A Muslim revision of history?

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I noticed on this board that there is a theme that our Muslim brothers’ and sisters’ wish us to believe. It’s is the belief that the spread of Islam was done in much the same manner as there American equivalent, the Mormons do today, by going 2 by 2, door to door, knocking and being invited in to gain new converts. However, we Westerners, being rogues, actually had the audacity to attack peaceful Muslims in far off Jerusalem.
Ah, but it helps to know a bit of history to put truth in perspective. Let’s just take a small slice of the West’s experience with Muhammad’s followers in just the area around Rome between the years 813 to 882. Naturally, there is no need to include Spain, France, the rest of Italy, the Balkans, Sardinia, and the other islands, or even as far off as Northern Italy or the Alps to get an idea of the bigger picture of kindly Muslim activity in the years from 632AD until the time of the First Crusade in 1095 AD.
In 813 AD, the port of Rome, Civitavecchia was sacked by you guessed it “Muslims”. In 846, another Muslim horde decided that raiding Rome was easy and this time, the Basilicas of Sts Peter and Paul, and the Lateran were desecrated and plundered. St. Peter’s doors were stripped on their silver and the altar above ST. Peter’s tomb smashed. Well, what’s the use of a conquest if you can’t plunder and pillage! The Saracen (Muslim troops) began to feel at home and when the Saracen fleet attempted another pirate raid on Rome, they met with defeat and the Muslim survivors were forced to build the Leonine Wall around the Vatican, which can still be seen by tourist today. Again in 882 Pope John VIII defeated a Muslim advance on Rome at Fundi where he captured 18 ships and liberated over 600 Christian captive. Well, I don’t think that I need to go into any other area of European history for I think that this one small slice suffices to remind us of Muslim forgetfulness.
I will just add two souvenirs from my time in the Philippines that relate to the peaceful intentions of the Muslims there. These two are: the term Amok which describes the wanton killing of Christians by vengeful Muslims, and the Colt 45 which was invented for the U.S. army to stop these fanatical Muslims where nothing else could.
Well, forgive me for this bit of information, but I felt it relevant to the truth of history. Please dear brothers and sisters know your history or God forbid don’t use deception for that is not from God.
Remember that a number of us are knowledgeable about history and find the glossing over of history either insulting or amusing.
 
Thank you for the history lessons. It is somewhat enlightening to realize how much of European and American history and military action has been in response to Islamic agression. Unfortunately, history seems to be repeating itself.
 
Thanks Daniel, I didn’t know the full history of the Barbary experience. I’m a student of history and keep finding many more holes to fill in my knowledge.
 
Can you explain to me what connection the Muslims have to the Colt .45?
 
AaronsStaff said:
Can you explain to me what connection the Muslims have to the Colt .45?
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After the Spanish American war the USA gained control of the Philippines . Rebels in the Philippines would attack US Army patrols and the standard handgun of the army at the time the .38 revolver did not pack a big enough punch to bring the rebels down in one shot. So the US Army decided it needed a gun with more punch so it developed the colt .45
 
Mjae said:
Thank you for the history lessons. It is somewhat enlightening to realize how much of European and American history and military action has been in response to Islamic aggression. Unfortunately, history seems to be repeating itself.
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Really? Look at the list of European wars, a small minority are Islamic based:
  1. Visigoth Raids
  2. Saxon Raids
  3. Vandal Raids
  4. Hun Raids
  5. Theodoric’s War with Odoacer
  6. Frankish-Alemmanic War
  7. Burgundian-Frankish War
  8. Visigothic-Frankish War
  9. Gothic War
  10. Aelthelfrit’s War
  11. Byzantine-Avarian War
  12. Oswald’s War
  13. Anglican-Picktish War
  14. Siege of Constantinople
  15. First Frankish-Moorish War
  16. First Iconoclastic War
  17. Battle of Tours
  18. Aelthelbald’s Wars
  19. Second Frankish-Moorish War
  20. Bulgarian-Byzantine War
  21. Offa’s Wars
  22. Carolingian Wars
  23. Frankish-Avarian War
  24. Second Iconoclastic War
  25. Viking Raids
  26. Magyar Raids
  27. Franco-German War
  28. Spanish Christian-Muslim War
  29. Ardoin’s War
  30. Conquests of Vladimir
  31. Norman Conquest
  32. William’s Invasion of Normandy
  33. Norman-Byzantine War
  34. Holy Roman Empire’s War with the Papacy
  35. Almorovid’s Conquest of Spain
  36. Second Norman-Byzantine War
  37. Aragonese-Castilian War
  38. Anglo-French Wars
  39. First Portugese-Castilian War
  40. Hungarian-Venetian War
  41. Wars of the Lombard League
  42. Aragonese-French War
  43. Anglo-Scottish War
  44. Danish-Estonian War
  45. Teutonic Knights’ Conquest of Prussia
  46. Norwegian Invasion of Scotland
  47. Bohemian-Hungarian War
  48. Hapsburg-Bohemian War
  49. War of the Sicilian Vespers
  50. Teutonic Knights’ War Against Poland
  51. Florentine Wars Against Pisa
  52. Burgundian-Swiss War
  53. Hundred Years War
  54. First and Second Danish Wars Against the Hanseatic League
  55. Second Portugese-Castilian War
  56. Conquests of Tamerlane
  57. War of the Eight Saints
  58. Austro-Swiss War
  59. Albanian-Swiss War
  60. Austro-Turkish Wars
  61. Livonian War
  62. Eighty Years War
  63. Defeat of the Spanish Armada
  64. Hapsburg Brothers’ War
  65. Thirty Years War
  66. Franco-Spanish War
  67. Anglo-Spanish War
  68. Spanish-Portugese War
  69. Wars of the First and Second Coalitions
  70. Wars of the Vendee
  71. Napoleonic Wars
  72. Penisular Wars
  73. First and Second Turko-Montenegrin Wars
  74. Danish-Prussian Wars
  75. Franco-Prussian War
  76. Serbo-Turkish War
  77. Serbo-Bulgarian War
  78. Greco-Turkish War
  79. Second Balkan War
  80. First World War
  81. Second World War
  82. Yugoslavian Wars
And American Wars, I am sure you know that these were not Islamic based:

American Revolution
Northwest Indian War
War of 1812
First/Second/Third Seminole War
Mexican-American War
Civil War
Spanish-American War
various Indian wars
Boxer Rebellion
World War I
World War II
Korean War
Vietnam

While others like Desert Storm etc. since the 90s could be argued to be Islamic based, how many of either of these lists were?
 
I don’t know, not being a historian but I’m open to being enlightened further.
 
Hi Awalt, thanks for your imput, we can all learn by putting events in their proper context. My own point for raising the original post is that certain individuals on the board left the impression that Islam was a really very peaceful ideology. Naturally, my reply only pointed to a very small slice of the vast interaction with a faith that nearly wiped Christianity off the map. Remember that at its height the Muslim advance had taken nearly two-thirds of the Christian world including Europe. In fact, historians have debated for years over the significance of Charles Martel’s seminal battle of Tours as stopping the Moors advance into the very heart of Europe from the West. Naturally, from the eastern side you have the Muslim Turks who laid siege to Vienna, that was broken on Sept. 11, 1683 by the Hungarians. (Sound familiar - some fanatics know its strategic importance and never forgot a great humiliation).
Finally you have our own run in with the Moors along the Barbary Coast. For 15 years, we were forced to pay tribute to the Dey of Algiers of one million dollars a year, which was equal to 20% of our annual revenues in 1800. When our goverment, represented by Jefferson asked the Moorish Ambassador Abdul Rahman Adja why we were forced to pay the extorsion, his reply was that the right was founded on the laws of the Prophet, and that it was written in the Koran that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them where ever they could be found and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners. Finally, when Jefferson became president that changed when he put the fear of God and not Allah into them for we went to war against the Barbary Coast states (several of them part of the Turkish Ottoman Empire), The rest is part of our history. So these seemingly, modest episodes listed above add up at times to being pivitol to history.
 
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You have the Muslim Turks who laid siege to Vienna, that was broken on Sept. 11, 1683 by the Hungarians.
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I beg your pardon, sir.

The Polish King, Jan III Sobieski, and his Polish Hussars were the primary force that destroyed the invading Turks at the Battle of Vienna. Sobieski’s words were, in Latin “I came. I saw. God conquered.”

The spoils of this victory can be seen in museums in Warsaw to this day. There is a subway station in Vienna named for Jan Sobieski.
 
Thanks both JW and Awalt. JW, I stand corrected by your imput, and did enjoy your quote from the Polish King Sobieski. This only helps me to strive harder to fill in those chasms of mine in history. That will teach me to double check all entries well before I post.
Awalt, I appreciate the long list of European wars that you went to the trouble to produce for this page. Its caused me to stand back for a bit and wait until an intuition came to me which was: If we were to create a pile of stones (European wars), that would equal the height and width of the Muslim sacred Kaaba (representing the Muslim wars in the west), our effort still would not produce an affect equal to the Kaaba. Remember those Muslim invasions went on for over a thousand years far surpassing any single European adventure.
 
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