A movie about Muhammad

[Lapell]

Planten has a habit of bringing up off-topic subjects in his responses in order to change the direction of the thread away from subjects Muslims don’t wish to discuss. He sometimes tries to bring up Jesus or aspects of Christianity in order to put the spotlight elsewhere.

Your reply wasn’t wrong - as I don’t believe mine was either.

O.K., I think I get it… although it seems as though he was replying a bit this way: “You are saying this about Muhammad and his favorite wife (usually a thing to make Muhammad look very bad), how would you feel if I said a similar thing about Jesus and his blessed mother?” Ever noticed this? It always seems to sound like: “It’s as though I would say a similar thing about your man of God”
Why he feels he HAS TO do it when he could show much better in my view is beyond me… But people tend to want to at least equalize when they feel attacked. Very human in fact. Though one could go beyond that, I believe…

 

[sedonaman]

“You are saying this about Muhammad and his favorite wife (usually a thing to make Muhammad look very bad), how would you feel if I said a similar thing about Jesus and his blessed mother?” Ever noticed this?

Yes, and it is still avoiding the issue. What does he expect when he comes to a Christian forum, to hear us all convert to Islam and praise Allah? If he can’t stand the heat, he should get out of the kitchen.

 

[Jay53]

O.K., I think I get it… although it seems as though he was replying a bit this way: “You are saying this about Muhammad and his favorite wife (usually a thing to make Muhammad look very bad), how would you feel if I said a similar thing about Jesus and his blessed mother?” Ever noticed this? It always seems to sound like: “It’s as though I would say a similar thing about your man of God”
Why he feels he HAS TO do it when he could show much better in my view is beyond me… But people tend to want to at least equalize when they feel attacked. Very human in fact. Though one could go beyond that, I believe…

I agree. And I have a tendency to want to correct gross misrepresentations of our faith even when they’re off-topic.

I apologize to anyone whose thread I have derailed. :imsorry:

 

[chrisse]

**chrisse, who told Mary that her son was marvellous something?. When the magis told and the shepherds too, the mother and actual father of Jesus were surprised, were wondering what the magis were telling them. It was as if the parents did not know anything about the great status of new born Jesus.

Khadijah referred the matter to some one and supported her husband by saying that Allah would never let him down because he was such a good person. that is all she said.

But look at Mary and Joseph the carpentar, the namesake husband of Mary. They did not know anything about the status of Jesus and some people who had (supposedly) seen some star, they were telling M<ary and Jospeh. How strange? It appers that it was all made up story.

The role of Joseph the carpentar in the whole affair is very much doubtful. Look after your own video of your own supposed people please.

**

Planten, come on, everyone knows that Waraqa told Khadija to test if it was an angel by the following :

1. Mohammed sits on Khadija’s thigh - the “angel” stays;
2. Mohammed sits on Khadija’s other thigh - the “angel” stays;
3. Mohammed sits on Khadija’s lap while she lifts her veil (there is also the claim that mohammed goes under Khadija’s clothes - the “angel” goes.

Because of the third, where the “angel” goes, Khadija declares the apparition an “angel” not a demon. Waraqa then declares it the same angel that came to Moses.

Please this continual denial says much about the muslims here.

And why did this apparition have to almost choke mohammed? Never before did an angel from YHHW do such a thing. Why was mohammed so incredibly scared? Never before did an angel from YHWH have the frightening impact to the degree that Mohammed experienced?

 

[sedonaman]

Planten, come on, everyone knows that Waraqa told Khadija to test if it was an angel by the following :

1. Mohammed sits on Khadija’s thigh - the “angel” stays;
2. Mohammed sits on Khadija’s other thigh - the “angel” stays;
3. Mohammed sits on Khadija’s lap while she lifts her veil (there is also the claim that mohammed goes under Khadija’s clothes - the “angel” goes.

Because of the third, where the “angel” goes, Khadija declares the apparition an “angel” not a demon. Waraqa then declares it the same angel that came to Moses.

Please this continual denial says much about the muslims here.

And why did this apparition have to almost choke mohammed? Never before did an angel from YHHW do such a thing. Why was mohammed so incredibly scared? Never before did an angel from YHWH have the frightening impact to the degree that Mohammed experienced?

Way to go! Keep Mohammed the topic.

 

[chrisse]

Back on topic, here’s a good starting point for a movie on Mohammed - Muslim’s Perfect Man.

 

[R_not]

Back on topic, here’s a good starting point for a movie on Mohammed - Muslim’s Perfect Man.

That is a very good video. It really covers a lot. It seems Bertrand Russell and I agree on the redefinition of sin. He just says it differently. He describes it as morality, good/evil.

 

[jakasaki]

That is a very good video. It really covers a lot.

Just finished watching it myself. This stuff should not be happening in the 21st century.

 

[R_not]

Just finished watching it myself. This stuff should not be happening in the 21st century.

When you have countries that are so backward as, for example: Pakistan, Afghanistan, parts of Africa, etc. Then we will continue to see this happening.

but, this doesn’t explain the ones such as sister amy who has the ability to find out about islam at her fingertips. Why are people such as her lured to islam? Why is she so willing to twist evil into good, allow herself to be deceived and then do it to others? To be chosing to be utterly ignorant of what islam is about for women too! What she is condemning her future little girls to and also her little boys to is a future of hatred and a moral decay. Is that really how you want your sons to behave - like killers, or abusers of women, for some god?!

I am going to post what that Bertrand Russell said,

'Thus, over a billion people believe in allah without truly knowing what allah supposedly stands for or what he really demans of them. And the minority that do understand continue to be moslems because they have redefined their morality and ethics to fit within the teachings of islam, which are floridly lacking in morality.
They therefore redefine what is good and evil in order to fit their lives into what is preached by islam to see if it fits within the good life. Backwards thinking, imposed by a backward religion.

I can guess that we can ask why did people kill so willingly for Mao, or Hitler, or Stalin - and who knows how many countless other fascist thugs!? It is the same thing. With islam it is a bit different since mohammed mixed up a god into it all. Like Stalin did too - except Stalin mixed up himself as that god and it is harder to convince people that mohammed was actually that ‘creature’ called allah because too many think it is actually the God of Israel, or a monotheistic God, or even a pagan god of mohammed’s old religion.

 

[chrisse]

When you have countries that are so backward as, for example: Pakistan, Afghanistan, parts of Africa, etc. Then we will continue to see this happening.

but, this doesn’t explain the ones such as sister amy who has the ability to find out about islam at her fingertips. Why are people such as her lured to islam? Why is she so willing to twist evil into good, allow herself to be deceived and then do it to others? To be chosing to be utterly ignorant of what islam is about for women too! What she is condemning her future little girls to and also her little boys to is a future of hatred and a moral decay. Is that really how you want your sons to behave - like killers, or abusers of women, for some god?!

I am going to post what that Bertrand Russell said,

I can guess that we can ask why did people kill so willingly for Mao, or Hitler, or Stalin - and who knows how many countless other fascist thugs!? It is the same thing. With islam it is a bit different since mohammed mixed up a god into it all. Like Stalin did too - except Stalin mixed up himself as that god and it is harder to convince people that mohammed was actually that ‘creature’ called allah because too many think it is actually the God of Israel, or a monotheistic God, or even a pagan god of mohammed’s old religion.

It is my opinion that mohammad is allah; mohammed made himself the god of Islam.

 

[Ran]

Faithful to both sides? You mean, you want a movie that shows him as hatefully as western propaganda does? I sure hope that never happens because it’d be a bunch of lies.

A movie of Muhammad (may the judgement of Jesus Christ be upon him) should show him as is described in the Koran. Of course, if the description in the Koran is followed then the movie will show Muhammad as a bloody warlord who speard his faith by the sword and as someone is contradicted himself endlessly (read the Koran if you don’t believe me). Unlike Jesus who feed throusands with a couple of fish and a couple of loafs of bread, the movie whill show Muhammad and his follows during their year of hunger in which they had to eat the dung of animals. Unlike Jesus who had mercy upon a woman who committed adultery by telling others “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”, the movie will show Muhammad having no mercy upon a woman who committed adultery, it will show him giving her baby to one of his friends and then ordering the woman stoned - - - I guess the peace of Islam was upon her. A truthful movie of Islam and Muhammad will show than anyone who tries to leave the Islamic faith is killed by their fellow Muslims.

By the way, when you converted to Islam did anyone tell you that if you changed your mind later that one of those nice Musilms men would kill you? They are ordered to do so by the Koran - - - they did it then and they do it now. A nice example of the peace and love one can expect from Islam. Islam means to “submit”, ie become a slave, and you have indeed become a slave because you lost all of your freedoms.

May the peace and love of the Jesus Christ be upon you.

 

[sedonaman]

Islam means to “submit”, ie become a slave, and you have indeed become a slave because you lost all of your freedoms.

In fact, ither Sister Amy or Muslim Woman stated this very thing. I asked which they would rather be, a slave of Allah or a child and heir of God. Still waiting for an answer.

 

[Verisimilitude]

It is my opinion that mohammad is allah; mohammed made himself the god of Islam.

I would not discount the spirit that first appeared to Mohammed in the cave at Hira. Mohammed may have been sincere in his meditations about God, for his life was unremarkable up until that point.

His first reaction was genuine as far as the hadith go. He was so frightened that he first planned on killing himslef by throwing himslef off the mountain, but the spirit frightened him away again so he ran home to his wife. He had no idea what tossed him around in the cave. The prophecies about being unaccepted and driven out at first were added after he died to make it seem to come true.

There was a long period of silence between the first call and when they are reported to have resumed a few years later. I don’t know how often (if) that spirit actually came back but I suspect it did some times, but by then Mohammed had been convinced it was from God and the spirit/demon let him believe that, but he was being deceived because the spirit/demon never directly identifies itself. I think it does when Satan is quoted in the Quran, but many/most other suras are from Mohammeds own mind.

 

[planten]

Yes, and it is still avoiding the issue. What does he expect when he comes to a Christian forum, to hear us all convert to Islam and praise Allah? If he can’t stand the heat, he should get out of the kitchen.

**sedonaman, I have no interest in converting any of you. I wish you remain where youa re and be good natured person, not looking for trouble. I am not here to convert any one. i am here to listen to every one and I hope that all will be good non-abusive people. You say good things about my religion and I will say good things about your religion. Is that very difficult for you?

I feel that lapell has described my position reasonably well and i am thankful.**

 

[Ran]

You say good things about my religion and I will say good things about your religion. Is that very difficult for you?

Due to my religion it is difficult for me. Rather than just say good things I must speak the truth. In the Bible there are Ten Commandments from God that we must follow (the Koran does not contain anything like them). One of those commandments is, “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour”. Therefore, I will be breaking this commandment if I agreed to blindly say good thing about Islam.

On the other hand, the Koran states that Muslims can lie and should lie to those outside of Islam in order to advance Islam. I guess you can say that you are commanded by the Koran to bear false witness. So I guess I should take with a grain of salt any thing you say. :ehh:.

 

[Lapell]

**sedonaman, I have no interest in converting any of you. I wish you remain where youa re and be good natured person, not looking for trouble. I am not here to convert any one. i am here to listen to every one and I hope that all will be good non-abusive people. You say good things about my religion and I will say good things about your religion. Is that very difficult for you?

I feel that lapell has described my position reasonably well and i am thankful.**

Thank you! Even when I disagree with you I certainly want to be fair to you!!
Jesus said: “Render to Caesar what is Caesar’s”, and so I try to do just that.

 

[sedonaman]

You say good things about my religion and I will say good things about your religion. Is that very difficult for you?

About as difficult as it is for you to stick to the point.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

Muslim Documentary on Muhammad (PBUH)

The idea itself is daunting: How do you make a film about the life of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)? There are some seemingly insurmountable challenges, the least of which is creating a film about a man without showing his image. But Muhammad: Legacy of a Prophet, which airs Wednesday December 18 on PBS, uses classic and creative tactics to touch on the major points of the Prophet’s (pbuh) life and how his example plays out for American Muslims today.

The two-hour film begins with his birth and presents the familiar history most Muslims hear in school or at their parents or grandparents’ knees. In that respect, many Muslims stand to gain little new information. But the documentary, produced by Alex Kronemer and Michael Wolfe, excels in tying the Prophet’s (pbuh) legacy to modern American Muslims. The key is in the title .

…At key moments in the Prophet’s (pbuh) history, the film switches gears to Muslims today. We meet Kevin James, a fire marshal in Brooklyn, NY who converted to Islam as a young man; Daisy Khan, an architect in New York who organized a Muslim artists program in response to September 11 th ; and Najah Bazzy, a critical care nurse in Dearborn, MI, among others.

These segments, though sometimes distracting from the timeline of the Prophet’s (pbuh) life, provide the key elements in explaining his legacy as it unfolds today.

Muhammad: Legacy of a Prophetairs Wednesday, Dec. 18 th at 9 p.m. on more than 900 PBS affiliates. Visit www.pbs.org for more information.

islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1158658408716&pagename=Zone-English-ArtCulture%2FACELayout

 

[RobbyS]

In the late 70’s there was a movie about Muhammad that hit US theaters…I think it was called “Muhammed, Messenger of God.”

It was very well done I thought. My wife and I went to a packed theater in San Jose Ca. to see it.

It was bizarre, because Mohammed was neither seen nor heard. Anthony Quin would stare into the camera and repeat what Mohammed was supposed to have said to him.

 

[RobbyS]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

Muslim Documentary on Muhammad (PBUH)

The idea itself is daunting: How do you make a film about the life of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)? There are some seemingly insurmountable challenges, the least of which is creating a film about a man without showing his image. But Muhammad: Legacy of a Prophet, which airs Wednesday December 18 on PBS, uses classic and creative tactics to touch on the major points of the Prophet’s (pbuh) life and how his example plays out for American Muslims today.

The two-hour film begins with his birth and presents the familiar history most Muslims hear in school or at their parents or grandparents’ knees. In that respect, many Muslims stand to gain little new information. But the documentary, produced by Alex Kronemer and Michael Wolfe, excels in tying the Prophet’s (pbuh) legacy to modern American Muslims. The key is in the title .

…At key moments in the Prophet’s (pbuh) history, the film switches gears to Muslims today. We meet Kevin James, a fire marshal in Brooklyn, NY who converted to Islam as a young man; Daisy Khan, an architect in New York who organized a Muslim artists program in response to September 11 th ; and Najah Bazzy, a critical care nurse in Dearborn, MI, among others.

These segments, though sometimes distracting from the timeline of the Prophet’s (pbuh) life, provide the key elements in explaining his legacy as it unfolds today.

Muhammad: Legacy of a Prophetairs Wednesday, Dec. 18 th at 9 p.m. on more than 900 PBS affiliates. Visit www.pbs.org for more information.

islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1158658408716&pagename=Zone-English-ArtCulture%2FACELayout

I wonder if PBS would dare give a skeptical view of Mohammed? They don’t hesitate to give non-Christian’s views of Christ. Fact is that there are no non-islamic historical sources for the events of Mohammed’s life.