A New Eucharist Invention!

[Eliza10]

I just returned from Mass. The priest held the host,said “Body of Christ”, put it in my hand as I said Amen. I thought about this post while at Mass.

You are lucky to be a “Mom of 5”!

As far as the deacon saying it “boldly”, thats just what I noticed. He is very personality-forward. I think thats how they train them here. Its our diosean quirk. Or should I say disorder?

I am afraid that “Estesbob” may be right - - he said:

*“The Deacon is making the distribtion of Communion all about HIM-not about giving people the Body of Christ. Anytime you see anyone do these “cute” little innovations you know its all ego driven and all about bringing attention to themsleves.” *

I must say it really seems this way. Very much so.

Funny how I never paid a lot of attention to what order the priest presented the Eucharist. I have been in prayer recieving the Eucharist, not concerned with what the priest/deacon/Eucharist minister did correctly…

Frankly thats exactly what I try to do, all the time, but something jarred me this time, and I had to find out what it was. When I realized what was so off, it truly bothered me. I feel I was supposed to notice this. It was not an error, but a specific act, in his position as teacher and model of the Catholic Faith, to teach a minimization of Our Lord Jesus Christ in the Eucharist at the moment of presentation.

I feel sick about it.

I feel sick for all the people who are beign robbed of their right as Catholics. True teaching on what is Catholic from their own parish. The wrong order of things is being taught as the right order of things. These acts have big ramifications.

Its wrong.

 

[MariaG]

Thanks for explaining the heirarchy - I didn’t know.

Only thing is, I don’t have a great deal of confidence our bishop will care about liturgical abuses and disrespect for Our Lord in the Eucharist. Of course I can’t be sure until I try. But suppose I do bring it up and he doesn’t care, or, more likely, being he seems very diplomatic, he could possibly say, “We’ll look into it,” and then do nothing about it at all, while Mass after Mass continues in the same way.

What do I do then?

Also, what is the proper procedure for informing the bishop of a problem?

Although I do not have the answer to your question, I do wish to encourage to follow through with all the advice given in how to try and get this fixed.

This issue is more than just disrespecting the authority of the Church and the “rules”.

This is about disrespecting Christ.

While we all are part of the Body of Christ, during communion, we have the Real Presence of Christ in our midst. To fail to have each and every individual who is recieving Our Lord, be presented with this fact acknowledge it with a big AMEN, could lead to disbelief in the Real Presence of Christ.

May God bless you and guide you through this.

Maria

 

[Eliza10]

This issue is more than just disrespecting the authority of the Church and the “rules”.

This is about disrespecting Christ.

While we all are part of the Body of Christ, during communion, we have the Real Presence of Christ in our midst. To fail to have each and every individual who is recieving Our Lord, be presented with this fact acknowledge it with a big AMEN, could lead to disbelief in the Real Presence of Christ.

May God bless you and guide you through this.

Maria

Thank you Maria. You are right. It is all about disrespecting Christ. Thats why I don’t feel I can ignore this. I really do ignore a lot. I do this so well I can’t even tell you what I ignore! I try to just focus on what is true and right and let my conscience dictate my actions. But the action of this deacon feels so disturbing to me that it is simply wrong - and selfish, really - for me to ignore it.

As soon as what my next action should be becomes clear, I will take it.

 

[MariaG]

As soon as what my next action should be becomes clear, I will take it.

May God bless you with clarity and success in your fight *for Christ *and the respect due to Our Lord.

Your sister in Christ,
Maria

 

[estesbob]

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Truth be told!
(you can’t know how much I admire your way with words!)

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[estesbob]

Clearly heresy and yet another example of Novus Ordo abuse of the Blessed Sacrament and the hierarchy’s refusal to correct abuse.

We only chastise schismatics who say the TLM. This doesn’t warrant serious attention.

Giuseppe when you watch you favorite football team and they get a penalty called on them do you yell “Another Novos Ordo Abuse!!” at your TV? Just curious.

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[Michael_Welter]

Also, what is the proper procedure for informing the bishop of a problem?

Just write a letter. That’s all it takes. Be specific in your letter. Gives names and dates. That will help.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

Thanks for explaining the heirarchy - I didn’t know.

Only thing is, I don’t have a great deal of confidence our bishop will care about liturgical abuses and disrespect for Our Lord in the Eucharist. Of course I can’t be sure until I try. But suppose I do bring it up and he doesn’t care, or, more likely, being he seems very diplomatic, he could possibly say, “We’ll look into it,” and then do nothing about it at all, while Mass after Mass continues in the same way.

What do I do then?

Also, what is the proper procedure for informing the bishop of a problem?

Write a simple letter stating the facts. Explain that you cannot say “Amen” if there is no Host presented to you to acknowledge as Christ’s Real Presence. You could quote Church documents specifying exactly how Holy Communion is to be distributed. But the Bishop knows the documents and it does not need to be pointed out.

 

[Eliza10]

Thank you Brother Rich and Michael. I was so surprised when the deacon hadn’t changed yet when the priest knew about it. Today I asked the Priest if he was aware the deacon was still doing it the same, and he said he was, and he’ll take care of it. He is a good priest, so i assume he will. But I will let you know! Its wrong for it to continue. If nothing changes I will write that letter to the bishop as the next step.

 

[Brendan]

The city where you are posting from says it all.

Your problems have lasted for about 3 decades…and nothing has been done about it.

My thoughts exactly!

My first impression was that the bishop should be informed. But in this case, it might be like talking to a brick wall.

Even so, write the bishop but deliberatly cc the Papal Nuncio.

 

[johnnykins]

Inform the Bishop. The Deacon is responsible to the Bishop not the parish priest.

I believe the second post noted that the Diocese is Rochester NY. So we know that it’s a non-starter to go to the Bishop. You better go to the Nuncio - at least copy the Nuncio.

 

[joshua1]

A even more horrible presentation I heard one time was “Receive what you are, the Body of Christ” Yes we are the Body of Christ but not the actual risen glorified Body of Christ which the Eucharist is. It still makes me cringe even to this day.

 

[davy39]

I had our priest tell me, “the Body of Christ, Dave”. Not a big deal, I guess, but a little uncalled for.

 

[Brenda_V]

Thank you Brother Rich and Michael. I was so surprised when the deacon hadn’t changed yet when the priest knew about it. Today I asked the Priest if he was aware the deacon was still doing it the same, and he said he was, and he’ll take care of it. He is a good priest, so i assume he will. But I will let you know! Its wrong for it to continue. If nothing changes I will write that letter to the bishop as the next step.

Eliza,

Could it be that the Priest is somehow afraid of this deacon? Or he wants all of his ducks in a row before he confronts him? Give him some of those ducks, give him the GIRM references others have quoted here with a smile on your face and understanding that sometimes his time is so tight that he can’t always get with the Deacon. I know for myself sometimes getting my schedule to mesh with someone elses schedule for important discussions can take up to a month to do. This is something I am sure your Priest would consider needing a face to face correction/discussion.

In the meantime pray for that time to appear for the two of them to be able to get together and pray for forgiveness for such an abuse to Our Lord and Savior!

Brenda V.

 

[MariaG]

I had our priest tell me, “the Body of Christ, Dave”. Not a big deal, I guess, but a little uncalled for.

Uncalled for your priest to say your name after announcing the body of Christ?

What is wrong with this? It is not trying to draw attention to you by saying your name, but to draw your attention to Christ.

 

[Brendan]

Uncalled for your priest to say your name after announcing the body of Christ?

What is wrong with this? It is not trying to draw attention to you by saying your name, but to draw your attention to Christ.

The GIRM is specific on what is to be said by both the minister and the recipient

The minister says “Corpus Christi” or “The Body of Christ” and the recipient replies “Amen”

There is no provision for including any other words, including the recpients Christian Name.

Overall, I’ve heard worse, but it is still something that is not allowed.

 

[CRW]

Our deacon has invented a new method for handing out the Eucharist.

He looks each communicant in the eye, and while doing so, he pronounces boldly: “The Body of Christ.”

[In response to this, a communicant normally says:“Amen.”]

Then he looks down to his bowl and picks a Eucharist out and hands it to the communicant.

This deacon defends this practice saying that the *parishoner *represents the Body of Christ.

He does this inventive proceedure while standing alongside the Priest, who does it the way its always done.

The Priest has been informed, but the practice continues.

What do you think?

What would you do?

Copy post number six and provide it to the deacon. Don’t expect a change, so make two copies and give one to the priest. If this does not eliminate the problem, write your Bishop.

 

[giuseppeTO]

Giuseppe when you watch you favorite football team and they get a penalty called on them do you yell “Another Novos Ordo Abuse!!” at your TV? Just curious.

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Bob,

In all honesty, I am a retired ECAC college football referee. I just do high school these days. But whenever I throw a flag for Unsportsmanlike Conduct, I always say to myself “…this never happened before Vatican II …”

In Christo