A new Catholic (married) woman with a question about headcovering?

[lizaanne]

I am still (as a new Catholic) very distracted by people sneaking out after Communion, or hopping out of church before the Priest process out during the final hymn, or even when nobody else bows or strikes their breast during the appropriate times. I realize how quickly and easily I get distracted by others lack of participation, and so I fear that choosing to headcover for myself would become an issue of false piety. Does that make sense?

It does - but I think you will know it if this happens to you, because it won’t feel right. Trust me - if it feels right then you will know it.

Over on Veiled in Grace there has been some discussion about this. I personally feel that I can “disappear” a bit when my head is covered. I can retreat within my own existence with God - it helps me stay focused, and to tune out distractions around me. It is a reminder to focus on Who is with me, why I am there, what’s going on on the altar. And this speaks to the previous comments about “a piece of cloth” - when my head is covered I KNOW I’m not just shopping or doing laundry. It is an act of putting myself where I need to be physically, emotionally, spiritually. And covering my head helps me do this.

Don’t sell yourself short. If it’s not working for you, you are going to know it. But if you don’t try you will never know.

~Liza

 

[PJM]

=mommamaree;6614970]Can those who support headcoverings for women give me some direction on this topic? If I was informed that the Church in Her wisdom urged headcoverings for women, I would be obedient to its authority. I trust the leading of the Church, but I also see that certain topics, like headcoverings, are fraught with conflict. I have seen only one older lady in our parish wear beautiful hats to Mass every week, but I have never seen anyone else wearing any kind of headcovering. I am very interested in seeing references to Church documents that I could use to learn what the Magisterium or Canon Law says (whichever type of authority applies here, and I am still so ignorant about these things).

My husband and I have talked about this issue several times in the past few months as
1st. Tim. 2: 9" also that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire [10] but by good deeds, as befits women who profess religion."

From Kof C site:

Beyond that, there is but one more element of dress that speaks volumes of our Catholic identity – the mantilla… [head covering]

The mantilla comes to Catholicism directly from our Jewish roots in apostolic times (1st Corinthians 11). In fact, Orthodox Jewish women continue with this same custom today. I have written extensively about the mantilla in a previous post (read here), but suffice it to say that** while it is no longer required in the Code of Canon Law, it is nevertheless a Catholic tradition that has never been abrogated. In fact, Catholic women all around the world continue to practice it. Only in the United States, Canada and Australia has the custom been dropped,** and mainly because of feminist propaganda suggesting that the practice of female head covering was a means of male domination. We have to understand that in the industrialized West, Catholic women are under tremendous peer pressure to not cover their heads during worship. So few women do it anymore, that the lack of practice actually does more to discourage the practice than the ridiculous propaganda against it. Some women may fear what others may think if they should wear a mantilla. It’s sort of a fashion phobia, wherein they think “nobody else is wearing one, so I’ll look out of place if I do.” While some women fear a feminist lashing if they practice good Catholic modesty, afraid they may be accused of “submitting” to male dominance. Such fears are unwarranted. Most hard-core feminists left the Church long ago, and as for the fashion phobia, the vast majority of women in Church would probably join in the practice if just a few brave women stood up to the plate

Hope this helps?

Its Church practice not church law; but nevertheless a sing of piety to be encouragd.

Love nd prayers,
Pat

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

Of course, I’m a guy so what do I know

You’re part of this too!

Women cover their heads at Church for the same reason that men uncover them. The priest processes up to the altar and removes his biretta (or mitre or other ecclesiastical haberdashery*). The male faithful take their hats off when they enter the Church.

St. Paul says that men should not pray covered and that women should not pray uncovered. If asking women to cover their heads at Church is patriarchal misogyny (as one poster expressed), is asking men to uncover their heads matriarchal misandry? If it is now okay for a woman to enter a Church not wearing a hat, is it okay for the men to wear one? If it is a “personal choice” for women to do have their heads covered or not, is it a “personal choice” for men?

Do we hold men to a different standard than women?
1Cor 11:4-5:

Every man praying or prophesying with his head covered, disgraceth his head. But every woman praying or prophesying with her head not covered, disgraceth her head

HT: Fr. Longenecker's "Mantilla the Hon"

 

[Miserys_Fence]

Men wrote the Bible but God inspired them.

Infallible men who never misunderstand or misinterpret?

When I need to ask what God wants of me, I go to Him in prayer and meditation. No one else.

Miz

 

[Miserys_Fence]

You have it completely backwards. Love (caritas) is an act of the will, not an emotion (Summa, II, II, 24, 1).

Here is where we have to agree to disagree. “Love” is God working though us in the highest manner. If you’re doing something out of Love, you don’t mind doing it, even if it’s something that you would otherwise find unenjoyable, when not done out of love. “Duty” is something you have to do, and although an individual may personally find any particular duty enjoyable, it isn’t always so.

I did not get pregnant thinking that my babies would sleep through the night or that the Magic Fairy was going to change their diapers for me. I wanted them and love them, and I knew that babies/children are hard work, but I took care of them because I love them. Yes, one can see having to feed or change a baby as an unenjoyable duty–after all, failure to do either of these for a prolonged period of time would constitute child abuse, which is illegal. My motivation for caring for them was because I love them, I wanted them to be happy and healthy–not fear of going to jail. Love vs. duty.
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But what she needs to do, rather than rebel against the veil and burn her bra on the steps of the capitol building, is learn to love the veil.

Again,. Love is God’s working through us, not something you force yourself to “learn.” Sure, I can force myself to get up at 3am and go jogging every morning, but that’s a far cry from saying “I LOVE jogging!” Will I ever get used to it? Probably, if I keep it up long enough. Will I "learn to love"it? Not bloodly likely.

Miz

 

[Tantum_ergo]

Infallible men who never misunderstand or misinterpret?

When I need to ask what God wants of me, I go to Him in prayer and meditation. No one else.

Miz

But without any authority, how do you ‘know’ that you hear “Him?” I mean, as a Catholic, I most certainly pray to God, daily. But if, for an example, I were in a situation where I was unsure of what a scriptural teaching was saying --for example, is John 6:66 to be considered as “literal” or “figurative” (as there is a HUGE difference and a very huge consequence resulting from which of the two is ‘true’). . .suppose I ‘hear’ God saying, “It’s figurative, ignore the Catholics and the Orthodox, the Episcopalians and the Lutherans, in fact, ignore any ‘organized’ religion, becuz Christianity is just you-and-me, kiddo”. . .

How can I be SURE that the “spirit” I hear is God? We know from Scripture that Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light --what if it is SATAN who pretends to be God?

How can I be sure that I am ‘righteous’ enough that God will ‘get through’ when Scripture again tells us that false spirits can and DO confuse the righteous ones?

How can I be sure that the nagging little ‘doubts’ I might feel (having decided to say accept that it MUST HAVE BEEN GOD saying ‘figurative’) aren’t really God trying to tell me, “Hon, you were deceived!” Of course, I’m telling myself, “Oh, those doubts are SATAN trying to make me ‘change’.”

Scripture tells us that the pillar of authority is the Church (not an individual person). . .but here are people who aren’t even going to their PASTOR or bringing this up among their congregations, somehow thinking that ultimate ‘authority’ is based on a 'me-n-Jesus" communication where they have absolutely no guarantee but their own subjective FEELING that they even ARE communicating with God. . .

And here is a very puzzling notion, Misery. . .

On the one hand, you put to scorn (so to speak) the idea that those who were found worthy by God to pen the Scriptures did so ‘inerrantly.’ You are convinced that they could have erred or been mistaken,

yet you insist that when it comes to your own PERSONAL ‘communication’ with God, when you hear Him, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO EVER ERR YOURSELF in understanding HIM???

That’s what you’re saying, in essence. . .that you, Misery, in ‘going direct to God and nobody else’ are going to be given, by Him, 100% perfect ‘instruction’ which you are going to interpret, infallibly, 100%.

Do you see the disconnect here?

 

[lizaanne]

Here is where we have to agree to disagree.

I don’t want to drag this off topic, but you seem to “agree to disagree” with a lot of what the Church has to say. As someone who has “becoming Catholic” in their profile, you may want to think about that very very seriously.

~Liza

 

[MelanieAnne]

I started out in this thread wondering along with my South Carolina sister and have read a lot of the posts (if I missed some I’m sorry!)

Because I am old enough to remember showing respect by covering my head (including when I was blessed to see St. Peter’s in Rome!) when I entered a church, even when I was not a member of the Catholic faith at the time, I was curious about this topic.

I am a recently converted Catholic (previously Episcopalian). I have been a Catholic for only a few years. I am a member of the Traditional Choir (the closest we get to “high church”) in our parish. Because there are no kneelers in the Choir loft, I am the only person in the choir that kneels (on the bare floor) during the consecration (some members stand and bow at certain points, a few strike their breast at pertinent points, but I am the only one that kneels.)

I don’t kneel during the consecration to draw attention to myself or to make a show of piety. I do it because, after a few years in the choir, I realized that EVERYONE kneeled (despite the fact that there were no kneelers) during certain points of the Good Friday ritual, and it didn’t make sense to me that we should omit kneeling at other times of the year. (Hypocrisy is a big deal to me and I didn’t want to be a hypocrit!) Besides, as a (beloved Catholic) friend once pointed out to me, the Mass is SUPPOSED TO BE A SACRIFICE, so I am doing my part, as best I can. And you know what? it’s not that big a deal. It really doesn’t HURT!

No one else in the choir does this during the consecration. I don’t feel weird about it that I do, it’s just a fact that I do.

At the time of my confirmation, my (Catholic) cousin wished that she had sent me a veil before my confirmation. I would be very comfortable covering my head, because that is my understanding of what is appropriate, going back to my childhood. Having said that, I would not want to make an example of myself, nor would I want to be the poster-girl of false piety.

Very few women in my parish cover their head, in any way. It’s very hard to know what to do. The one thing I don’t want to do is to be accuse of “false piety”. I’d rather do nothing than have it come to that!

So I am still wondering.

 

[floresco]

Very few women in my parish cover their head, in any way. It’s very hard to know what to do. The one thing I don’t want to do is to be accuse of “false piety”. I’d rather do nothing than have it come to that!

I don’t understand this. Why does it matter if someone accuses you of false piety?
Would you care if someone accused you of theft? of murder? of adultery? Since you know that you have not done these things, it is a baseless accusation. It is the person who accuses who is doing something wrong, not you.

 

[Miserys_Fence]

Do you see the disconnect here?

The only disconnect I see is that you are certain that I am not interpreting God correctly, but a bunch of guys hundreds of years ago did. What makes you so sure they weren’t the ones being fooled?

Anyone can say “God told me…” and how do you know who to believe and who not to? You have to go with your own discernment and common sense.

As you may have noticed, I am highly distrustful of people (this includes women too). I know all too well how vulnerable we are–myself included–and that’s why I take my refuge in God and not the words of mankind.

Miz

 

[Miserys_Fence]

I don’t want to drag this off topic, but you seem to “agree to disagree” with a lot of what the Church has to say. As someone who has “becoming Catholic” in their profile, you may want to think about that very very seriously.

~Liza

Are you saying the Catholic Church does NOT believe that Love is the highest working of God through us? The Church I attend seems to think it is.

Miz

 

[Tantum_ergo]

The only disconnect I see is that you are certain that I am not interpreting God correctly, but a bunch of guys hundreds of years ago did. What makes you so sure they weren’t the ones being fooled?

Anyone can say “God told me…” and how do you know who to believe and who not to? You have to go with your own discernment and common sense.

As you may have noticed, I am highly distrustful of people (this includes women too). I know all too well how vulnerable we are–myself included–and that’s why I take my refuge in God and not the words of mankind.

Miz

Wait, you’re telling me that absolute knowledge that you’re truly hearing God and not some other spirit rests on “discernment and common sense?” Then why were those who wrote the Scripture not capable of using such? How do you reconcile those who, with great sincerity and ‘trust’, are SURE that God told them that gay marriage is peachy keen, but others (with equal sincerity and trust) are SURE that God told THEM that gay marriage is forbidden?

The Holy Spirit does not teach against Himself. The Holy Spirit does not give one ‘truth’ to Misery’s Fence and an another, opposite ‘truth’ to Tantum Ergo, and which one is real truth does not depend on either Misery’s OR Tantum’s ‘discernment and common sense’, but on which is ACTUALLY TRUTH. Jesus died and rose from the dead. That is a TRUTH, but to the average person with ‘discernment and common sense’ it would seem a lie. . .nobody has ever ‘risen from the dead’, there is no ‘hard physical evidence’, etc. Discernment and common sense ALONE (your criteria for judging truth) would deny this truth.

Yes, I see your distrust, but I don’t see how isolating yourself in a false idea that you (personally) can totally understand and communicate with God (based on your discernment and common sense) and that this ‘trumps’ any kind of legitimate authority (Scripture does tell us that the CHURCH is that authority, not Scripture itself, and certainly not, as 2Peter notes, ‘private interpretation’) is helping you.

God bless.

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

Infallible men who never misunderstand or misinterpret?

Not in regards to writing Scripture, no. Nobody is saying St. Paul or any of the other authors of the Bible were perfect people. St. Paul ravaged the Church and killed many people for being Christian before his conversion and it took a while for people to accept that his conversion was for real and to trust him. Was he a perfect person? Of course not. But the writings of his, and others, that we call Scripture are without error and expressly inspired by God – this is a dogma of the faith!

When I need to ask what God wants of me, I go to Him in prayer and meditation. No one else.

So you trust your own judgment more than that of the Church that Christ established to preserve and teach the faith? That’s a terrible trap. If your prayers and meditation lead to something which is in conflict with Church teachings, then your answers are not from God.

It is impossible for the Bible to be in error because it comes from God:

t is absolutely wrong and forbidden, either to narrow inspiration to certain parts only of Holy Scripture, or to admit that the sacred writer has erred. For the system of those who, in order to rid themselves of these difficulties, do not hesitate to concede that divine inspiration regards the things of faith and morals, and nothing beyond, because (as they wrongly think) in a question of the truth or falsehood of a passage, we should consider not so much what God has said as the reason and purpose which He had in mind in saying it – this system cannot be tolerated. For all the books which the Church receives as sacred and canonical, are written wholly and entirely, with all their parts, at the dictation of the Holy Ghost; and so far is it from being possible that any error can co-exist with inspiration, that inspiration not only is essentially incompatible with error, but excludes and rejects it as absolutely and necessarily as it is impossible that God Himself, the supreme Truth, can utter that which is not true. This is the ancient and unchanging faith of the Church, solemnly defined in the Councils of Florence and of Trent, and finally confirmed and more expressly formulated by the Council of the Vatican.

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

Here is where we have to agree to disagree. “Love” is God working though us in the highest manner. If you’re doing something out of Love, you don’t mind doing it, even if it’s something that you would otherwise find unenjoyable, when not done out of love. “Duty” is something you have to do, and although an individual may personally find any particular duty enjoyable, it isn’t always so.

I did not get pregnant thinking that my babies would sleep through the night or that the Magic Fairy was going to change their diapers for me. I wanted them and love them, and I knew that babies/children are hard work, but I took care of them because I love them. Yes, one can see having to feed or change a baby as an unenjoyable duty–after all, failure to do either of these for a prolonged period of time would constitute child abuse, which is illegal. My motivation for caring for them was because I love them, I wanted them to be happy and healthy–not fear of going to jail. Love vs. duty.

No, that’s love vs. fear of punishment. Punishment is a negative, duty is a positive. We have children and we love them, even if we aren’t always happy with them at the moment. Love is a not about a feeling of love, like with a new boyfriend or whatever, it’s about commitment, which is about the will. How do I know my man won’t wake up and not feel in love with me anymore and pick up some other girl? Because it’s not about feelings, it’s about commitment, which is in the will.

Again,. Love is God’s working through us, not something you force yourself to “learn.” Sure, I can force myself to get up at 3am and go jogging every morning, but that’s a far cry from saying “I LOVE jogging!” Will I ever get used to it? Probably, if I keep it up long enough. Will I "learn to love"it? Not bloodly likely.

We learn by doing, by repetition. That’s how we learn to love things. Many people do enjoy jogging and do it recreationally, not necessarily because they are terrified they are going to die of a heart attack if they don’t. We must avoid evil because it is evil, not for fear of punishment. We must embrace good because it is good, not for desire of a reward. Eventually people learn to love what is good and hate what is bad.

Our Lady loved the Cross, was she elated when she was kneeling at the foot of the Cross watching Her Divine Son die upon the Cross? Of course not. But she embraced it and loved it just as she embraced the other sufferings in her life. The saints learn to love the crosses that God sends them because they are the means by which the soul is purified and raised to God. It is a means by which they can join with Christ on the Cross and this is perfected by the martyrs but all martyrs die to themselves long before they die physically.

If love was an emotion, how could it be compatible with suffering? How could one learn to love suffering? Advancement in the spiritual life is exchanging a lower good for a higher good. Being free from physical, emotional, and spiritual pain is a lower good but the higher, spiritual good, is to go through physical, emotional, and spiritual pain in order be purified and give greater glory to God. Supernatural love is therefore in the higher soul, in the intellect (where will is), not in the lower soul, in the emotions.

Charity is an infused virtue, which comes from God, not an emotion which we generate. See 1Cor 13.

We love the veil as a proximate good because it is a way of giving glory to God, Who is the absolute good. It gives God glory because it is a sign of humility, modesty, respect, obedience and embraces our femininity ~ celebrating the way God made us as distinct from men, who remove their head coverings to pray.

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

I take my refuge in God and not the words of mankind.

No, you are not trusting in God, you are trusting in yourself in opposition to God.

As the above poster stated, why are you “converting to Catholicism” if you don’t believe even the basics of what the Catholic Church teaches? Indeed, if you don’t trust the Bible, why are you even Christian? How do you know anything about this Jesus person?

 

[paperwight]

Beyond that, there is but one more element of dress that speaks volumes of our Catholic identity – the mantilla… [head covering], Catholic women all around the world continue to practice it**. Only in the United States, Canada and Australia has the custom been dropped,** **
Hope this helps? **

No, that’s not so. It’s dropped in the UK, Spain, Luxenbourg and the Netherlands,for a start, from personal experience, and I dare say people more travelled than I can chip in with other examples.

 

[mommamaree]

No, you are not trusting in God, you are trusting in yourself in opposition to God.

As the above poster stated, why are you “converting to Catholicism” if you don’t believe even the basics of what the Catholic Church teaches? Indeed, if you don’t trust the Bible, why are you even Christian? How do you know anything about this Jesus person?

PilgrimToChrist -
I understand your concerns, but these matters are for Misery to discern with her priest. The tone of your questioning here does not seem very charitable. I think we can offer Misery better than this; indeed, if she is to someday become confirmed in the Church, we owe it to her to offer her explanations for her to consider and challenges for her to ponder, so that the Holy Spirit can lead her to the Truth. It is not our responsibility to judge her in her difficulties with trusting authority. I so understand where she is right now, and it took a huge leap of faith for me to surrender and believe, and that leap of faith came for me when the Holy Spirit prepared my heart and mind for it. In fact, for me it took a miscarriage and a desire to learn about healthy sexuality that sent me running to the Church because of the beautiful and wondrous vision they have been trusted with transmitting of what God considers we finite human beings capable. It was that beauty after despair that drew me in, not anyone’s aggressive challenges. You know what I am saying?

 

[mommamaree]

Here is where we have to agree to disagree. “Love” is God working though us in the highest manner. If you’re doing something out of Love, you don’t mind doing it, even if it’s something that you would otherwise find unenjoyable, when not done out of love. “Duty” is something you have to do, and although an individual may personally find any particular duty enjoyable, it isn’t always so.

I did not get pregnant thinking that my babies would sleep through the night or that the Magic Fairy was going to change their diapers for me. I wanted them and love them, and I knew that babies/children are hard work, but I took care of them because I love them. Yes, one can see having to feed or change a baby as an unenjoyable duty–after all, failure to do either of these for a prolonged period of time would constitute child abuse, which is illegal. My motivation for caring for them was because I love them, I wanted them to be happy and healthy–not fear of going to jail. Love vs. duty.
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Again,. Love is God’s working through us, not something you force yourself to “learn.” Sure, I can force myself to get up at 3am and go jogging every morning, but that’s a far cry from saying “I LOVE jogging!” Will I ever get used to it? Probably, if I keep it up long enough. Will I "learn to love"it? Not bloodly likely.

Miz

Misery,
I think maybe you have a punitive view of the meaning of duty, and that may be the root of all of our disagreements about love and duty. Think about your marriage vows, as an example. ‘for better or for worse, for richer or for poorer, in sickness and in health’ Do any of these discuss emotions as being the guiding force behind your ability to honor your vows? No, love is an act of will. This is what the Church teaches, and this is what I have always understood, and it is one of the reasons I became Catholic. The Church has some of the most amazing teachings regarding love that I have ever encountered anywhere. We recognize when we recite our vows that it may happen that we go through periods where we don’t FEEL very loving, but we are still obligated to ACT with love. There is a difference between loving feelings and loving actions. Feelings are subject to change, especially when we go through difficult circumstances. Actions are concrete, and we may continue to demonstrate love even through times when we just aren’t feeling it. God gives us that ability, although we have to be willing to cooperate with Him. So when we talk about duty, we are not thinking about any punitive aspects. We are thinking about those things that we are obligated to do for those that are either entrusted to our care, or those to whom we have bound our lives, or even those whom we encounter in our lives. Those obligations are defined and delineated for us by our societies, but more importantly, by our chosen faith, the Holy Catholic Church. Through proper authorities, we may learn what love demands of us. Unfortunately, in today’s world, society would have us believe that love doesn’t demand a whole lot, and indeed that we may be obligated to someone only as long as love shall last. This is not true love, this is not God’s love. It is a selfish possessive attachment to the object of one’s desire, instead of a covenant between two human beings. So when you hear Catholics or Muslims or Jews speaking about love and duty, responsibility and obligation, you are really hearing them speak about the kind of love God demands us to give each other, IN OPPOSITION TO that frivolous notion of ‘love’ that secular society likes to promote.
I hope this helps. I know this is not central to the topic of this thread, but I felt like it was so important for all of us participating in this discussion to have a clear idea in their head what the words we are using actually mean.

 

[mommamaree]

I don’t understand this. Why does it matter if someone accuses you of false piety?
Would you care if someone accused you of theft? of murder? of adultery? Since you know that you have not done these things, it is a baseless accusation. It is the person who accuses who is doing something wrong, not you.

I know you were responding to MelanieAnne, but I would like to respond to this for a couple of reasons. First, if my behavior were so distracting during Mass that someone was unable to fully participate, or if it led them to be so angry that they were in danger of unworthily receiving Communion, I would deeply regret that. Of course, that is not always within my control and some people are easily distracted or easily angered. But it is a responsibility for all of us to show some decorum at Mass, yet? And some people might interpret my actions as inflammatory, as if I were making a political statement in Mass. Now this is not a true concern of my own, but I can totally understand where MelanieAnne is coming from here.
Second, my own greater concern is that I wouldn’t want to realize that a spiritual discipline well begun had deteriorated in my heart to the point where I was guilty of arrogance and feeling superior to my fellow Catholic women who choose not to headcover. I already know that I am easily distracted by people not participating in the Mass (I think this might be because I am still trying to learn all the different parts and the proper postures and attitudes for it, and so if my neighbors were modeling what I should be doing, it would be so much easier for me to follow along, physically, mentally, and spiritually). I already know that I struggle with vanity and intellectual pride. So my question is, would a discipline of humility and obedience lead me to the proper inward attitude, or would it activate all my worst sins and cause a break in charity with my Lord and my fellow Catholics? See, this is why some of us hesitate. We may feel called to do this, but are fearful that it might have exactly the opposite of the intended effect, simply because our own weaknesses and because NO ONE else is doing it right now.

And in answer to your subsequent questions, I would absolutely care if someone accused me of theft, murder or adultery! Even and especially if I was innocent. Those are serious accusations that can ruin someone’s life, as well as the lives of their loved ones. Even when a person is said to not be guilty in a court of law, the court of public opinion tends to assume the person just got away with it. So it is imperative that we not give reason for someone to bring a claim against us, and it is imperative for us to respond appropriately to calumny or slander. A lot hangs in the balance. And yes, I do know that Jesus suffered calumny and slander without protest, but that doesn’t mean that anytime anyone speaks against a Christian that they should not respond to the accusations. In fact, we often have a responsibility to defend our reputation and expose the accuser as a liar.

 

[lizaanne]

Are you saying the Catholic Church does NOT believe that Love is the highest working of God through us? The Church I attend seems to think it is.

Miz

Wow - you TOTALLY missed my point. I fear it’s beyond you to get it.

~Liza