the term “TLM community”? That’s terribly divisive in itself. Rather than refer to those who attend the EF Mass as parishioners of Mission SJB (or wherever the Mass is celebrated), you instead use this moniker “TLM community.” It makes absolutely no difference if the people come from a larger geographic to attend the EF Mass or not. They should still be identified as members of the parish in which the EF Mass is being celebrated. I suspect you all dream of the day you will have your own “TLM only” parish, right? You’ve already got your own website by golly!

It’s very sad to see people try and treat a different form of the Mass as if it constituted an entirely separate sui juris church which it does not. Sadly I have to admit, Bp. Ryan was correct about division (not to mention isolation), although his own actions might have exacerbated the situation. As far as the “caricaturisation” (sic) of severe acting and grim faced people who attend the EF Mass in Pismo Beach, the description is accurate.

By the way, why is the EF Mass no longer regularly celebrated on Sundays at MSJB?
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The term “community” is occasionally used when there are distinct groups which use the same parish church. One group is the parish and the other. The EF worshipers at SJB tended to be parishioners elsewhere. The fact that they moved so dramatically twice afterward demonstrates this.

I don’t think it is polite to discuss the issues that forced the community to leave the Mission. It likely involves personal issues and can quickly devolve into gossip.
 
SonCatcher said:
The term “community” is occasionally used when there are distinct groups which use the same parish church. One group is the parish and the other. The EF worshipers at SJB tended to be parishioners elsewhere. The fact that they moved so dramatically twice afterward demonstrates this.

I don’t think it is polite to discuss the issues that forced the community to leave the Mission. It likely involves personal issues and can quickly devolve into gossip.
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You’re missing the point. “Distinct groups?” You mean they aren’t all part of the same parish? That is divisive. That is wrong.

Let’s say I am a parishioner of parish #1. They begin to celebrate the EF Mass at neighboring parish #2. I wish to attend the EF Mass so I begin attending parish #2. I should fully join and identify with my new parish (#2.) I think it’s very wrong and divisive to treat a “TLM community” as if it was a virtual sui juris church or even a virtual parish. It’s not fair to either parish #1 or especially to parish #2. If the celebration of the EF Mass began at a cemetery chapel it might well make sense to refer to the group attending the Mass as the “Queen of Heaven Community” (in this case), but it certainly makes no sense to describe this group as a “TLM Community” when they were part of MSJB parish. I suspect one of the reasons it is leaving MSJB is because the celebration of the EF Mass never truly became an integral part of the parish and that’s tragic. Sad to say it does seem like Bp. Ryan was prophetic in his concerns.

Any idea how many the Queen of Heaven Cemetery Chapel holds?
 
Exorcist said:
You’re missing the point. “Distinct groups?” You mean they aren’t all part of the same parish? That is divisive. That is wrong.

Let’s say I am a parishioner of parish #1. They begin to celebrate the EF Mass at neighboring parish #2. I wish to attend the EF Mass so I begin attending parish #2. I should fully join and identify with my new parish (#2.) I think it’s very wrong and divisive to treat a “TLM community” as if it was a virtual sui juris church or even a virtual parish. It’s not fair to either parish #1 or especially to parish #2. If the celebration of the EF Mass began at a cemetery chapel it might well make sense to refer to the group attending the Mass as the “Queen of Heaven Community” (in this case), but it certainly makes no sense to describe this group as a “TLM Community” when they were part of MSJB parish. I suspect one of the reasons it is leaving MSJB is because the celebration of the EF Mass never truly became an integral part of the parish and that’s tragic. Sad to say it does seem like Bp. Ryan was prophetic in his concerns.

Any idea how many the Queen of Heaven Cemetery Chapel holds?
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Actually, it happens more than you think, and not just when the EF is involved.

The Vietnamese Catholics in San Jose are mostly members of one parish community (St. Patrick’s) but they celebrate Mass in many parish churches around the diocese.

The chapel is small. It could hold no more than a couple hundred if many remain standing.
 
SonCatcher said:
Actually, it happens more than you think, and not just when the EF is involved.

The Vietnamese Catholics in San Jose are mostly members of one parish community (St. Patrick’s) but they celebrate Mass in many parish churches around the diocese.

The chapel is small. It could hold no more than a couple hundred if many remain standing.
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That doesn’t mean it’s right or healthy. Where for example do the Vietnamese Catholics in San Jose tithe? To their parish or where they attend Mass?

This is altogether different from a completely separate sui juris church borrowing a parish church or chapel. A local example is the Byzantine Catholic Church in Los Gatos which borrows a Latin Rite chapel in Salinas to celebrate the Divine Liturgy for locals.

I guess if I was a big proponent of the EF Mass I would hope that grew in demand to be offered (and enthusiastically attended) at almost every parish in my diocese. What has been described here is really little more than isolating the celebration of the EF Mass to a single location for a rather large area.
 
Exorcist said:
That doesn’t mean it’s right or healthy. Where for example do the Vietnamese Catholics in San Jose tithe? To their parish or where they attend Mass?
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The priests from St. Patrick’s go to the other churches to celebrate Mass. How do you define the “parish” they are attending? Is it the parish whose church they are in or the parish that sent the priest?
This is altogether different from a completely separate sui juris church borrowing a parish church or chapel. A local example is the Byzantine Catholic Church in Los Gatos which borrows a Latin Rite chapel in Salinas to celebrate the Divine Liturgy for locals.
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Who should receive those offerings? St. Basil’s or Palma?
 
SonCatcher said:
The priests from St. Patrick’s go to the other churches to celebrate Mass. How do you define the “parish” they are attending? Is it the parish whose church they are in or the parish that sent the priest?

Who should receive those offerings? St. Basil’s or Palma?
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Why does St. Patrick’s send priests to other parishes to celebrate Masses?

Saint Basil’s with with an agreed to honorarium going to Palma High School. Anyways, I’m not going to get side-tracked on this issue.

What I will say in closing is it has been fascinating to watch the EF Mass history in the Diocese of Monterey over the past few decades. I even remember the “private” EF Masses that were celebrated at hotels in Monterey.

After Ecclesia Dei, Bp. Ryan forbid its celebration fearing division. While I deeply disagreed with him at the time and now believe his actions amplified any possible problems, his fear have been realized. I don’t think the division is anything near the severity he was concerned about however as the EF Mass is only celebrated all of two times in the entire diocese every Sunday.

For many years I heard how it would really “take off” if it were just offered in the diocese. When MP came along and the Mass was supported under Bp. Garcia I watched for it to “take off.” It’s been 5 years and it’s still the same two original Masses. I suspect that’s largely because of the desire for isolation from the rest of the diocese of those who attend and support the EF Mass. Probably also an inability to evangelize within the Church. Rather than being integral parts of (many!) existing parishes we are left with two isolated and thus marginalized “TLM communities” for the entire diocese. How terribly sad.
 
Exorcist said:
Why does St. Patrick’s send priests to other parishes to celebrate Masses?
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I suppose so there will be a priest who actually speaks Vietnamese present to preside over the Vietnamese language Mass.
 
Exorcist said:
I guess if I was a big proponent of the EF Mass I would hope that grew in demand to be offered (and enthusiastically attended) at almost every parish in my diocese.
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And so, toward that end, we move forward here. Glad you like our website! 👍
 
prettiefly said:
And so, toward that end, we move forward here. Glad you like our website! 👍
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As a wise older lady told me when I is was in RCIA, we are not “Traditional” or “Old school”, we are authentically Catholic.
 
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