A New Theology

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Happiness is love. Happiness is not achieved by changing the world around us, but by changing ourselves. Heaven can be no better than Earth unless we are somehow transformed into better people. If we are simply transported to another place, or a different universe or a higher level of reality, our happiness will not increase in the slightest if we are not changed. If we are changed so that we have perfect love for each other, Heaven could take place on the Earth. It is the absolutely necessary change to us that results in Heaven, not the place to which we go.

Eternity is infinite, so a creature cannot have happiness for an eternity unless that creature has love that is infinite. Any creature that is less than perfect will eventual become miserable. Imagine existence in Heaven in the same beautiful mansion after a billion years. Not only must we be improved in order for Heaven to be Heaven, we must be made perfect in order for Heaven to remain Heaven for an eternity. Even if eternity consists of one eternal moment due to the elimination of time, happiness is love and happiness cannot be perfect unless love is perfect. We cannot make ourselves perfect, and no spiritual growth or development will ever cause us to become perfect, yet Heaven requires that we be perfect.

We are each one person, but we contain a physical body and a spiritual body. Our spiritual body is perfect love, but our physical mind tends to be selfish and causes all the poverty, war and unhappiness of this life.

There is only one God. Jesus is not a separate God; but with Jesus, God sent a small part of Himself into the world, like in the expression, “a chip off the old block.” This is why Jesus is called the Son of God and not the Brother of God. Jesus is the only one from the Earth who lived a life of complete and infinite perfection necessary for resurrection to eternal life.

In the end, Jesus will discard His flesh and go back to God, and He will again be one with God and there will be one God. Because of His Righteousness, God must respect us as individuals and not alter or use us as toys; but Christ is one of us; and since Christ discards His flesh, it is only fair and reasonable for us to be given the same opportunity. Once separated from our flesh, our spirit is found to be worthy of eternal life, and capable of enjoying eternal life.

This means that all people who possess unselfish love for others will be made perfect and will have eternal life through Christ regardless of their religious or non-religious beliefs.

This reconciles many conflicting verses in the Bible. We have eternal life through Christ, yet we are judged by our works. Our spirit is worthy of eternal life when judged by works, yet God predetermined who would be born with His spirit of love. When we have a spiritual experience, we find the spirit that God placed in our heart. The spirit was already there and was not created by the spiritual experience.

We don’t have to accept the unfair doctrine of substitution atonement. We can now reconcile Old Testament claims that God believes in Justice with New Testament claims that we who do not deserve eternal life are given eternal life by the righteousness of Christ. We have eternal life thanks to the “grace” of Christ, which separates our spirit from our flesh. Our spirit fairly deserves eternal life, so there is Justice.

The death of Christ does not “satisfy” a vengeful God since God is not cruel or unfair. God is infinite Love, Mercy, Compassion and Justice. Christ was without sin and should never have died. Christ had to be killed so that He could return to the Father and provide grace.

There is a reason that this had to be kept secret. If this method for the redemption of humanity is given widespread distribution, it will lead to Armageddon.

To find out how go to:

thesegladtidings.com
 
Greetings and peace be with you StashLazarus; and welcome to the forum, I enjoyed reading your first post.
God is infinite Love,
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I wonder if God’s love can be described through the second commandment?

God the Father loves each and ever one of us as he loves himself?

Can God love us more than he loves himself?

In the spirit of searching for God’s love

Eric
 
Hello and welcome!!

Wow, that is some post. Do you have a basis for this radical new theology? Where did you learn it?
 
From a quick glance of this, I have come to the conclusion that the website in question is either gnostic or part of some far-flung cult such as the jehovah’s witnesses. No further study of this thread is needed since the fullness of Truth resides in the Catholic Church, nowhere else.
 
Welcome StashLazarus.

I found this new theory scary - a new denomination is born, isn’t it?
Not only must we be improved in order for Heaven to be Heaven, we must be made perfect in order for Heaven to remain Heaven for an eternity.
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Heaven depends on us?
There is only one God. Jesus is not a separate God; but with Jesus, God sent a small part of Himself into the world
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“Father and I are one” - there is no small part of God in this world but His whole self.
We have eternal life thanks to the “grace” of Christ, which separates our spirit from our flesh. Our spirit fairly deserves eternal life, so there is Justice.
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At the end, we will have a new body too!
In the end, Jesus will discard His flesh and go back to God, and He will again be one with God and there will be one God.
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where do you find this conclusion?
 
Lucifer, called Satan or the devil is still in Heaven since the devil always managed to avoid openly committing a sin.
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It surely is not a Christian site.
 
Eric_Hyom said:
Greetings and peace be with you StashLazarus; and welcome to the forum, I enjoyed reading your first post.

I wonder if God’s love can be described through the second commandment?

God the Father loves each and ever one of us as he loves himself?

Can God love us more than he loves himself?

In the spirit of searching for God’s love

Eric
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I like to think that God loves us more than Himself. God loves righteousness, but hates evil, so there is part of us that He is against.
 
ralphinal said:
Hello and welcome!!

Wow, that is some post. Do you have a basis for this radical new theology? Where did you learn it?
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It developed from Primitive Baptist theology, although Primitive Baptist theology can vary from one church to another.
 
dbacks5439 said:
From a quick glance of this, I have come to the conclusion that the website in question is either gnostic or part of some far-flung cult such as the jehovah’s witnesses. No further study of this thread is needed since the fullness of Truth resides in the Catholic Church, nowhere else.
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Some similarity to Gnosticism, but not Gnosticism.
 
water said:
Welcome StashLazarus.

I found this new theory scary - a new denomination is born, isn’t it?

Heaven depends on us?

“Father and I are one” - there is no small part of God in this world but His whole self.

At the end, we will have a new body too!

where do you find this conclusion?
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Unlike any other interpretation of the Bible, this one can be proven true or false. If it is true, it will bring about the end. As far as Heaven depending on us, no the change to us comes from Christ and is not our doing. The idea that Christ is a part of God that goes back to God does make a lot in the Bible fit together very nicely.
 
water said:
It surely is not a Christian site.
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Christian is a follower of Christ. Someone who believes that Jesus is the Messiah. There are a lot of details we are allowed to disagree on, and still use the title Christian.
 
I don’t understand the idea that Christ discarded or will discard His flesh.

Did He not invite the doubting disciples to touch and feel His risen body for themselves, and hence believe that He is not a mere spirit? Did He not bodily ascend into heaven and take up His seat at the right hand of the Father? Will He not bodily return to earth to catch up the saints, and judge the living and the dead?

Will we not be resurrected with a heavenly body like Christ? (1 Corinthians chapter 15)

Peace,

Ryan 🙂
 
ryanoneil said:
I don’t understand the idea that Christ discarded or will discard His flesh.

Did He not invite the doubting disciples to touch and feel His risen body for themselves, and hence believe that He is not a mere spirit? Did He not bodily ascend into heaven and take up His seat at the right hand of the Father? Will He not bodily return to earth to catch up the saints, and judge the living and the dead?

Will we not be resurrected with a heavenly body like Christ? (1 Corinthians chapter 15)

Peace,

Ryan 🙂
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You are correct. Christ showed His disciples that He was raised in the flesh, and He carried His flesh back to Heaven to “sit at the right hand of God”.

Psalms 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Christ will not sit at the right hand of God for all eternity, but only until His enemies are made His footstool. In the end there is the Day of Judgment. Evil is destroyed. The enemies of God are “made his footstool.” At that time there is clearly something that changes, and Christ no longer sits at the right hand of God. That has great significance.

Notice also that Revelation refers to God the Father as Him that “was, is, and is to come”, but Revelation refers to Christ as “Alpha and Omega”, “The first and the last”, “the beginning and the end”. With Christ the middle is not mentioned since the middle is different, but in the end He will be as He was in the beginning. In the beginning Christ did not have flesh, but was part of God.

I agree that we will have a new or heaven body after the resurrection, but I interpret this as having to have to due with discarding our old body.
 
The problem is that you mixed goodness and evil together in Heaven. You also don’t see that it is God who prepares the place for us, not us making the Heaven perfect.

Remember that no defile can go to this perfect place - Satan does not have a sit in Heaven.

Also, the devil is lack of Love - without Love completely. There is no way they can avoid sins.
 
water said:
The problem is that you mixed goodness and evil together in Heaven. You also don’t see that it is God who prepares the place for us, not us making the Heaven perfect.

Remember that no defile can go to this perfect place - Satan does not have a sit in Heaven.

Also, the devil is lack of Love - without Love completely. There is no way they can avoid sins.
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I agree that it is God who prepares a place for us. My point is that it is not enough for Christ to forgive us. He must change us into creature that can enjoy Heaven. This is necessary not so that Heaven will exist, but so that it will be Heaven for us. Heaven don’t need us…God don’t need us…We must be perfect so that we can enjoy Heaven…so that it will be Heaven for us. Christ is the one who changes us and that change comes from Him, not from us.

As far as Satan still being in Heaven, there are three passages in the Bible that deal in some detail with Satan being cast from Heaven.

*Isaiah 14:12-15 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. *

In this passage Satan’s weakening of the nations is put in the past tense, and since Satan still seems to be weakening the nations to this very day, this suggests a future fulfillment. Notice also that Satan being brought down to hell is spoken of in the future tense.

Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Here Jesus talks of having seen Satan fall from Heaven, but He doesn’t actually say that this was something that occurred in the past, but only that He saw it. Being the Son of God, Jesus would be the greatest prophet ever to walk the Earth. He may not have given a lot of prophecy, but that’s not what He came to Earth to do. Jesus did foresee and foretell events of the future, so it’s possible He was describing a future event.

*Revelation 12:7-12 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. *

It is in Revelation we see the clearest indication that Satan is cast out in the end. So, if you look at these two ideas, a) Satan was cast a long time ago, or b) Satan is cast out in the end. The first two passages are not inconsistent with idea b, but the third passage does seem to rule out idea a. This dose not prove anything, but I think idea b is more credible since it is consistent with the entire Bible and inconsistent with none of it.

I also think the view that Satan was cast out of Heaven a long time ago to be unrealistic.

We live with uncertainty, and even Mother Theresa was sometimes unsure if God exists, but the angels would know that God exists. The demons would know that God exists. Satan would know that God is in complete control, and I find it a bit hard to believe that Satan would be so stupid as to openly rebel against God.

It is not power that Satan has a shortage of, Satan has a void of love. Satan is able to avoid openly committing a sin because of his powerful will. Satan hides hatred within himself, but in the end he gets caught. Satan thinks he has outsmarted God by using the Law to destroy humanity, but in the end, God turns the tables on the devil. Thanks entirely to Christ, humanity is redeemed and Satan is condemned.
 
StashLazarus said:
I like to think that God loves us more than Himself. God loves righteousness, but hates evil, so there is part of us that He is against.
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Yes, it is the part which we lost and replaced with sin nature. We are not fully human, for we have a fallen nature. Sanctification through the sacraments of the church help us to become whole again and more fully human, that is the goal. To become as we were originally created, like Adam and Eve.
 
yes, to your eyes, you can’t tell where Satan works. He surely has that capability - In God’s eyes, Satan is what He is. God is not sitting in Throne in Heaven mixing up good and evils.

For all this, are you implying you also reject the reality of Hell? That is where you can actually find Satan now.
 
water said:
yes, to your eyes, you can’t tell where Satan works. He surely has that capability - In God’s eyes, Satan is what He is. God is not sitting in Throne in Heaven mixing up good and evils.

For all this, are you implying you also reject the reality of Hell? That is where you can actually find Satan now.
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IMHO There is no eternally tormenting hell. The traditional concept of hell comes more from Dante than the Bible. The Bible talks of punishment, and it talks of eternity, but you don’t see both punishment and eternity clearly together except when Satan is cast into the lake of fire. It is said that Satan will be tormented day and night forever and ever, but day and night…time itself…is said to come to an end. So, it isn’t clear if even Satan will suffer in hell.

As I see it the lake of fire destroys, not torments, it destroys all evil. Death and hell are said to be cast into the fire. If Satan were now in the lake of fire, he would be destroyed.
 
StashLazarus said:
IMHO There is no eternally tormenting hell. The traditional concept of hell comes more from Dante than the Bible. The Bible talks of punishment, and it talks of eternity, but you don’t see both punishment and eternity clearly together except when Satan is cast into the lake of fire. It is said that Satan will be tormented day and night forever and ever, but day and night…time itself…is said to come to an end. So, it isn’t clear if even Satan will suffer in hell.

As I see it the lake of fire destroys, not torments, it destroys all evil. Death and hell are said to be cast into the fire. If Satan were now in the lake of fire, he would be destroyed.
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It does make sense when you think Satan is still in Heaven because You don’t believe in Hell.

The Hell There Is!

But the eternal nature of hell is stressed in the New Testament. For example, in Mark 9:47–48 Jesus warns us, "t is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, where the worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched." And in Revelation 14:11, we read: “And the smoke of their torment goes up for ever and ever; and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”
 
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