A *new kind* of politics

[otjm]

You jumped out of perfectly good airplanes?

We had a saying about that when I was in the Army. Not really repeatable here…

 

[otjm]

And just exactly who is it who is going to put the code into the computer?

A liberal - and we will start off where the New Green Deal began and really go off the edge of the earth.

A conservative - and we will make Hitler and Stalin and Mao look like choir boys.

The underlying assumption with AI is that common sense will rule the day; and as Voltaire remarked, the problem with common sense is that it is not all that common. And AI will make it more so? Really?

Sounds like the makings of a good short movie; you might contact DUST with the suggestion, if they have not already done one or two.

 

[KMC]

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[vern_humphrey]

A conservative - and we will make Hitler and Stalin and Mao look like choir boys.

Let me point out that Hitler, Stalin and Mao were all Leftists. “Nazi” stands for “National Zocialism.”

 

[vern_humphrey]

You jumped out of perfectly good airplanes?

How many pilots do you know? I will trust those I know to get me off the ground, but not to get me back down again.

 

[otjm]

A point I have held in the past, but have been soundly corrected. I am sure we could come up with some far right clowns who were genocidal. In any event, I would like to know who the “keeper” of the AI would be, to see it did not go off the charts and into lala land.

And having rode a rocket seat in 'Nam a number of times, I can recall the trepidation of having to yank on the handle. Rotated through a number of pilots, including one who flew down a canal so low we had to skid around the corners. Nothing like looking up at the palm trees whizzing by.

 

[vern_humphrey]

The purpose of the Old Testament was to prepare for the coming of Christ. Thus the Old Testament is full of typology for what was to come in the New Testament…

And having rode a rocket seat in 'Nam a number of times, I can recall the trepidation of having to yank on the handle. Rotated through a number of pilots, including one who flew down a canal so low we had to skid around the corners. Nothing like looking up at the palm trees whizzing by.

I would fly with Pappy Morgan at times (he had been a Flying Tiger). He flew the L19 (later called the O1-E). We found a sampan up against the bank, under the trees, and went down to take a look – with the wheels nearly touching the water. We drew fire.

Pappy made another few passes, and I emptied my M2 carbine several times. Then he passed me his M16 and I shot up all his ammo. He came around again, and passed me the .45 he was carrying in his shoulder holster. With that in one hand and my Colt 357 in the other, we made another pass.

He went around one more time, and I just leaned out the window and shrugged at the VC, and he shrugged back.

You can’t hardly have fun like that no more.

 

[Wozza]

Just everything based on surveys via the internet…

I’m really not sure that democracy is all it’s cracked up to be. The whole idea of a democratic system is to enable a well-informed and politically educated people to vote into power those who are best suited to run a government.

Needless to say it doesn’t seem to be working these days. Where are the philosopher kings that we need as opposed to the clown princes we get?

 

[EloyCraft]

If it worked, eventually we would become uunable to govern ourselves. I don’t like that thought.

 

[Minks]

Adairio:

Just everything based on surveys via the internet…

I’m really not sure that democracy is all it’s cracked up to be. The whole idea of a democratic system is to enable a well-informed and politically educated people to vote into power those who are best suited to run a government.

Needless to say it doesn’t seem to be working these days. Where are the philosopher kings that we need as opposed to the clown princes we get?

Adairio:

Just everything based on surveys via the internet…

I’m really not sure that democracy is all it’s cracked up to be. The whole idea of a democratic system is to enable a well-informed and politically educated people to vote into power those who are best suited to run a government.

Needless to say it doesn’t seem to be working these days. Where are the philosopher kings that we need as opposed to the clown princes we get?

@Wozza

If you’re referring to the United States, we have a republic, not a democracy.

 

[Wozza]

Wozza:

Adairio:

Just everything based on surveys via the internet…

I’m really not sure that democracy is all it’s cracked up to be. The whole idea of a democratic system is to enable a well-informed and politically educated people to vote into power those who are best suited to run a government.

Needless to say it doesn’t seem to be working these days. Where are the philosopher kings that we need as opposed to the clown princes we get?

Adairio:

Just everything based on surveys via the internet…

I’m really not sure that democracy is all it’s cracked up to be. The whole idea of a democratic system is to enable a well-informed and politically educated people to vote into power those who are best suited to run a government.

Needless to say it doesn’t seem to be working these days. Where are the philosopher kings that we need as opposed to the clown princes we get?

@Wozza

If you’re referring to the United States, we have a republic, not a democracy.

I’m referring to a few nations actually.

And a republic is simply a system wherein governance is considered to be a public affair. And what you have in the States is an electoral democracy aka a representative democracy. The only true democracy is where the entire population makes all the important decisions via referenda.

 

[whatistrue]

You jumped out of perfectly good airplanes?

There never was a “perfectly good” airplane. The best you can get is “functional”. Anyone who ever maintained or repaired them can tell you the same.

 

[Theo520]

Special interests would blow up the server room.

Wouldn’t work at all.

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

Just everything based on surveys via the internet,

Thanks a lump. Now I really won’t be able to sleep tonight.

 

[Dolphin]

And who programs this AI? Would have to be the rich and educated and elite of society. Ends up putting more elitist control in the hands of government.

From the perspective of myself, a Political Scientist

 

[otjm]

So perhaps I should have prefaced my comment with the fact that this was what we said in the ARmy in the late 1960’s to those who went Airborne. The point e=generally being that if you could walk away after the flight (as in, including crashes), it was a “perfectly good airplane”.

“not perfectly good” meant you didn’t walk away. Sorry to have confused you!

 

[otjm]

I did a bit of flying in a Bird Dog doing “bomb damage assessment” down in the U Minh - except we were not using bombs; only 2.75" rockets and the minigun the night before. Most of the flying was in a Mohawk for photo runs. Adequate, certainly not spectacular as a radar/infrared/photo platform. and then only mission critical; they seemed to either think we were more valuable than the camera maintenance people, or didn’t want us to get flight pay.

Oh, and the Bird Dog had either hard points or flechettes. Made hanging out the window unnecessary.

 

[vern_humphrey]

I saw a .51 caliber green tracer come through a Bird Dog. I was the luck one – a 7.62mm bullet hit the seat rail, fragmented and I won’t tell you where one fragment ended up – but the pilot was sore and unable to walk the next morning.

 

[HumbleIOughtToBe]

Intelligence does not equal better politics. See prior empires with smart dictators.

Next off I doubt the technology will be their to support AI supercomputer. Supercomputer means you got a lot of (hackable) computers in 1 spot. AI does not mean human level intelligence. It means seeking through data and testing lots of math functions to solve giant optimization problems.

everything based on surveys via the internet

Next off, humans are corrupt-able racist abortionist immigrant hating religion hating chain smoking vape doing fools, some of which espouse the notion of pedophilia. The AI makes decisions based off the survey results of the horrible people. Is this wise?

 

[niceatheist]

We used to have that. It was called “The Pope”. Laws were modeled after Catholic Teaching.

I can’t think of many legal systems that were based on Church teaching. Kingdoms and principalities recognized Church law, or more properly, the jurisdiction of the Church, but by and large the law of the Continent was based on the Justinian Code, which was by and large a compilation of Roman law dating back long before the Edict of Milan. In England, however, the Common Law was the governing body of law, and its origins are from the Anglo-Saxons, and is a descendant of pagan Germanic systems. Canon law served as a parallel legal system, not as a replacement, though obviously the Church, considering its own history with the late-era Roman Empire, was partial to Roman laws.