A New Approach to Pro-Life

[cheeto1]

Knock, knock, knock.

“Joe, we have good news for you. The healthcare plan is just minutes away from
passing. Your vote is all that is needed now. Please sign here but be aware that
your youngest girl must die in order for this bill to pass.”

Joe: “No!!! Please!!! Choose another child! Someone who’s mother doesn’t love
her anyway! We now love our child!!!”

It’s nice that Jesus has touched your heart and changed your mind about one child.
It’s nice that you have shared the thing that changed your mind (diapers, car seat,
stroller).
It’s not nice that you want other children to die.
Despite your gracious words about the love of Jesus, your heart is cold.
Divine Mercy chaplets can’t protect you now. You must make the love of Jesus
available to all children, not just yours. You can not say you love Jesus, while
you support killing the brand-new children He has just created. There is no
greater sin.

Now you may say that I have not the love of Jesus until I donate diapers, a car seat
and a stroller to a pregnancy center. O.K. then, I will agree. Thanks to you, I can
now do something about my problem. What will you do about yours?

This is the feast day of the Holy Innocents. I suggest we make it a day to flood
pregnancy centers with donations in their honor. Joe, today you have done me a
favor. Thank you for sharing all your opinions.

 

[that_name]

I don’t see any point in arguing anymore; no one has changed anyone’s mind. But in summary, I’d like to see the following: 1. A massive, well-funded and well-advertised expansion of pro-life clinics, preferably right next to Planned Parenthood Clinics;

Like I said before, are YOU volunteering and supporting your local CPC?

pregnancycenters.org/

birthright.org/

care-net.org/

 

[StrawberryJam]

StrawberryJam: When my family was struggling and I was unemployed with three children, my pastor referred me to the St. Vincent de Paul Society. The man who managed it offered little or no help at all. He frankly did not want to part with any money. For this reason, I have never since and never will give money to that organization. Joe

Sorry to hear that Joe. I can understand your boycott of them. This changes the direction I was headed in. You don’t need to be involved in a debate with me on this after going through what you did. I am dissapointed in hearing this. I’ve just recently started looking into the catholic faith and made a lot of assumptions about how they handle situations.

Thank you for enlightening me on the double talk going on behind closed doors.

 

[jrgiancola]

I guess I have to repeat that I am not in favor of abortion for any reason. I merely state that if the government bans it, abortion will not end. This is not the solution. In the meantime, millions need health care now. In his encyclical “Rich in Mercy,” Saint Pope John Paul II called upon the church to evangelize; this is definitely our calling. We sit in our little churches, isolated to ourselves, and do very little to reach out to the local communities. Meanwhile, the Conference of Catholic Bishops lowers itself to get involved with politics and the federal government, and that’s suppose to be our solution? It seems to me that many of you have very little faith in Christ and what the Holy Spirit can do to change the hearts of mankind. You remind me of Barabbas who refused to follow Jesus because Jesus did not come to raise an army to defeat the Romans. Abortion will end when we reach out on a massive scale with the love of God to those who do not understand the sanctity of all human life and to those who are in need of assistance, including financial, in their daily struggles. I sincerely applaud those of you who do just that, as many of you have described. But I don’t see picketing an abortion clinic to be the same thing as the opening of pro-life clinics, well advertised, and prepared to offer the love of God in every way to those struggling with the abortion decision. There are many, Catholics and non-Catholics, who struggle with the decision, and simply do not know where to go for help. Of course, this involves an investment of money, which, sadly, few churches are willing to shell out. Joe

 

[Timbothefiveth]

I’d like to see the following: 1. A massive, well-funded and well-advertised expansion of pro-life clinics, preferably right next to Planned Parenthood Clinics; 2. The Catholic Church increase its evangelization with the message that “God is Love;”

This does not contradict using politics in any way.

1. All churches stay out of politics; Christ does not need warrior Christians; rather He needs Christians who imitate HIMSELF;

Christians who imitate Him can still be involved in politics.

1. Passage of the health care reform bill because it IS desperately needed NOW.

But I thought we were supposed to stay out of politics?

And laws against murder and stealing do not prevent it from occurring in mass numbers, particularly in this country.

Should we end those then? If the healthcare bill payed for people to kill you or steal from you would you support it?

We need to each do our part to change the hearts and minds of Americans,

If we outlaw abortion it will porbably change the hearts and minds over some generations. It worked with slavery.

Jesus was not a politician; He was Perfect Love and He called us to be the same.

Were Jews even allowed to participate in politics in ancient Rome?

Love conquers evil; the government is inherently evil so how can evil conquer evil?

The government is not inherently evil. If it is inherently evil why do you want it getting involved with healthcare.

Whenever a religion gets in bed with the secular government, that religion is inevitably corrupted by the government.

The religion is just being used to try and get the government to do something morally good. If we aren’t making shady, immoral deals I don’t see how this would corrupt us.

I trust God to end abortion in His way, Jesus’ way.

I think He wants us to try and get involved. If He didn’t want us to get involved here, why would He want us to get involved in healthcare? We can give healthcare without the government far more effectively than we can end abortion without the government.
His way certainly doesn’t involve us paying to kill people. Could you really aproach Him and say “I trust you’ll be fine with me supporting legislation which pays to kill innocent people, after all, I’m sure this is your way to end it”?

 

[YADA]

Banning abortion simply will not stop it Did Prohibition put an end to alcohol? It’s an easy way out, a bandaid rather than a cure. When all Christians, Catholics included, love each other the way Jesus did, there will be no more killing of any kind. Jesus is the answer; not politics.

JR … I have read your posts and I am deeply sorry for you. You want the “Church” to do more for people in the areas of being Pro-Life … let me ask you a few questions … Who is the Church? … We are … YOU ARE THE CHURCH! … if your local parish is not doing what it should in the area of providing assistance to women who are expecting YOU are the REASON WHY! …

You say you have never heard of any effort by cathoics or the Catholic Church to assist women … Crisis Pregnancy Ceters, Clinisc, Homes, baby needs … well sorry, your ignorance of factual data, your ignorance of the efforst of four decades of hard work, time, talent, treasure [millions $$'s in contrinbutions in nearly every state] is not our problem … that too is your problem. Do you know that Crisis Pregnancy Centers have to pay more $$'s to get their centers listed in phone books under the heading “Abortion” ?.. They do that so that when women are looking for abortion providers they might call them instead …

I don’t know what state you are in … but here in Oregon a parish priest decided to fight abortion … early in the ‘fight’ he realized that he needed to offer an alternative … he opened a home for unwed mothers … he had to fight the state department of human services, raise thousands of dollars … the obstacles were enormous … but open a home he did … now some 40 + years later there are not one but three homes … Monsiegnor Fr Taaffe passed away but the home live on …read about it here: stbrigidhome.org/

and these homes LIKE EVERY CATHOIC CHARITY IS OPEN TO EVERYONE… NOT JUST CATHOLICS …

Nationwide there is Rachels’ Vineyard … an organization that is dedicated to healing those who have suffered from abortion … mothers, fathers and others … again open to all … read here: rachelsvineyard.org/

What became the National Right to Life in 1974 had its origins in the Church and was supported by the USCCB in the years of 1968-71 time frame … National Right to Life has a political arm - lobbying for or against legislation that destroys life … but they also assist in many areas … nationally and at the state level … the Oregon Right to Life [like the NRL and all state RTL groups] is funding Ultrasounds Machines for Crisis pregnancy Centers … you can read about that here: findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_6899/is_1_27/ai_n28818070/

NRTL’s HELP Page nrlc.org/abortion/help.html

Educating Teens standupgirl.com/

Catholic Adoption Services provided int he last year can be found here [along with other statistics about your chuch … read the whole page: http://www.usccb.org/comm/statisti5.shtml but the adoption part is
**Provided Services that Strengthen Families to 1,093,339 people of which **there were these … Pregnancy services 65,718 and Adoption services 41,909 [and they did not have to be Catholic to receive these services!!!

Every state in the Nation has a Crisis Pregnacy Center … Oregon’s here http://www.portlandprc.org/ and many like this local one … [which was bombed last year!] pregnancyalternatives.org/Home.html …

Recently my parish filled a Baby Crib [it travels from parish to parish] with all kinds of baby needs [car seats, blankets, clothes, diapers, bottles, formula, toys, etc] numerous times over the month that it ‘resided’ … every week it waas over flowing … also we recently recieved a request to assist a family expecting triplets who was counciled to abort the babies … they received triplet stroller, 3 car seats and cribs plus baby clothes and other needs … the family has sinced delivered three healthy babies each weighing about three pounds …

SO I ASK … WHAT HAVE YOU [PERSONALLY] DONE? Where have you placed your Time and Treasure in assisting mothers in need ?.. Stop telling the Church what it needs to do and JOIN Mother Church - and your fellow catholics in helping to end the greatest evil of our day - on all fronts …

 

[Timbothefiveth]

I

merely state that if the government bans it, abortion will not end. This is not the solution. In the meantime, millions need health care now. In his encyclical “Rich in Mercy,” Saint Pope John Paul II called upon the church to evangelize; this is definitely our calling.

Yes, we should evangelise. As for needing healthcare now, we don’t if it funds abortion. Pope John Paul II said

Above all, the common outcry, which is justly made on behalf
of human rights—for example, the right to health, to home,
to work, to family, to culture—is false and illusory if the right
to life, the most basic and fundamental right and the condition
for all other personal rights, is not defended with maximum
determination.

We sit in our little churches, isolated to ourselves, and do very little to reach out to the local communities. Meanwhile, the Conference of Catholic Bishops lowers itself to get involved with politics and the federal government, and that’s suppose to be our solution?

Two different problems. The USCCB is getting involved because this is a life-or-death issue and America voted in pro-abortion candidates.

It seems to me that many of you have very little faith in Christ and what the Holy Spirit can do to change the hearts of mankind.

If they couldn’t change hearts engaging in politics would be pointless. The simple fact is there are those who kill people, right now. If they don’t change their minds, we need to have a ban in place. If they do change their minds, having the ban won’t hurt.

You remind me of Barabbas who refused to follow Jesus because Jesus did not come to raise an army to defeat the Romans.

I didn’t refuse to follow Him because He wasn’t a politician. I just happen to believe we can do His will in part through politics.

Abortion will end when we reach out on a massive scale with the love of God to those who do not understand the sanctity of all human life and to those who are in need of assistance, including financial, in their daily struggles. I

No it won’t. Some people will still choose to kill unborn babies. That’s why we need to reach out and have a ban,

Of course, this involves an investment of money, which, sadly, few churches are willing to shell out.

Perhaps they need more donations. Maintaining a church probably isn’t cheap.

 

[Priscilla_Ann]

I guess I have to repeat that I am not in favor of abortion for any reason. I merely state that if the government bans it, abortion will not end. This is not the solution. In the meantime, millions need health care now. In his encyclical “Rich in Mercy,” Saint Pope John Paul II called upon the church to evangelize; this is definitely our calling. We sit in our little churches, isolated to ourselves, and do very little to reach out to the local communities. Meanwhile, the Conference of Catholic Bishops lowers itself to get involved with politics and the federal government, and that’s suppose to be our solution? It seems to me that many of you have very little faith in Christ and what the Holy Spirit can do to change the hearts of mankind. You remind me of Barabbas who refused to follow Jesus because Jesus did not come to raise an army to defeat the Romans. Abortion will end when we reach out on a massive scale with the love of God to those who do not understand the sanctity of all human life and to those who are in need of assistance, including financial, in their daily struggles. I sincerely applaud those of you who do just that, as many of you have described. But I don’t see picketing an abortion clinic to be the same thing as the opening of pro-life clinics, well advertised, and prepared to offer the love of God in every way to those struggling with the abortion decision. There are many, Catholics and non-Catholics, who struggle with the decision, and simply do not know where to go for help. Of course, this involves an investment of money, which, sadly, few churches are willing to shell out. Joe

Joe:

Thank you for your posts on the abortion issue. Yours are among the wisest, most practical and compassionate I have read on these forums. To end abortion, affordable, practical solutions must be readily available for those who find themselves struggling with this very difficult decision. No one is “pro-abortion”, but many find themselves in a position where they feel they have no choice. You have suggested things we can do to give these people choices other than abortion.

Thank you so much for sharing with us.

God Bless You!

 

[YADA]

Joe:

Thank you for your posts on the abortion issue. Yours are among the wisest, most practical and compassionate I have read on these forums. To end abortion, affordable, practical solutions must be readily available for those who find themselves struggling with this very difficult decision. No one is “pro-abortion”, but many find themselves in a position where they feel they have no choice. You have suggested things we can do to give these people choices other than abortion.

Thank you so much for sharing with us.

God Bless You!

You are wrong if you do not believe that some people are not “pro-abortion” - sadly many people are exactly that … they are for killing a child if that is more convenient [many people and events in life are not convenient but we can’t just ‘eliminate them’ on our whim]or if the child is not perfect [who is] …

A compassionate person takes action when they see a need. They don’t whine about how someone else [the Church, the Pro-Life people] needs to do something. The truly compassionate person donates money to those in need or volunteers at the Crisis Pregnancy Center. The open their homes to pregnant women in need or start one as Father Taaffe did …

 

[jrgiancola]

Priscilla Ann. Thank you for your kind words of support. That’s what I’m suggesting: practical alternatives.

Other posters: As I’ve said in past postings, I am totally unaware of any of the agencies you have suggested. I shall look into these and see if they are in my area, SW Florida. I’m also considering opening my own pro-life clinic. But I do expect more from my church; talk is cheap, put up the money needed to accomplish the goal. The church has more resources than I do.

Slavery analogy: The government ban on slavery was able to end slavery; a government ban on abortion will NOT end abortion, merely make it illegal. That’s my argument.

Strawberry Jam: I DO hope my misfortune with the St. Vincent de Paul Society does not sour you on the Catholic Church. In all my years of study and experience with other religions, I truly believe that the Catholic Church has the most complete revelation of God to mankind. I don’t agree with all its teachings; every church makes its errors. My church opposed Galileo because he said the sun was the center of the solar system. But when it comes down to knowledge of God and what He desires of mankind, I truly believe in the RCC. Ours, and the orthodox churches, are the only churches that believe in trans-substantiation, that the actual body and blood of Christ becomes present during communion; ours is the only church that believes in the Immaculate Conception; ours is the only Church that understands the Divine Mercy. Ours is the only church that prohibits divorce. The RCC established the doctrines that form the basis for almost every Christian church, even the Protestants; our church assembled the Bible. And our church was blessed with John Paul II, who I hope will soon be Saint John Paul. It’s a worthy church, a blessed church and I hope God soon blesses us with a John Paul III. Joe

 

[YADA]

…Other posters: As I’ve said in past postings, I am totally unaware of any of the agencies you have suggested. I shall look into these and see if they are in my area, SW Florida.

Why didn’t you look into them before you started accusing others of no practical actions to support women expecting babies?

FYI … ramahinternational.org/florida.html and orlandodiocese.org/departments/pastoral_ministries/index.php

I’m also considering opening my own pro-life clinic.

Good … stop talking about it adn do something … You could start smaller though - buy some baby furniture, cloths, diapers, car seats, etc and donate them to an existing charity … and volunteer at a local cneter that actually helps women … how can you expect to make a difference if you do not even make yourself aware of what is already out there … Ever hear that “re-inventing the wheel” is a wasted effort … better to understand the wheel as it exists then make improvemnets …

But I do expect more from my church; talk is cheap, put up the money needed to accomplish the goal. The church has more resources than I do.

The Church has the resources only if you share your resources generously. Unless youa re really wealthy, you will need others to assist you in your efforts … just think, if those you need to enlist remain as ignorant of your efforts as you are of the efforts taking place in your church and your community … your ‘clinic’ will be a failure …

Slavery analogy: The government ban on slavery was able to end slavery; a government ban on abortion will NOT end abortion, merely make it illegal. That’s my argument.

Well, sorry to break this to you … slavery exists in the world today, even in the United States … it is illegal though and immoral and intrinsically evil … Just like abortion is - well except for the illegal part … abortion is muder - intrinsically evil adn immoral …

ANd we have laws against car theft, muder, rape, drug dealing, driving drunk and a host of other crimes - not one of those laws has ever put an end to the activity … not once … just like the 10 Commandments did not stop people from murder, theft adultry or dis-respecting parents … that is the result of our fallen nature … we sin … but that does not mean we do not establish societal laws and norms to prohibit sinful, immoral and intricsically evil actions.

 

[rwillenborg]

To the OP - I don’t know where you live, but at least in the metro Detroit area, the pregnancy clinics are usually within a few dozen feet of the planned parenthood or abortion clinic. LIterally, when sidewalk counselors say ‘I’ll walk you over there’ they mean it.
One of our clinics even has a 4D ultrasound!!! Our church runs several fundraisers every year for the clinics. Other churches also help. The church right next to the clinic offers free child care while the women go ‘shopping’ for free items in the clinic’s store.
Also, after mom to mom sales, people can leave behind whatever children’s items they want and a volunteer from the clinic comes and picks them up.
They sell what they can for cash at the baby resale store and stock their own store with the rest to give away for free.
I’m glad you are impassioned for this. It’s a wonderful cause!
have you contacted any of the pregnancy counseling centers in your area? They’re in the phone book or a simple google search would bring them up. Just call them and ask what they need!!

 

[Schluns]

I am sorry that your priest was not aware of options available to you and your wife during your time of need. Unfortunately, it is the state of many parishes in this day and age. I am thankful that God led you to the pro-life group, so you were able to continue the life of your forth child.

Here is a list of some of the pro-life resources in Southwest Florida, a short search turned up the following, assuming you are in the Venice Diocese. I would encourage you to pass this information on to your priest, so he may better serve your parish. Get the pamphlets from the local clinics and place in your vestibule.

www.catholiccharitiesdov.org
www.actionforlifenaples.com --pro-life council
www.priestsforlife.org
www.thefloridacatholic.com

Capitol Hill Pregnancy Center (2698)
1606 17th St.
Washington, DC 20020 US
Phone: 202-546-1018

Pregnancy and Parenting Support Services (FPSSP) (2813)
1423 Kass Circle
Spring Hill, FL 34606 US
Phone: 352-686-9897

Pregnancy & Parenting Support Svc. (436)
1423 Kass Circle
Spring Hill, FL 34606 US
Phone: 352-683-5533

Life Choice Care Center Inc (390)
305 S Line Ave
Inverness, FL 34451 US
Phone: 352-341-5176

Pregnancy & Parenting Support Services (FPSSP) (378)
37733 Meridian Ave
Dade City, FL 33525 US
Phone: 352-521-1218

Pregnancy & Family Life Center (FPSSP) (391)
317 W Tompkins St
Inverness, FL 34450 US
Phone: 352-344-3030

West Pasco Pregnancy Center (FPSSP) (418)
5330 George Street
New Port Richey, FL 34652 US
Phone: 727-846-9999

ABC Pregnancy Center (3247)
5313 Locust Place
New Port Richey, FL 34652 US
Phone: 800-421-2229

Pregnancy Care Center (455)
38021 8th Ave
Zephyrhills, FL 33542 US
Phone: 813-780-6885

Pregnancy Care Center (443)
14620 N Nebraska Ave, Unit C
Tampa, FL 33613 US
Phone: (813) 978-9737

 

[EvelynEVF]

I am in a small midwestern town, and we not only have our own CPC, there is a maternity home opening half an hour away. There is at least one, maybe two, prolife billboards in town with resource phone #s. A church family runs a clothes-closet for foster parents, since they don’t often get to plan which children might show up when. Every church I can think of here has some kind of a fund for people in need, related to pregnancy or not. We have a food bank, a Salvation Army, Head Start, Angel Food ministries, churches that distribute food and gas once per month, a women’s shelter. . .

There is often a lot out there, but one has to look. Our CPC is advertised and visible, but the other agencies I’ve just had to learn about by networking. For example, the local Parents as Teachers educators know about a lot of services that apply to families with young children.

The Church is doing a huge amount to help women in crisis choose life. You’re right that we cannot say, “Be warm, be filled, God bless you,” and walk away without feeding the hungry and clothing the naked. Banning abortion won’t make it go away any more than banning other forms of murder, but it will greatly decrease the numbers.

 

[jrgiancola]

Dear Schluns, thanks much for the information. I am in the Ft. Myers / Cape Coral Diocese. Do you have any contacts there? If so, please send them to my email at:
jrgiancola@aol.com . Please identify yourself in the subject, as I don’t open email unless I know the sender.

Also, anyone here who wants to know me better can send me a friend invite on Facebook. I’m under Joseph Giancola, Cape Coral, Florida.

 

[jrgiancola]

Dear rwillenborg: That sounds fantastic, just like what I’ve envisioned. Places like you’ve described have an infinitely greater chance of stopping abortion than a governmental ban. I wish more Catholics would understand this and jump on the bandwagon. This is the kind of thing Jesus would have done. He would never have asked the government to solve a moral issue. Joe

 

[jrgiancola]

I have a strong fear of governments legislating morality. God’s morality is constant and perfect; government morality changes with changes in government. I never want to see a theocracy here in America. The fundamentalist born again christians would gladly destroy our constitutional democracy and replace it with the assemblies of god church. That must never happen. Their religion is false and satanic. This is the main reason I am completely against any religion participating in politics or petitioning the government to institute its moral code. Once the religions become intertwined with the government, it’s a slippery slope down hill to a theocracy.

The new health care law will not increase or decrease abortion. Any woman who wants an abortion will find a way to get one. I’ve been asked how much I’ll tolerate to institute health care reform. I ask, how much will any of you tolerate to end abortion? Is it moral to kill an abortion doctor? Is it moral to burn down an abortion clinic? Where do YOU draw the line? Will you seek to deny health care to millions of children, already born, to prove your point? They have rights too, just as the unborn do.

Millions of families need health care; millions of parents cannot take their children to doctors when they need to. A mass H1N1 pandemic is predicted this year or next; a new antibiotic- resistant strain of TB was discovered in my home state just the other day. If these tragedies occur, how are American families to prevent millions of people and children from dying, just as occurred in the early 20th century when pneumonia killed literally millions of Americans? People need health care now. Opposing the bill will not stop abortion; but it may jeopardize the lives of millions of Americans in the year to come. There is much more involved here than just abortion. Should this happen, should such a holocaust occur because people could not get health care, could you face God and defend your decision to block a bill that would prevent all of this?

I have proposed a practical, workable solution to ending abortion. Some of those who have posted here have confirmed that this solution works in their communities. I would rather see a mass effort, campaign if you will, on the part of my church to head in this direction; banning abortion will not stop it. Establishing a pro-life clinic next to every Planned Parenthood clinic in America will have an enormously positive effect in stopping abortions. Why are we wasting our time trying to overturn Roe v. Wade when that is obviously never going to happen? The U.S. Supreme Court rarely overturns one of its decisions. And while we waste our time, the lives of millions of Americans are at risk.

How do you balance out this one? How do you justify denying care to millions of Americans when the action you seek from the government will not have any effect on abortion whatsoever? Joe

 

[Timbothefiveth]

The government ban on slavery was able to end slavery; a government ban on abortion will NOT end abortion, merely make it illegal. That’s my argument.

The government ban on slavery did not end slavery, it just made it illegal and thus drasticly reduced it. There is still a problem with slaves being made to work on farms, in the United States, it’s just incredibly reduced. Why wouldn’t the ban on abortion have the same effect?

He would never have asked the government to solve a moral issue.

He didn’t know any Senators. In a sense, we are the government. We control who gets to vote on what issues. Would He have told a politician to vote for something that pays to kill people?

I have a strong fear of governments legislating morality. God’s morality is constant and perfect; government morality changes with changes in government.

Then why not try to push the government to adopt a constant morality?

The fundamentalist born again christians would gladly destroy our constitutional democracy and replace it with the assemblies of god church. That must never happen. Their religion is false and satanic.

They believe in God the father, God the son, and God the Holy Spirit. While a good portion of their religion is false, it is certainly not satanic.

This is the main reason I am completely against any religion participating in politics or petitioning the government to institute its moral code.

Let’s say it’s 1930 in Germany, or 1860 in America. Would it be okay then, to end slavery or stop the Nazis from getting power? You understand that there is a human rights abuse of that scale happening now, correct?

Once the religions become intertwined with the government, it’s a slippery slope down hill to a theocracy.

Apparently George Washington disagrees, saying it is impossible to govern a nation without the Lord and the bible. You also fail to see that the religions are not becoming intertwined with the government, it is merely advising it.

The new health care law will not increase or decrease abortion. Any woman who wants an abortion will find a way to get one.

Then why would planned parenthood want abortion funding?

 

[benedictus2]

Joe:

Thank you for your posts on the abortion issue. Yours are among the wisest, most practical and compassionate I have read on these forums. To end abortion, affordable, practical solutions must be readily available for those who find themselves struggling with this very difficult decision. No one is “pro-abortion”, but many find themselves in a position where they feel they have no choice. You have suggested things we can do to give these people choices other than abortion.

Thank you so much for sharing with us.

God Bless You!

There is always a choice. Life or death. Choose life.

BTW, I have started a thread to answer your post on WIll I go to hell which was closed.

I tried to PM you to give you the link but you have not enabled that facility.

Here it is. forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=410660

 

[Schluns]

Joe,
I have done a brief search for you in regards to your Diocese, specifically to the area that you referenced above and sent you information regarding the pro-life/respect for life movements in your local area, mind you it took me 10 minutes of googling.

I really hope it helps.

Also, to comment on some of your other posts. Yes you are right you cannot legislate morality, however, by making everything legal, you open the doors for the immoral to tread upon your rights as an individual. By allowing paid abortions, you open up the option of abortion and make it easier to obtain an abortion. If Healthcare states that a 18 yr old can have a paid abortion, but not a 17 year old, then we should allow a 17 yr old to have an abortion, after all its only 12 months difference right?
Remember the slippery slope. We no longer teach morality in our classrooms, and have gone to a feel good society.

Also, I read last night that Planned Parenthood supported abortion clinics performed over 305,000 abortions in 2007 while referring just over 4900 mothers to adoption services.
The first number will only increase if abortion is paid by taxpayers, thus making abortion financially easier.

So for now, if my 2 choices is to have abortion legal and unsupported by taxpayer money or legal and supported by taxpayer money, I will choose the former rather than the latter every time.