A movie which i suggest to all

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-The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc
-The Rite (2011)
-Most (2003)
-Son of God (film)
 
These all sound good. Thanks!

I didn’t know The Rite was a movie. I just got the book and I’m looking forward to reading it. 🙂
 
I will definitely write these down on my must watch list. 🙂 Thank you so much!
 
Here is a review of “The Messenger”.
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traditioninaction.org/movies/002mr.htm
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I have never heard a good Catholic review of this movie.
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I encourage everybody to read that review as an example of the lies movie makers make.

“The Messenger” was so full of lies I lost count in ten minutes, and Joan hadn’t even left her village yet.
There is no truth in the movie. The script was written by the father of lies.

A prominent Los Vegas movie critic said of this travesty, “I have never used the word vulgar to describe a movie until now.”

The movie makes Joan look like a post traumatic stress syndrome psycho out to get revenge against the English. Nothing could be further from the truth. Joan didn’t even want to go to war. “When St. Michael told me I was to go into France I would have preferred to stay home spinning wool with my mother.” Doesn’t sound like a PTSS psycho to me. 😃

The movie portrays the Voice as her conscience in the image of a black cloaked character portrayed by, are you ready for this?, Dustin Hoffman! :bigyikes: He must have been paid a million dollars for his small part in this mess.
The reality, the Voices were visions of St. Michael and two saints from the early centuries: St Catherine of Alexandria and St Margaret of Antioch. They appeared to Joan hundreds of times, and several times a day when she was in prison, right up to the end.

I could go on but as the above review says:*** “If I were to continue with the historical misrepresentations and falsifications of the facts, this review would grow to unpublishable lengths.”***

I find it incredible that anybody would recommend this trash.

For tons of reliable information about Joan,
see this website:
stjoan-center.com/
 
Simca said:
These all sound good. Thanks!

I didn’t know The Rite was a movie. I just got the book and I’m looking forward to reading it. 🙂
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You are welcome! Its a really good movie,if you want i can give to you the links to watch it free 🙂
 
CatholicAlbo said:
Believe me,that movie is so good! Im Roman Catholic and proud! Inquisition was unfair a lot of times! But thats the truth!
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CathoilicAlbo,

I do understand that the Inquisition was unfair a lot of times, and there is a lot of documentation available from her trial that bears that out.

Please be aware that some directors take so much liberty with their dramatic distortion that what is really true is distorted or left out. I am not saying they didn’t get some things right, but I am convinced by the Catholic critique of the movie that it has many flaws.
 
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Believe me,that movie is so good! Im Roman Catholic and proud! Inquisition was unfair a lot of times! But thats the truth!
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:bigyikes: :banghead:

If all you know about Joan is what you saw in The MESS-enger then you know nothing about Joan.

Since your profile says you’re a Joan of Arc fan,
drop everything now and run to buy this book:
Joan of Arc: By Herself and Her Witnesses
by Régine Pernoud

amazon.com/Joan-Arc-Herself-Her-Witnesses/dp/0812812603/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1389880345&sr=1-2&keywords=joan+of+arc+pernoud

After you’ve read that book you will rant against The MESS-enger just as much as I and other people who respect the truth did.

Pernoud wrote another book, Joan of Arc: Her Story, which is nowhere near as good. Don’t buy that one.

By the way,
the prison Joan was in was a secular English prison, not an Inquisition prison.
The infamous Spanish Inquisition was not started until fifty years after Joan’s death. Spaniards who got in trouble with the law and found themselves in the secular police prisons asked to be transferred to Inquisition prisons *because they were treated better there! * :eek:
It’s hard to get the truth in this world. There’s so many liars with agendas out there.
 
The best Joan of Arc movie was the made for tv movie Joan of Arc:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc_(miniseries

It starred sixteen year old LeeLee Sobieski who had the acting talent of a wooden block.

Despite its faults, at least this movie was faithful to Joan’s real personality.

Bishop Cauchon was played by Peter O’Toole. The movie greatly changed the facts about Cauchon. He was an enemy of King Charles and the two men never met. Neither did Joan ever meet Cauchon before she was captured. **Why can’t movie makers just tell the truth? :mad: The real story is far more amazing than anything these clowns come up with.
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The big budget technicolor monstrosity 1949 movie Joan of Arc starring 34 year old :bigyikes: :crying: Ingrid Bergman, was another disappointment. It was based on a play by George Bernard Shaw who was no friend of Christians and felt free to write any nonsense he wanted. In one scene, pathethically-over-weepy Bergman was crying because the Voices were no longer appearing to her. In reality, the Voices were appearing to Joan daily right up to her death, as I indicated above. **Why can’t movie makers just tell the truth? :mad: The real story is far more amazing than anything these clowns come up with.
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empther said:
The best Joan of Arc movie was the made for tv movie Joan of Arc:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc_(miniseries

It starred sixteen year old LeeLee Sobieski who had the acting talent of a wooden block.

Despite its faults, at least this movie was faithful to Joan’s real personality.

Bishop Cauchon was played by Peter O’Toole. The movie greatly changed the facts about Cauchon. He was an enemy of King Charles and the two men never met. Neither did Joan ever meet Cauchon before she was captured. **Why can’t movie makers just tell the truth? :mad: The real story is far more amazing than anything these clowns come up with.
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The big budget technicolor monstrosity 1949 movie Joan of Arc starring 34 year old :bigyikes: :crying: Ingrid Bergman, was another disappointment. It was based on a play by George Bernard Shaw who was no friend of Christians and felt free to write any nonsense he wanted. In one scene, pathethically-over-weepy Bergman was crying because the Voices were no longer appearing to her. In reality, the Voices were appearing to Joan daily right up to her death, as I indicated above. **Why can’t movie makers just tell the truth? :mad: The real story is far more amazing than anything these clowns come up with.
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The DVD with LeeLee Sobieski is the one I have. An interesting Catholic critique I found on the internet explained the flaws in it, but did praise it for not being extremely “off”. One glaring criticism which was when words were put in Joan’s mouth about “sending someone to hell” as she was in battle. She spoke those words with such vengeance. That was not her way at all.

Recently I ordered from EWTN a documentary “Saint Joan of Arc”, subtitle “Maid for God”, that gave me a much more honest and true picture of who Joan truly was, a virtuous saint obeying God.

I appreciate the comments in your post.
 
I appreciate the comments in your post.
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Ain’t no thing! 😃

I was shocked when somebody, the OP, recommended this monstrous movie. How could anybody do that? Then I noticed in his profile he was a Joan of Arc fan. :bigyikes:
Clearly he was misinformed about Joan which was a shame when he was a fan.
So I raved on. 👍
 
empther said:
I was shocked when somebody, the OP, recommended this monstrous movie. How could anybody do that?
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I think if a person is looking for just something interesting to watch, and isn’t worried about historical accuracy, it might make for an enjoyable watch on its own, though. 😛 I actually can’t remember, though, if I watched this particular movie, but I do remember watching the one with LeeLee Sobieski and enjoyed that one a lot (despite not knowing much about her real-life story)!

 
suko said:
I think if a person is looking for just something interesting to watch, and isn’t worried about historical accuracy, it might make for an enjoyable watch on its own, though. 😛 I actually can’t remember, though, if I watched this particular movie, but I do remember watching the one with LeeLee Sobieski and enjoyed that one a lot (despite not knowing much about her real-life story)!

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I mentioned in an earlier post about that DVD. Although it has inaccuracies, it is said to be the best film on the subject of Joan of Arc available, and for me, it sparked a greater interest in knowing more about her and her times, and so then I ordered a documentary from EWTN.
 
Dorothy,
I mentioned in an earlier post about that DVD. Although it has inaccuracies, it is said to be the best film on the subject of Joan of Arc available, and for me, it sparked a greater interest in knowing more about her and her times, and so then I ordered a documentary from EWTN.
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If your really want to get into Joan’s head, there’s no substitute for reading the original trial transcripts. There are five of them and they still exist in the French National Archives. One copy was secretly written by one of the many judges who disapproved of the way the trial was conducted and made his own copy to point out how the testimony was doctored. From all this, scholars have put together complete transcripts with corrections.

Many excerpts from the transcript can be found on the Joan of Arc Center website, and they make reading like you’ll never find anywhere else.

For example……………

The Trial of Condemnation
stjoan-center.com/Trials/index.html

The Fourth Public Examination ( the early trial sessions were public, but Joan conducted herself so well the judges feared she would win the public’s favor. Later sessions were done in her prison cell, “private” sessions )
stjoan-center.com/Trials/sec04.html

“Have you heard your Voices since Saturday?”
“Yes, truly, many times.”
“Did you hear them on Saturday in this hall, where you were being examined?”
“That is not in your Case. Very well, then - yes! I did hear them.”
“What did your Voice say to you last Saturday?”
“I did not quite understand it; and up to the moment when I returned to my room, I heard nothing that I may repeat to you.”
“What did it say to you in your room, on your return?”
“It said to me, ‘Answer them boldly.’ I take counsel with my Voice about what you ask me. I will tell willingly whatever I shall have permission from God to reveal: as to the revelations concerning the King of France, I will not tell them without the permission of my Voice.”
“Has your Voice forbidden you to tell everything?”
“I did not quite understand it.”
“What did your Voice last say to you?”
“I asked counsel about certain things that you had asked me.”
“Did it give you counsel?”
“On some points, yes; on others you may ask me for an answer that I shall not give, not having had leave. For, if I answered without leave, I should no longer have my Voices as warrant. When I have permission from Our Savior, I shall not fear to speak, because I shall have warrant.”
“This Voice that speaks to you, is it that of an Angel, or of a Saint, or from God direct?”
“It is the Voice of Saint Catherine and of Saint Margaret.(1)…(This is the first identification of the “revelations” with any name; Jeanne had always spoken of her “Voices” or her “Counsel.”)
Their faces are adorned with beautiful crowns, very rich and precious. To tell you this I have leave from Our Lord. If you doubt this, send to Poitiers, where I was examined before.”
“How do you know if these were the two Saints?”
“How do you distinguish one from the other?”
“I know quite well it is they; and I can easily distinguish one from the other.”
" How do you distinguish them?"
" By the greeting they give me. It is seven years now since they have undertaken to guide me. I know them well because they were named to me."
“Are these two Saints dressed in the same stuff?”
“I will tell you no more just now; I have not permission to reveal it. If you do not believe me, go to Poitiers. There are some revelations which come to the King of France, and not to you, who are questioning me.”
“Are they of the same age?”
“I have not leave to say.”
“Do they speak at the same time, or one after the other?”
“I have not leave to say; nevertheless, I have always had counsel from them both.”
" Which of them appeared to you first?"
"I did not distinguish them at first. I knew well enough once, but I have forgotten. If I had leave, I would tell you willingly : it is written in the Register at Poitiers. (2)…(This Examination at Poitiers of the Archbishop of Reims during the months of March and April, 1429, and extended over three weeks. At the conclusion, the assembly sent, as the result of their inquiries, a resolution to the King to the effect that he should follow the Maid’s guidance)
“I have also received comfort from Saint Michael.”
“Which of these two appearances came to you first?”
“Saint Michael.”
“Is it a long time since you first heard the voice of Saint Michael?”
“I did not say anything to you about the voice of Saint Michael; I say I have had great comfort from him.”
“What was the first Voice that came to you when you were about thirteen?”
“It was Saint Michael: I saw him before my eyes; he was not alone, but quite surrounded by the Angels of Heaven. I came into France only by the order of God.”
“Did you see Saint Michael and these Angels bodily and in reality?”
“I saw them with my bodily eyes as well as I see you; when they went from me, I wept. I should have liked to be taken away with them.”
“And what was Saint Michael like?”
“You will have no more answer from me; and I am not yet free to tell you.”
“What did Saint Michael say to you this first time?”
“You will have no more answer about it from me today. My Voices said to me, ‘Reply boldly.’ Once I told the King all that had been revealed to me, because it concerned him ; but I am no longer free to reveal to you all that Saint Michael said to me.”

COMMENT: 😃 Why did the Ingrid Bergman 1949 movie have Joan crying that the Voices had abandoned her when the trial transcript was readily available? 🤷
“There is no end to stupidity.” Adolf Hitler, 1925 👍
 
empther said:
Dorothy,

If your really want to get into Joan’s head, there’s no substitute for reading the original trial transcripts. There are five of them and they still exist in the French National Archives. One copy was secretly written by one of the many judges who disapproved of the way the trial was conducted and made his own copy to point out how the testimony was doctored. From all this, scholars have put together complete transcripts with corrections.

Many excerpts from the transcript can be found on the Joan of Arc Center website, and they make reading like you’ll never find anywhere else.

For example……………

The Trial of Condemnation
stjoan-center.com/Trials/index.html

The Fourth Public Examination ( the early trial sessions were public, but Joan conducted herself so well the judges feared she would win the public’s favor. Later sessions were done in her prison cell, “private” sessions )
stjoan-center.com/Trials/sec04.html

“Have you heard your Voices since Saturday?”
“Yes, truly, many times.”
“Did you hear them on Saturday in this hall, where you were being examined?”
“That is not in your Case. Very well, then - yes! I did hear them.”
“What did your Voice say to you last Saturday?”
“I did not quite understand it; and up to the moment when I returned to my room, I heard nothing that I may repeat to you.”
“What did it say to you in your room, on your return?”
“It said to me, ‘Answer them boldly.’ I take counsel with my Voice about what you ask me. I will tell willingly whatever I shall have permission from God to reveal: as to the revelations concerning the King of France, I will not tell them without the permission of my Voice.”
“Has your Voice forbidden you to tell everything?”
“I did not quite understand it.”
“What did your Voice last say to you?”
“I asked counsel about certain things that you had asked me.”
“Did it give you counsel?”
“On some points, yes; on others you may ask me for an answer that I shall not give, not having had leave. For, if I answered without leave, I should no longer have my Voices as warrant. When I have permission from Our Savior, I shall not fear to speak, because I shall have warrant.”
“This Voice that speaks to you, is it that of an Angel, or of a Saint, or from God direct?”
“It is the Voice of Saint Catherine and of Saint Margaret.(1)…(This is the first identification of the “revelations” with any name; Jeanne had always spoken of her “Voices” or her “Counsel.”)
Their faces are adorned with beautiful crowns, very rich and precious. To tell you this I have leave from Our Lord. If you doubt this, send to Poitiers, where I was examined before.”
“How do you know if these were the two Saints?”
“How do you distinguish one from the other?”
“I know quite well it is they; and I can easily distinguish one from the other.”
" How do you distinguish them?"
" By the greeting they give me. It is seven years now since they have undertaken to guide me. I know them well because they were named to me."
“Are these two Saints dressed in the same stuff?”
“I will tell you no more just now; I have not permission to reveal it. If you do not believe me, go to Poitiers. There are some revelations which come to the King of France, and not to you, who are questioning me.”
“Are they of the same age?”
“I have not leave to say.”
“Do they speak at the same time, or one after the other?”
“I have not leave to say; nevertheless, I have always had counsel from them both.”
" Which of them appeared to you first?"
"I did not distinguish them at first. I knew well enough once, but I have forgotten. If I had leave, I would tell you willingly : it is written in the Register at Poitiers. (2)…(This Examination at Poitiers of the Archbishop of Reims during the months of March and April, 1429, and extended over three weeks. At the conclusion, the assembly sent, as the result of their inquiries, a resolution to the King to the effect that he should follow the Maid’s guidance)
“I have also received comfort from Saint Michael.”
“Which of these two appearances came to you first?”
“Saint Michael.”
“Is it a long time since you first heard the voice of Saint Michael?”
“I did not say anything to you about the voice of Saint Michael; I say I have had great comfort from him.”
“What was the first Voice that came to you when you were about thirteen?”
“It was Saint Michael: I saw him before my eyes; he was not alone, but quite surrounded by the Angels of Heaven. I came into France only by the order of God.”
“Did you see Saint Michael and these Angels bodily and in reality?”
“I saw them with my bodily eyes as well as I see you; when they went from me, I wept. I should have liked to be taken away with them.”
“And what was Saint Michael like?”
“You will have no more answer from me; and I am not yet free to tell you.”
“What did Saint Michael say to you this first time?”
“You will have no more answer about it from me today. My Voices said to me, ‘Reply boldly.’ Once I told the King all that had been revealed to me, because it concerned him ; but I am no longer free to reveal to you all that Saint Michael said to me.”

COMMENT: 😃 Why did the Ingrid Bergman 1949 movie have Joan crying that the Voices had abandoned her when the trial transcript was readily available? 🤷
“There is no end to stupidity.” Adolf Hitler, 1925 👍
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Awesome…the part of the trial in your post certainly reveals much about the virtues of St. Joan! I will definitely bookmark and read more from the site you gave.

Sadly directors of movies do not understand the depth of the persons in the movies they direct. They assume they must add certain “drama” to make it palatable to their audience.

Peace,

Dorothy
 
Sadly directors of movies do not understand the depth of the persons in the movies they direct. They assume they must add certain “drama” to make it palatable to their audience.
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A sin I’m not guilty of myself.

My Theresa might have played the drama queen. I could have given her a nervous breakdown, or marital problems, or other soap opera trash like that. There’s not an iota of that common stuff in the whole book. Theresa has plenty of eye-popping situations to deal with already.
 
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