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Going back to the OP I have to ask if you took any Catholic coming from Mass and ask this would they be able to answer it? I have some background with the vocabulary used but my thought all the way thru may be too “theological” for the average Christian be the Catholic or Protesrant. I apologize if this has already been addressed…my brain doesn’t function like it used to and the more I read the more it gets mushy thinking.

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Going back to the OP I have to ask if you took any Catholic coming from Mass and ask this would they be able to answer it?
Some, yes. Many, no. They believe it because that is what the Church has taught. Not sure what this has to do with the topic, however. It is true regardless of how many understand and the point is that the actual doctrine of the Trinity is not laid out specifically in Scripture. All Christians who believe that the Son is of the same substance as the Father were taught this before they “found it” in Scripture. This teaching comes from Sacred Tradition and is supported by Sacred Scripture.
 
I hope you will take the time to study this issue, daddyd, and you will better understand why the successors of the Apostles considered your position heretical.

Jesus did not give up His divine nature when He became human. He took on Human nature, but still retained His divinity. Thus, he has two natures in one person.
guanophore, maybe you should go back and read my post again, because it is evident that you didn’t understand it the first time. I said nothing about Jesus’ divinity. I merely stated what is evident from the passage that I posted. Here it is again.
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Luke 24
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
The Father and the Spirit are spirit Jesus is a man as it shows in this passage. He is no longer of the same substance as the Father and the Spirit. He gave that up in order to become human and save us from our sins and to my knowledge the doctrine that they are the same “substance” has never been a criteria for determining if a person is a Christian or not. Whether or not you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior is.
Jesus goes to much trouble here to show His disciples that He is now human and will be human down through the ages of eternity. That is not to say that He is not totally divine. This is the mystery talked about by Paul.

Romans 16:25
Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

1 Corinthians 2:7
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
3 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Colossians1
25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Jesus is 100% human and 100% God. This is a mystery that we will probably never understand.
Luke 24:36-43 shows us that Jesus is now human and it is the reason for
John16:
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

And John14
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

It is expedient for Jesus to go away because He could no longer be with all of them in His human body because now they were going to the far reaches of the world. The only way He could be with them all at the same time was through the Holy Spirit.
 
It is expedient for Jesus to go away because He could no longer be with all of them in His human body because now they were going to the far reaches of the world. The only way He could be with them all at the same time was through the Holy Spirit.
The name Emmanuel is “God with us”

The Son of God always existed and yet was made flesh in time.

“The Word became flesh” and yet the Son was begotten, not made of the Father. Their will was always One.

We received the Spirit through Jesus coming in the flesh. Even in the days before Jesus, men were only able to receive the Spirit of God through the Grace that was from Jesus.

Therefore, the Church recognizes the profound depth of the Eucharist, which is the Hidden Manna for those who believe in the Son of Man. If we receive the Holy Spirit we cannot reject His Holy Eucharist without disobeying His command.

Now, as believers, we do not regard Jesus as limited in the flesh, but that God was made perfect even in the Flesh. This was through obedience as a Son to the Father.

On the cross, Jesus commended His Spirit to God, who had forsaken His body for three days, on account of our sins. Then after three days, God restored life to Him and raised Him, so that even death could not seperate God’s substance with the Son of Man.
 
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 guanophore, maybe you should go back and read my post again, because it is evident that you didn't understand it the first time. I said nothing about Jesus' divinity. I merely stated what is evident from the passage that I posted. Here it is again.
Yes, I am sure that your interpretation is “evident” to you . But it contradicts what the Apostles believed and taught. This is one of the problems of trying to interpret scripture apart from the Apostolic faith. It is easy to end up somewhere else. I think when you study some of the early heresies such as Gnosticism and Arianism you will have a better grasp of why your conclusions are not consistent with the Apostolic faith.
Luke 24:36-43 shows us that Jesus is now human
Do you think He has laid aside His divinity for the time being?
 
Yes, I am sure that your interpretation is “evident” to you . But it contradicts what the Apostles believed and taught. This is one of the problems of trying to interpret scripture apart from the Apostolic faith. It is easy to end up somewhere else. I think when you study some of the early heresies such as Gnosticism and Arianism you will have a better grasp of why your conclusions are not consistent with the Apostolic faith.
Ok, my conclusion is that Jesus after His resurrection has a human body Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Do you say that He didn’t?
Do you think He has laid aside His divinity for the time being?
I posted this in the post that you answered maybe you missed it.

Jesus is 100% human and 100% God. This is a mystery that we will probably never understand.
 
Ok, my conclusion is that Jesus after His resurrection has a human body Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Do you say that He didn’t?

Glorified human body. He could walk through locked doors as well as eat a piece of fish.
daddyd;12420698:
Jesus is 100% human and 100% God. This is a mystery that we will probably never understand.
Yep.
 
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