A movie about Muhammad

[Lapell]

**We Muslims know more about our own religion and quite a lot about your beliefs too. You people do not take religion seriously. It is just a few drum beats and hymn singing on Sunday… The beliefs are all irrational, un-real. You believe those things so you feel that you are safe.

In that way the pagans also have some beliefs. They are not without beliefs. I have been here for long. i did not purposely try to avoid any of your good things. But there was intellectually none. Otherwise the christians are good loving people except some who are full of hatred. We love and respect every good fellow. You keep trying and teaching and preaching to me peacefully. I will read what you will write. That is all. You will be rewarded if you preached something good.**

Are all the Muslims good? Are all the observing Jews good? Are all the Christians good? Are all the Catholics good? Does it mean that Islam, or Judaism, or Christianity (Catholicism) aren’t good if some of their members behave quite badly?
When it comes to Islam, you might have a deeper thought since you are Muslim, but it doesn’t guarantee you that you will understand thoroughly all other religions. Our religion may seem irrational to you, but maybe you just were prejudiced against it from the start so that even if something could make sense, it would not in your eyes…
The same thing can happen to us, of course, and I don’t deny that.
It’s crazy how our minds can reject even very logical and even maybe true demonstrations without hesitation… (true, not just seemingly true)

 

[Lapell]

Sorry to have derailed from the topic that much… now that I have replied , I hope, to planten’s questions (or maybe not at all???), I’ll let you guys go on with the topic, although I am not interested in imagining doing any film on Muhammad whatsoever…
I don’t know him enough, and I would want to tell the authentic Muhammad from the false images… I am afraid I don’t have sure ways to achieve that even if I had been interested.

 

[chrisse]

**Muslim Woman has not gone back on anything. See your malafide topic " A movie about Muhammad". When discussing that, Muhammad needs to be known and the place where he was born and lived. All is well known whatever he did throughout his life.

It is not like Jesus whose 80 % of life is hidden in obscurity, i.e. from birth, jesus soon went away to Egypt. He lived there till the age of 12. Nobody knows what he was doing there in Egypt.

When he returned to his country, nothing is known about his doings (from age 12 till age 30) until he suddenly appears on the stage ready to launch a Crusade on the sacred city of Jerusalem. Within three years there was a downfall. After that, it is now 2000 years and nothing is known where is Jesus gone and what is he doing? So you see the difficulties if any video is made on the life of Jesus.

But I hope there is no need to make any video on the life of Muhammad as every aspect of his life is well known to the public. But thanks for your interest in Muhammad.**

Oops, I forgot, humour is haram.

 

[Bill_Pick]

If you were to create a movie regarding the Islamic Messenger of Allah, Muhammad, what scenes would you put in it?

I’m not looking for your details about the whole movie, but perhaps you could suggest a scene that would be worthy to teach people about Muhammad.

The idea is to create a movie that could teach people about Muhammad.

Love to help you but I do not that much about Fairty Tales. I think you can put in a lot of opinions. That works here lots of opinions

 

[R_not]

Love to help you but I do not that much about Fairty Tales. I think you can put in a lot of opinions. That works here lots of opinions

Actually, there is quite a bit about mohammed.

His father’s name was Abdallah (the servant of allah - gee, Abd’allah’ which proves that the pagan religion had allah as one of its gods!). And his father died before he was born.

There is some dispute if his father died 4 years before his birth (which means mohammed was illegitimate), or if he died about 6 months before he was born.

His mother was without a husband and she handed mohammed off as a baby to a wet nurse. The wet nurse handed him back because he had ‘fits’. Then when mohammed was about 4-5 years old his mother died. The ultimate abandonment to a young child.

His uncle took care of him and spoiled him. He went on caravans (which he learned that women and children went along on those caravans and they were not heavily armed which served him later when he started raiding them for slaves and loot after he thought up islam).

When he was a young man he married an older woman, Khadijah, (probably a mommy figure) who was wealthy, 15 years older, and mohammed didn’t have to work anymore. He was known to wander to caves to do whatever. (probably inhaled too many cave gases and that is when he saw his devil that Khadijah tried to ease his fears by saying it was an angel.)

Oh, by the way - mohammed was illiterate and was a pagan. He didn’t start his murdering, enslaving, stealing, torture and assasination until after he started islam and that was when he was well past 40. He probably already had no problems with deception since he would tell them and made out like allah was the great deceiver and commanded his followers to lie when convenient too.

Many books go into his early life.
-The Truth About mohammed
-The Life and Religion of mohammed
-Understanding muhammad, A Psychobiography

His so called peaceful time in Mecca, after he started islam, wasn’t always that peaceful. He was known to be a pill to people and the elders would go to mohammed’s uncle to ask him to stop his antics.

**Ishaq:119 “'Abu Tabib, your nephew Muhammad has cursed our gods [at this point he had cursed all of them, including Allah], insulted our religion [more correctly, insulted them by trying to steal their religion], mocked our way of life and accused our forefathers of error. Either you stop him or let us get to him. For you, like us, are in opposition to him. He gave them a conciliatory reply. They returned a second time and said, ‘We have asked you to put a stop to your nephew’s activities but you have not done so. By Allah, we cannot endure having our fathers reviled and our customs mocked.’ Muhammad thought that his uncle had the idea of abandoning and betraying him, and that he was going to lose his support. The Apostle broke into tears.”

Tabari VI:93 “The Quraysh went to Abu Talib and said, ‘Your nephew [Muhammad] has reviled our gods, denounced our religion, derided our traditional values, and told us that our forefathers were misguided [and burning in hell]. Either curb his attacks on us or give us a free hand to deal with him, for you are as opposed to him as we are.’ They said, ‘We asked you to forbid your nephew from attacking us, but you did nothing. By Allah, we can no longer endure this vilification of our forefathers, this derision of our traditional values, and this abuse of our gods.’ This breach and enmity with his tribe weighed heavily on Talib. ‘Abu Talib, you are our elder and our chief, so give us justice against your nephew and order him to desist from reviling our gods, and we will leave him to his god.’”

Tabari VI:95 “Abu Talib sent for Muhammad. ‘Nephew, here are the shaykhs and nobles of your tribe. They have asked for justice against you. You should desist from reviling their gods and they will leave you to your god.’”

Tabari VI:96 “Abu Talib said to Muhammad, ‘Nephew, how is it that your tribe is complaining of you and claiming that you are reviling their gods and saying this, that, and the other?’ The Messenger said, 'I want them to utter one saying. If they say it, the Arabs will submit to them and the non-Arabs will pay the jizyah [submission tax] to them.”**

So you see there is quite a bit about mohammed. And the book I mentioned above, Understanding muhammad, A Psychobiography, used islam’s own texts as sources to discover that mohammed probably had things like narcissism, obsessive-compulsive disorder, paranoia, and temporal lobe epilepsy. Most of these would explain his visions, his behavior - especially his oversexed behavior, and other things as well. If he were born today he could be medicated for some of the problems.

mohammed and TLE

I will go into another post about his narcissism.

 

[R_not]

narcissism

Some of mohammed’s delusions are discussed in the thread called ‘Muhammad committed shirk many times’. And here are some items more specific to narcissism.

• he thought he was the anointed messenger of God and the Seal of the Prophets (which I have already proven that he was not a prophet according to the Bible) Q 33:40
• mohammed regarded himself as Khayru-l-Khalq (the Best of Creation), an excellent example Q 33:21
• explicitly or implicitly hinted to be ‘exalted above other prophets in degrees’ Q2:253
• claimed to be ‘the preferred one’ Q21:107
• sent to as a ‘Mercy to the worlds’ Q21:107
• to have been risen ‘to a praised estate’ Q17:79 This is a station that no one but he would receive and this is the station of intercession at the right hand of the almighty next to his glorious throne. In other words he would be the one to advise allah who would go to hades and who would go to heaven.

mohammed claimed:
-allah created mohammed’s soul first
-allah created mohammed’s mind first (too bad it made so many mistakes!
-that mohammed is from allah and the believers are from mohammed
-allah gave him a noble character
-were it not for mohammed the Universe would not be created

The reality is that naricissists suffer from a great deal of self-esteem and needs an outside supply of adulation, admiration and greatness. And it seems that mohammed’s needs were very great indeed!

mohammed was a pathological narcissist. According to Dr. Sam Vaknin (author of ‘Malignant Self-Love’), a pathological narcissist has an extreme lack of empathy. The narcissist treats others as objects to be exploited and uses them for his narcissistic supply. He believes that he is entitled to special treatment because of his own fantasies about himself. The narcissist is NOT self-aware. His cognitiion and emotions are distorted. The narcissist lies to imself and to others, projecting ‘untouchability’, emotional immunity and invincibility. for a narcissist everything is bigger than life. His promises are outlandish, his criticism is violent and ominous, and his generosity inane. The narcissist is a master of disguise. He is a charmer, a talented actor, a magician and a director of both himself and his milieu. It is very difficult to expose im as such in the first encounter.

narcissist, personality disorder

the narcissist needs admirers. Anyone inside his ‘circle’ he rewards and encourages their sycophantism and he is the center. Anyone outside of the ‘circle’ are his enemies. (sounds a lot like fascists! ‘either you are with me or you are against me’. No wonder it is so easy to compare islam to communism and nazism)

-he is the center, the guru
-he demands obedience
-he feels entitled to adulation and special treatment
-he punishes the wayward
-he enforces discipline, adherence to his teachings and common goals
-the less accomplished he is the more stringent his mastery and the more pervasive the brainwashing (mohammed must have not been very accomplished at all!)
-control is based on ambiguous, unpredictable, fuzzy and ambient abuse.
-whims are ever shifting (which explains allah changing its mind all the time!)
-he alone determines right and wrong (which explains mohammed having to redefine sin!
-he is a micromanager (which explains why there over concern with other’s potty behavior, etc)
-he punishes and abuses severly those who do not conform to his wishes
-he ignores the wishes of his followers, he has no respect for their boundaries and need for privacy because he treats them as objects
-he disapproves of other’s autonomy and independence - even the most inane require his approval which means that the follower are gradually isolated from their friends and famly
-he acts in a patronizing and condescending manner and criticizes often.
-he is unrealistic in his expectations

And the big problem is that so many just follow blindly like so many followed Mao, Stalin, Hitler, etc!

His facade is one of modesty, self-effacing, one in the service of God, humanity or the cause. And we see that behind this facade is a clear motive, or goal. And the goal is to establish islam’s laws - not necessarily convert us to islam - just to be subjugated to it.

 

[Bill_Pick]

**morning_star has praised angelos for the reply. But angelos did not remember that man god (Jesus) arrived thousands of years late in the world. Did God forget to send him quickly. I cannot believe that God would forget to send his son to the world after thousands of years of mankind. Why did God do that? Sent Jesus very late, say 1400 years after Moses and two thousand years after abraham… Why was that? Was that a mistake of your God, the Father God.

It all goes to show that Catholics have no understanding of any religion and no patience and no justice / consideration for the feelings of others.

**

PLANTEN PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTION why do you keep posting fairty tales, we are Christian and we do not believe in fairty tales, you do but christians do not, ,please stop, you and other like you are insulting to all Christians

 

[R_not]

I think I would put in a movie about mohammed the following:

• the stuff about his early life that I mentioned in the posts above.
• the marrying of the older woman
• show the correlation between the kabaa, allah and the black rock to that pagan religion and their rituals.
• show mohammed going to a cave and being alone and having a terrifying vision - one that makes it unbelievable that he saw any angel, but probably sniffed in too many cave gases, and/or had one of his fits.
• show mohammed changing to a lustful, oversexed prophet who ridiculed others while trying to shove off his new religion onto others.
• show the change in mohammed and show his battles, raids, assasinations, greed (loot and slaves), and oversexed self. Show him attacking caravans that were laden with loot and women/children and him beheading the men and taking the rest and passing the loot and people around as booty. Show his terrorism.
• show him beheading all the males - and boys with hair. Show him breaking his cease fires/peace treaties and show him ok with subjugating whole tribes/cities.
• show him lusting after his stepson’s wife and him using his new version of god to justify his lusts.
• show him being poisoned by one of his slaves that he killed her men relatives and probably enslaved any children she had or any women/child relatives.

And the thing is that all of this can be gotten from the hadiths and koran. Some of the books I mentioned in my earlier posts on this thread tell of some books that make it easier to read since the koran and hadiths are worthy of a headache.

 

[jakasaki]

I think I would put in a movie about mohammed the following:

• the stuff about his early life that I mentioned in the posts above.
• the marrying of the older woman
• show the correlation between the kabaa, allah and the black rock to that pagan religion and their rituals.
• show mohammed going to a cave and being alone and having a terrifying vision - one that makes it unbelievable that he saw any angel, but probably sniffed in too many cave gases, and/or had one of his fits.
• show mohammed changing to a lustful, oversexed prophet who ridiculed others while trying to shove off his new religion onto others.
• show the change in mohammed and show his battles, raids, assasinations, greed (loot and slaves), and oversexed self. Show him attacking caravans that were laden with loot and women/children and him beheading the men and taking the rest and passing the loot and people around as booty.
• show him lusting after his stepson’s wife and him using his new version of god to justify his lusts.
• show him being poisoned by one of his slaves that he killed her men relatives and probably enslaved any children she had or any women/child relatives.

And the thing is that all of this can be gotten from the hadiths and koran. Some of the books I mentioned in my earlier posts on this thread tell of some books that make it easier to read since the koran and hadiths are worthy of a headache.

Cuuuutttttttt!!! And Print - It’s a wrap folks…

 

[R_not]

Cuuuutttttttt!!! And Print - It’s a wrap folks…

I forgot one thing for the movie - and take us to the future with one of his battles against the caravans that were full of women and children and unarmed - and show what the current muslims do to children (beheading schoolgirls, kidnapping and raping girls - well, they call it marrying off non-muslim girls - and how their ‘sensitive urban areas’ in our countries are dangerous places for non-muslims to be. Show some clerics spouting out the same sort of rhetoric that tells us they are in a jihad against us - a stealth jihad, or a violent jihad.

And then the movie can wrap it up. Maybe end with a big boom… like the bombing of the Jews and their torture that was so gruesome the people who came upon the bodies got ill. And then zoom over to Gaza where the Hamas are grabbing their own kids, and lobbing bombs aimed at the Israeli children. And show them lobbing bombs from that hospital. And then one last zoom - over to Eastern Europe where they are forcing children to dress and pray like muslims and then… where our own nitwits allow their children to ‘dress/pray like a muslim’ for a day.

Then make it a wrap.

 

[jakasaki]

I forgot one thing for the movie - and take us to the future with one of his battles against the caravans that were full of women and children and unarmed - and show what the current muslims do to children (beheading schoolgirls, kidnapping and raping girls - well, they call it marrying off non-muslim girls - and how their ‘sensitive urban areas’ in our countries are dangerous places for non-muslims to be. Show some clerics spouting out the same sort of rhetoric that tells us they are in a jihad against us - a stealth jihad, or a violent jihad.

And then the movie can wrap it up. Maybe end with a big boom… like the bombing of the Jews and their torture that was so gruesome the people who came upon the bodies got ill. And then zoom over to Gaza where the Hamas are grabbing their own kids, and lobbing bombs aimed at the Israeli children. And show them lobbing bombs from that hospital. And then one last zoom - over to Eastern Europe where they are forcing children to dress and pray like muslims and then… where our own nitwits allow their children to ‘dress/pray like a muslim’ for a day.

Then make it a wrap.

OK folks … back on stage… for re-takes…and enhancements…

Production filming starts… now… Andddddd Actionnnnnn!!!

 

[chrisse]

I forgot one thing for the movie - and take us to the future with one of his battles against the caravans that were full of women and children and unarmed - and show what the current muslims do to children (beheading schoolgirls, kidnapping and raping girls - well, they call it marrying off non-muslim girls - and how their ‘sensitive urban areas’ in our countries are dangerous places for non-muslims to be. Show some clerics spouting out the same sort of rhetoric that tells us they are in a jihad against us - a stealth jihad, or a violent jihad.

And then the movie can wrap it up. Maybe end with a big boom… like the bombing of the Jews and their torture that was so gruesome the people who came upon the bodies got ill. And then zoom over to Gaza where the Hamas are grabbing their own kids, and lobbing bombs aimed at the Israeli children. And show them lobbing bombs from that hospital. And then one last zoom - over to Eastern Europe where they are forcing children to dress and pray like muslims and then… where our own nitwits allow their children to ‘dress/pray like a muslim’ for a day.

Then make it a wrap.

Don’t leave out the whinging and crying out of the muslim’s victimhood as they are slaughtering, enslaving, raping and pillaging. You know, where people actually defend themselves against these barbarian saracens - and it’s the saracens who are innocent.

 

[R_not]

Don’t leave out the whinging and crying out of the muslim’s victimhood as they are slaughtering, enslaving, raping and pillaging. You know, where people actually defend themselves against these barbarian saracens - and it’s the saracens who are innocent.

That would be in between the battle scenes.

And then the correlation between the early thugs and the later thugs and how they carry out what mohammed did back in the 7th century to this day. the deception, the smarming their way into lands under the disguise of a religion and then the violence that follows.

It is why the movie would have to be at least a mini-series.

Now, would the hollyweirdos have the gonads to make such a film? I saw what the History Channel put out and my first guess is… NO!

The first few minutes would be the 9/11, or some other bombing that brought the world to their attention and then the dancing and the ulalating women celebrating around this world. It would then go to… a lone, young Arab woman giving birth to a baby. And someone mentioning his father died, and her handing the baby off to a wet nurse… and so goes the rest of the movie that I have laid out.

 

[josie_L]

I forgot one thing for the movie - and take us to the future with one of his battles against the caravans that were full of women and children and unarmed - and show what the current muslims do to children (beheading schoolgirls, kidnapping and raping girls - well, they call it marrying off non-muslim girls - and how their ‘sensitive urban areas’ in our countries are dangerous places for non-muslims to be. Show some clerics spouting out the same sort of rhetoric that tells us they are in a jihad against us - a stealth jihad, or a violent jihad.

And then the movie can wrap it up. Maybe end with a big boom… like the bombing of the Jews and their torture that was so gruesome the people who came upon the bodies got ill. And then zoom over to Gaza where the Hamas are grabbing their own kids, and lobbing bombs aimed at the Israeli children. And show them lobbing bombs from that hospital. And then one last zoom - over to Eastern Europe where they are forcing children to dress and pray like muslims and then… where our own nitwits allow their children to ‘dress/pray like a muslim’ for a day.

Then make it a wrap.

You’re very thorough, R_not. But you forgot about Aisha playing with her dolls and Mohammed lusting after her.

 

[R_not]

You’re very thorough, R_not. But you forgot about Aisha playing with her dolls and Mohammed lusting after her.

I am having fun with this!

I actually did think of her but lumped her into the lust/greed part of the video.

She would actually have a role to play in the film. She is the one who started the women having to have 4 witnesses or else they are stoned, hanged, or killed in some way. This scene should show everyone that she was in a questionable situation and basically cheated on mohammed. (does anyone blame her!!!) She was in the presence of a nice, looking younger man and well… we don’t have to have a dirty film - just leave it to the imagination.

The person who should play mohammed should be someone who is not ugly, but does indeed get ugly as life passes by. He is said to have been wounded in battle. Some even say he had some sort of disease that distorted him later in life - I don’t know if they know for sure about all of that. but for the movie’s sake - as he ages he should have battle wounds and not be aging gracefully because one cannot be ugly on the inside and not affect the outside appearance. He was said to be handsome when he was young - and that should be not how he looks when he gets older.

I don’t think an actor that is known today should play him, and there should be prosthetics used as he ages. Aisha should be a pretty child who grows into a pretty woman, but some of the others such as the stepson’s wife should be prettier. There were some ‘dogs’ that he married to that watched his children after his first wife died. He kept them as his wives, but never visited them. His children are almost non-entities and should be seen in one or two scenes. One of his followers, ali, was married to one of his daughters and that daughter should be seen more often but not heard from.

 

[chrisse]

I am having fun with this!

I actually did think of her but lumped her into the lust/greed part of the video.

She would actually have a role to play in the film. She is the one who started the women having to have 4 witnesses or else they are stoned, hanged, or killed in some way. This scene should show everyone that she was in a questionable situation and basically cheated on mohammed. (does anyone blame her!!!) She was in the presence of a nice, looking younger man and well… we don’t have to have a dirty film - just leave it to the imagination.

The person who should play mohammed should be someone who is not ugly, but does indeed get ugly as life passes by. He is said to have been wounded in battle. Some even say he had some sort of disease that distorted him later in life - I don’t know if they know for sure about all of that. but for the movie’s sake - as he ages he should have battle wounds and not be aging gracefully because one cannot be ugly on the inside and not affect the outside appearance. He was said to be handsome when he was young - and that should be not how he looks when he gets older.

I don’t think an actor that is known today should play him, and there should be prosthetics used as he ages. Aisha should be a pretty child who grows into a pretty woman, but some of the others such as the stepson’s wife should be prettier. There were some ‘dogs’ that he married to that watched his children after his first wife died. He kept them as his wives, but never visited them. His children are almost non-entities and should be seen in one or two scenes. One of his followers, ali, was married to one of his daughters and that daughter should be seen more often but not heard from.

Did you miss the most important part - when Khadija told him he was a prophet?

It would be impossible to make a movie on mohammed that is the truth and not have it banned as a pornographic movie.

 

[josie_L]

Did you miss the most important part - when Khadija told him he was a prophet?

It would be impossible to make a movie on mohammed that is the truth and not have it banned as a pornographic movie.

“1001 Arabian Nights” starring Mohammed, his wives, concubines and slaves . . .etc.

 

[R_not]

Did you miss the most important part - when Khadija told him he was a prophet?

It would be impossible to make a movie on mohammed that is the truth and not have it banned as a pornographic movie.

Just put and R rating on it.

You might be right. Putting in a scene with Aisha and her younger male friend would be better than an old mohammed and her, or him with his other slaves/wives. But, it wouldn’t be complete without mohammed and his lecherous self in many scenes since his motivation was sex quite often. Greed kept the jihads going.

Boy, maybe it should be X rated.

 

[Verisimilitude]

Don’t leave this scene on the cutting room floor:

Narrated Sahl: That he was asked about the wound of the Prophet on the day (of the battle) of Uhud. He said, “The face of the Prophet as wounded and one of his front teeth as broken and the helmet over his head was smashed. Fatima washed of the blood while Ali held water. When she saw that bleeding was increasing continuously, she burnt a mat (of date-palm leaves) till it turned into ashes which she put over the wound and thus the bleeding ceased.” (Book #52, Hadith #159)~Bukhari

Could be why Mohammed doesn’t like pictures of himself.

 

[Charlotte2008]

Please can someone tell me why any sane person would convert or even want to be part of that evil cult! It is sick sick sick.