A movie about Muhammad

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About as difficult as it is for you to stick to the point.
** sedonaman, Let us see who breaks the pledge. If you do not partake in any slanderous mission against the prophet or Islam, I will also not do anything against your beliefs. But if any one other than you (there are many) who will start their bad compaign then I may reply to them. You should then stop those people and do not blame me please.

I have no interest that any one tries to abuse the senior beloved leaders of any faith (any faith). I also wish that I present all the good things of my religion and you also do the same i.e. present something good from your church teachings. Then we leave it at that. No need to run into any politics too and no need to search something awkward from the books of Hadith so that i also do not search out something bad from your books.

Why not we remain content on our own books. No need to enter into the others books. In that way you can do some good preaching too.

Don’t worry. I never started any slanderous matter. I never initiated it. But if some one did it only then I replied in the same coin i.e. to give unto Caiser what is Caisers and chase the devil to his home…**…
 
Thank you! Even when I disagree with you I certainly want to be fair to you!!
Jesus said: “Render to Caesar what is Caesar’s”, and so I try to do just that.
**Thanks Lapell, You are right. You need not have same beliefs as i have. You can have your own beliefs. The good things that you will do will all be returned to you in good kind and nothing of your good deeds will be wasted. That is my sincere opinion. So keep up your good work.

I believe that even if we cannot do anything real good, it is enough to support goodness. That could help a lot. But again you can have your own faith, your own beliefs.

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** sedonaman, Let us see who breaks the pledge. If you do not partake in any slanderous mission against the prophet or Islam

Why not we remain content on our own books. No need to enter into the others books. In that way you can do some good preaching too.

Don’t worry. I never started any slanderous matter. I never initiated it. But if some one did it only then I replied in the same coin i.e. to give unto Caiser what is Caisers and chase the devil to his home…**…
Speaking the truth about Islam is not Slander. Maybe you should shake off your rigid fear of questioning your own religion. What part of Mo being a paedophile or mass murderer do you have a problem with exactly? It has been proved on here countless times. In fact, if you only wish to stick to your own books then why not go to a muslim board instead of doing (the usual tedious) dawa on this site. You are not going to convert anyone on here in any case. BTW denying Jesus is the Son of God and the only way to salvation is slander.

If Islam is a true religion why has no muslim taken and won Ali Sina’s Challenge - take it faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/.
 
Speaking the truth about Islam is not Slander. Maybe you should shake off your rigid fear of questioning your own religion. What part of Mo being a paedophile or mass murderer do you have a problem with exactly? It has been proved on here countless times. In fact, if you only wish to stick to your own books then why not go to a muslim board instead of doing (the usual tedious) dawa on this site. You are not going to convert anyone on here in any case. BTW denying Jesus is the Son of God and the only way to salvation is slander.

If Islam is a true religion why has no muslim taken and won Ali Sina’s Challenge - take it faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/.
Charlotte, that’s what I don’t get. Their denial. I mean, if to a muslim Mohammad is the perfect man, why all the lies about him; especially as it’s easily found in the authentic Islamic texts, let alone the fruit of Islamic civilisation.

You spend more time proving with authentic sources the truth of Islam to muslims, than you do about debating the tenets of Islam and their immorality and degradation.

If they don’t like their prophet, then leave Islam. What’s so hard about the truth for a muslim?
 
Charlotte, that’s what I don’t get. Their denial. I mean, if to a muslim Mohammad is the perfect man, why all the lies about him; especially as it’s easily found in the authentic Islamic texts, let alone the fruit of Islamic civilisation.

You spend more time proving with authentic sources the truth of Islam to muslims, than you do about debating the tenets of Islam and their immorality and degradation.

If they don’t like their prophet, then leave Islam. What’s so hard about the truth for a muslim?
Its says in the quran they are not allowed to question to word of “allah”. Not surprising when mo is allah and needed people to blindly believe it! Watch the video in my footer of mohammed. Fortunately millions are leaving. 75% of converts abandon it within 1-3 years which is admitted by scholars so doubt very much there are as many muslims as they claim.
 
I wonder if PBS would dare give a skeptical view of Mohammed? They don’t hesitate to give non-Christian’s views of Christ. Fact is that there are no non-islamic historical sources for the events of Mohammed’s life.
PBS aired a film Islam: Empire of Faith and made it into a DVD. I checked it out of the library and watched it. I found it somewhat lacking in objectivity and completely lacking in other well-documented aspects of Islam. As a documentary, it fails in its mission to “document”.

Here are my observations:

The Crusades

Islam: Empire of Faith presents Islam in the best possible light and Christianity in the worst. One of the interviewees stated that the first Crusade was a response to the burning of the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem in 1005 by the Caliph whom she described as “[only] one mad man.” This is difficult to accept because the first Crusade was in 1095, 90 years later. There is no mention of the Crusades as a possible response to 463 years of Muslim aggression into Europe (see Jihad below).

“Misconceptions about the Crusades are all too common. The Crusades are generally portrayed as a series of holy wars against Islam led by power-mad popes and fought by religious fanatics. They are supposed to have been the epitome of self-righteousness and intolerance, a black stain on the history of the Catholic Church in particular and Western civilization in general. A breed of proto-imperialists, the Crusaders introduced Western aggression to the peaceful Middle East and then deformed the enlightened Muslim culture, leaving it in ruins. For variations on this theme, one need not look far.[1]”

Indeed, this DVD is all the further one need look.

Jihad

For example, nothing is mentioned of “jihad” and consequently it leaves unanswered the question of how the Muslim armies got from Medina in the Arabian peninsula to conquering Jerusalem and the rest of the Holy Land in the first place, much less the whole Middle East and Southern Europe including most of Spain and into what is today France.

“Islam was born with the idea that it should rule the world . . . Judaism speaks about national salvation . . . Christianity speaks about the idea that every single person in the world can be saved from his sins [personal salvation], while islam speaks about ruling the world.”[2] [Emphasis added]

Culture

A lot of time is spent showing how advanced Islamic culture was in the sciences, math, and architecture [especially in Spain] during a time “when the rest of Europe was in the Dark Ages.” This begs the question, so what happened to all this advancement? If Islam was so great, its cultural advances [which I question] should have given them a 500-year head start on the West, so they should be the most advanced society in the world today.

Dhimmitude

Since the idea that Islam should rule the world is left out of this documentary, the fate of those “infidels” or unbelievers who would come under Islamic domination is also absent. Consequently, nothing is mentioned of the system of “dhimmitude”, the way unbelievers are treated under Islamic law. Under Islam, the “dhimmi” is treated worse than blacks were treated under Jim Crow laws in the US.[3] In fact, this work perpetuates the idea that Muslims were “living in peace” with, and never bothered, Christians and Jews living under their rule. We are told repeatedly that wherever Islam existed, Muslims lived in peace with non-Muslims. So, why do Muslims have such a difficult time getting along with their neighboring countries [and themselves] even today when they should be at the pinnacle of enlightenment? Professor Sharon provides some insight: “This [Islamic]civilization created one very important, fundamental rule about territory. Any territory that comes under Islamic rule cannot be de-Islamized. Even if at one time or another, the [non-Moslem] enemy takes over the territory that was under Islamic rule, it is considered to be perpetually Islamic. This is why whenever you hear about the Arab/Israeli conflict, you hear – territory, territory, territory.”[2] That is why this is a war that will not end until Islam rules the whole world, or is itself destroyed.

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I wonder if PBS would dare give a skeptical view of Mohammed? They don’t hesitate to give non-Christian’s views of Christ. Fact is that there are no non-islamic historical sources for the events of Mohammed’s life.
[continued from my last post above]

Organization

Nothing is mentioned of the fact that Islam lacks a central authority to prevent its scripture from being perverted. There is no Magisterium equivalent to keep the Koran’s core principles intact while teaching how current understanding has changed and how the principles apply today. This lack of a central teaching authority has left Islam open to being “hijacked” by radicals [as we are constantly told]: anyone, even a non-cleric like Osama bin Laden, can declare a “holy war,” and no one asks what his authority is. It also prevents Islam from leaving the seventh century and entering the modern world.

Shar’ia

Islamic holy law – shar’ia – is mentioned as a legal system and lifestyle all rolled up into one. " . . . Bernard Lewis says, ‘In an Islamic state, there is in principle no law other than the shar’ia, the Holy Law of Islam.’ Elsewhere, he states, ‘There is, for example, no distinction between canon law and civil law, between the law of the church and the law of the state, crucial in Christian history. There is only a single law, the shar’ia, accepted by Muslims as of divine origin and regulating all aspects of human life: civil, commercial, criminal, constitutional, as well as matters more specifically concerned with religion in the limited, Christian sense of that word.’ Lewis adds: ‘The principal function of the Islamic state and society was to maintain and enforce these rules’ and that ‘the idea that any group of persons, any kind of activities, or any part of human life is in any sense outside the scope of religious law and jurisdiction is alien to muslim thought.’ . . .

What aspects of shar’ia do most world history textbooks [and this DVD] fail to convey? That the islamic state is an agent of religion. Civil society, separation of church and state, limited government, an independent judiciary, and the underlying notions of personal liberty and individual freedom, notably freedom of religion, are alien concepts. So are such items as due process, trial by jury, and chartered protection."[3] [Emphasis added]

Islam and Women

“What is missing from world history textbooks [and this DVD]? That Muslim women today are seen by many men to be not much more than chattel; that, for these men, women are fit to be servants and breeders; and that a wife’s autonomy is interpreted as a sign of female disobedience and disrespect.”[4]

Islam and Slavery

This documentary mentions slavery under Islam only tangentially. During Islam’s “golden age”, it states, some young Christian boys were taken captive (presumably by a conquering army) and educated into Islam. They were raised, not in foster homes with a foster father and mother, but in what amounts to a boarding school, with the idea that they would enter a leadership position in adulthood. A male child raised in such a love-starved environment is a disaster waiting to happen. He becomes mercilessly cruel, which was probably the goal all along. Of course, none of this is explored.

“As in Greece and Rome, slavery was a common institution in the cities of the Muslim world. Slaves were brought from conquered lands in Spain, Greece, Africa, India, and Central Asia. Muslims could not be enslaved. If non-Muslim slaves converted to Islam, they did not automatically gain their freedom, but their children did. A female slave who married her owner also gained freedom. . . . non-Muslim girls from Eastern Europe were brought to serve as slaves in wealthy Muslim households. There, they might be accepted as members of the households. Some of the enslaved girls were freed after the death of their masters”[ibid.]

It is common knowledge that slavery exists and is legal under Islam to this day.

Conclusion

I suspect this DVD was modulated by some Islamic public relations group or other to emphasize the positive and eliminate the negative aspects of Islam. As a cartoon is a visual experience for children, so Islam: Empire of Faith, like so many “documentaries” today, is little more than a visual experience for adults and should be treated as entertainment, not a source of objective knowledge.

So much for PBS as an educational institution.

Notes:

[1] Thomas F. Madden, “The Real History of the Crusades”, April, 2002 catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0055.html
[2] Professor Moshe Sharon, “The Agenda of Islam – A War Between Civilizations”, freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1064285/posts
[3] Andrew G. Bostom, “The Legacy of Jihad in Historical Palestine (Part I)”, November 19th, 2005
americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4999
[4] Gilbert T. Sewall, “Islam And The Textbooks: A Report of the American Textbook Council”, 2003 historytextbooks.org/reports.htm
 
If they don’t like their prophet, then leave Islam.
If they did leave Islam the Koran orders all other muslims to kill them.
Once you submit to Islam you lose all of your religious freedoms upon pain of death.
That is the peace and love of Islam.
 
Speaking the truth about Islam is not Slander. Maybe you should shake off your rigid fear of questioning your own religion. What part of Mo being a paedophile or mass murderer do you have a problem with exactly? It has been proved on here countless times. In fact, if you only wish to stick to your own books then why not go to a muslim board instead of doing (the usual tedious) dawa on this site. You are not going to convert anyone on here in any case. BTW denying Jesus is the Son of God and the only way to salvation is slander.

If Islam is a true religion why has no muslim taken and won Ali Sina’s Challenge - take it faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/.
The question here would be: is it all of Islam, or some faction within it, or just people who pretend they are Muslims but would rather be some sort of extremists using some tenets of Marxism-Leninism or something quite alike?
I’d doubt that we could make Islam as a whole responsible for all the horrors happening in countries with Muslims as a majority. The mention of “Islamists” in the news rather than of “Muslims” may be significant in that respect…
 
I’d doubt that we could make Islam as a whole responsible for all the horrors happening in countries with Muslims as a majority. The mention of “Islamists” in the news rather than of “Muslims” may be significant in that respect…
However, I suspect there has been a concerted effort by politically correct government and the LSM [Leftstream Media] to dissociate Islam from terrorists and terrorism.

Political correctness was invented to conceal / deny truth.
 
Speaking the truth about Islam is not Slander. Maybe you should shake off your rigid fear of questioning your own religion. What part of Mo being a paedophile or mass murderer do you have a problem with exactly? It has been proved on here countless times. In fact, if you only wish to stick to your own books then why not go to a muslim board instead of doing (the usual tedious) dawa on this site. You are not going to convert anyone on here in any case. BTW denying Jesus is the Son of God and the only way to salvation is slander.

If Islam is a true religion why has no muslim taken and won Ali Sina’s Challenge - take it faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/.
** charlotte, my discussion is with sedonaman. You can keep out of it with your abuse. In the meantime, there are books and film about your Jesu. Try to read the book about Da Vinci Code where the secret Marriage of your Jesu is described with Mary magd and a child was also born out of secret wedlock.

You know that 30 years of the life of your Jesu is hidden. I suggest that you use the proper name of our prophet which is Muhammad otherwise think of your Jesu.
Are you aware of those Da Vinci Code allegations. You cannot deny them.

If you like to deny them then i will also deny whatever abusive words you are saying about the best of all mankind i.e. Muhammad. You want your man son of a man to be called jesu. If not then please write the proper name of our prophet in future. We have no respect for your Jesu.**
 
However, I suspect there has been a concerted effort by politically correct government and the LSM [Leftstream Media] to dissociate Islam from terrorists and terrorism.

Political correctness was invented to conceal / deny truth.
It does not mean that all the factions in Islam are in favour of terrorist acts, does it?
Like, if one man or a small group of people decided to murder doctors who perform abortions and act on their decision, are all pro-lifers to be blamed for this? It’s their decision, and the pro-lifers were not present at their deliberations…
 
charlotte, my discussion is with sedonaman. You can keep out of it with your abuse. In the meantime, there are books and film about your Jesu. Try to read the book about Da Vinci Code where the secret Marriage of your Jesu is described with Mary magd and a child was also born out of secret wedlock.

You know that 30 years of the life of your Jesu is hidden. I suggest that you use the proper name of our prophet which is Muhammad otherwise think of your Jesu.
Are you aware of those Da Vinci Code allegations. You cannot deny them.

If you like to deny them then i will also deny whatever abusive words you are saying about the best of all mankind i.e. Muhammad. You want your man son of a man to be called jesu. If not then please write the proper name of our prophet in future. We have no respect for your Jesu.
Any movie about Mohammed needs to show how he favors such ideas as free speech. A good example is how he treated the poet Kab bin al-Ashruf.
 
I’d doubt that we could make Islam as a whole responsible for all the horrors happening in countries with Muslims as a majority. The mention of “Islamists” in the news rather than of “Muslims” may be significant in that respect…
We cannot blame all Muslims for the evils that we seen in the Islamic world. However, we can blame Islam for those evils. The Islamic terrorists are not part of either the far right or far left of Islam, rather they are doing what the Koran says to do! Osama bin Laden is not leading a new Jihad, he’s taking part in the Jihad started by Muhammad (may the judgement of Jesus Christ be upon him). Islamism is not something new, it is the absolute heart of Islam. In carrying out 9/11 Osama bin Laden was just being a good muslim.
 
It does not mean that all the factions in Islam are in favour of terrorist acts, does it?
Like, if one man or a small group of people decided to murder doctors who perform abortions and act on their decision, are all pro-lifers to be blamed for this? It’s their decision, and the pro-lifers were not present at their deliberations…
We’ve been over this ground before in other threads. It would be a valid comparison if the pro-life movement doctrine was one of violent, forced conversion of abortionist doctors. The sheer magnitude of the ratio of murders by Islamic terrorists to those by anti-abortion terrorists [something in the order of tens of thousands to maybe two] is such that it demonstrates the power of the command for Islamic jihad.

Note that I agree that anti-abortion terrorists are murderers; find me one Muslim here who is willing to call Islamic terrorists what they are by any standard of decency.
 
If they did leave Islam the Koran orders all other muslims to kill them.
Once you submit to Islam you lose all of your religious freedoms upon pain of death.
That is the peace and love of Islam.
Yes, I know that. The point I’m trying to make is that instead of coming onto this forum lying (which to a muslim is an ideal not a sin) they should be justifying his barbaric actions.

The muslims are ashamed of their prophet, their allah and so they must hide the truth about the ideology they adhere to.
 
The question here would be: is it all of Islam, or some faction within it, or just people who pretend they are Muslims but would rather be some sort of extremists using some tenets of Marxism-Leninism or something quite alike?
I’d doubt that we could make Islam as a whole responsible for all the horrors happening in countries with Muslims as a majority. The mention of “Islamists” in the news rather than of “Muslims” may be significant in that respect…
Your conclusion is incorrect, Lapell. It is the explicit doctrine of Islam that is responsible for all the horrors happening with Muslims as a majority. We not only can blame Islam, but have a duty to humanity to expose this doctrine behind the shield it has given itself by those said doctrines from criticism or change.

There are too many innocent people, non-muslim and muslim, who are being denied their basic human rights, their basic human dignity, because of allah’s laws for all mankind for eternity without change.

The problem IS Islam.
 
** charlotte, my discussion is with sedonaman. You can keep out of it with your abuse. In the meantime, there are books and film about your Jesu. Try to read the book about Da Vinci Code where the secret Marriage of your Jesu is described with Mary magd and a child was also born out of secret wedlock.

You know that 30 years of the life of your Jesu is hidden. I suggest that you use the proper name of our prophet which is Muhammad otherwise think of your Jesu.
Are you aware of those Da Vinci Code allegations. You cannot deny them.

If you like to deny them then i will also deny whatever abusive words you are saying about the best of all mankind i.e. Muhammad. You want your man son of a man to be called jesu. If not then please write the proper name of our prophet in future. We have no respect for your Jesu.**
When you specify books like the Da VInci Code as a means to derive truth about Jesus, you make a mockery of your intelligence. The Da Vinci Code is a work of FICTION. In fact, if you look for a copy in a bookstore it will be found under Popular Fiction, because Planten that is what it is. So to use this as a reliable source of knowledge on the life of Jesus is absolute poppycock.

Can I deny the allegations of the Da VInci Code about Jesus, the Son of God, YES I CAN. 😃

And if you consider Muhammad to be the best that mankind has to offer, we has the human race are: $%#^&*
 
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