A non-catholic marrying a catholic.

[Cheshangle]

I’m sorry if you’re gravely worried. The family in question isn’t. Surely there are far worse things to worry about?

 

[Cheshangle]

This is not correct. The Catholic party must promise to raise the children in the faith and the non catholic party must be made aware of this promise.

I think I’m saying that underne temere there was a stronger obligation than under matrimonia mixta, which replaced it in 1970. For example, references to excommunication (for non-compliance) were omitted. Certainly ne temere caused all sorts of grief and strife, and was eagerly latched on to by northern Irish Protestants as something to hold against the RC Church.

 

[Cheshangle]

Hello everyone.
So, basically, I’m a non-Catholic, but I was baptized as a Lutheran Protestant. So my father withdraw my religion at the age of 11, reason for that is he wanted me to choose my own religion. At present, I don’t have any religion, but I see myself as an Agnostic person.
So my question is, is it OK to marry a Catholic?
Thank you for taking your time in answering my question

Just for the record, my RC niece married a Quaker. As a compromise they got married in a Church of England church. The children are being brought up Quaker, and not baptised, but received a blesssing from a CofE priest.

Another marriage I know was between an Orthodox man and a RC. Again, they got married in a CofE church. The children were baptised and confirmed Anglican.

Very convenient, the Church of England.

 

[Cheshangle]

I see. So a RC taking communion in an Anglican church is worse than child abuse, poverty, starvation, tsunamis, abortion, brutality, racism, mass murder, terrorism, etc, etc?

Please think again.

 

[Cheshangle]

Do I tell my niece that her children are b~stards? Since she is no longer a practicing RC, I doubt if she’ll worry.

Do I tell my Orthodox friend that he has been automatically excommunicated? I doubt if he’s aware of this since he only takes communion once or twice a year.

I was married in a CofE church. Is my marriage valid?

 

[josephback]

And I think nobody disapproves of this silly man originated segregation more than Jesus himself.

It is not silly when you have conflicting beliefs. The God of Israel told His people to “come out from among them and be separate”:yup: Religous segregation is very Biblical.

 

[kylemccloughan]

I think truth has more to do with it than anything.

 

[adrift]

I see. So a RC taking communion in an Anglican church is worse than child abuse, poverty, starvation, tsunamis, abortion, brutality, racism, mass murder, terrorism, etc, etc?

Please think again.

He didn’t say that what he did say was that it was a grave matter. Grave matter means it is mortal to the soul. You make an invalid comparison. Poverty, starvation, and tsunamis have nothing to do with morality.

The other things you mention are morality issues. If is kills the soul, it does not matter which sin it is. If you murder two people, is your soul more dead than if you murder one?

Scripture warns about receiving unworthly. Unworthly, would be to pretend to receive that which you know to be invalid.

 

[Cheshangle]

He didn’t say that what he did say was that it was a grave matter. Grave matter means it is mortal to the soul. You make an invalid comparison. Poverty, starvation, and tsunamis have nothing to do with morality.

The other things you mention are morality issues. If is kills the soul, it does not matter which sin it is. If you murder two people, is your soul more dead than if you murder one?

Scripture warns about receiving unworthly. Unworthly, would be to pretend to receive that which you know to be invalid.

He said he found few things more worrying.

And does taking communion at an Anglican service “kill the soul” of a RC? In that case both Mary McAleese and Joan Kenndy Smith have “dead souls”.

As an Anglican, is my sould killed each time I receive communion in my church. Or perhaps you think I haven’t got a soul?

I know Anglicans who take (occasoional) communion in RC churches, sometimes with the priest’s agreement. Does that kill their souls? (If they have them).

 

[adrift]

He said he found few things more worrying.

And does taking communion at an Anglican service “kill the soul” of a RC? In that case both Mary McAleese and Joan Kenndy Smith have “dead souls”.

As an Anglican, is my sould killed each time I receive communion in my church. Or perhaps you think I haven’t got a soul?

I know Anglicans who take (occasoional) communion in RC churches, sometimes with the priest’s agreement. Does that kill their souls? (If they have them).

No one can judge another’s soul only God can do that. Objectively we can know that certain acts will deprive us of the grace of God-kills one soul. Dead souls lack the grace of God but that does not mean that cannot be reconciled to God and regain His grace. Your standing before God is between Him and you. We can tell what is grave matter that is actions or inactions that deprive our soul of grace.

 

[Cheshangle]

I hear the word strawman/men occasionally, but I’m not sure what it means.

PS Have you heard the phrase, “no true Scotsman”?

 

[Cheshangle]

No one can judge another’s soul only God can do that. Objectively we can know that certain acts will deprive us of the grace of God-kills one soul. Dead souls lack the grace of God but that does not mean that cannot be reconciled to God and regain His grace. Your standing before God is between Him and you. We can tell what is grave matter that is actions or inactions that deprive our soul of grace.

i) Do you know “objectively” that when a RC receives the holy eucharist from an Anglican priest s/he is deprived of the grace of God (and her/his soul killed)?

ii) Would this happen if s/he accepted a blessing?

iii) When I receive communion in an Anglican church am I deprived of the grace of God? (And my soul killed?).

iv) Would I be if I took communion in a RC church?

v) Or accepted a blessing?

 

[LDNCatholic]

I see. So a RC taking communion in an Anglican church is worse than child abuse, poverty, starvation, tsunamis, abortion, brutality, racism, mass murder, terrorism, etc, etc?

Please think again.

It’s a mortal sin.

Unconfessed mortal sins lead to Hell.

Hell is worse than any of those things mentioned.

Catholics are called to admonish those in a state of mortal sin, we are not supposed to remain silent when they are described. I too find it sad that so many of your friends have left the Church and the Truth. They have put their Salvation in jeopardy.

So have the people you mentioned previously. Catholics who partake in communion with Churches where communion does not exist are committing a grave sin.

 

[Cheshangle]

Aye, but you’ve misunderstood the no true Scotsman falacy which goes like this:

i) No true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge

ii) But Willie Maclay of Arbroath puts sugar on his.

iii) So W Maclay is not a true Scotsman

Similarly:

i) No tue Catholic uses contraception

ii) But Seamus Murphy of Cobh uses it

iii) So S Murphy is not a true Catholic.

Now please tell me what a strawman is.

 

[LDNCatholic]

Aye, but you’ve misunderstood the no true Scotsman falacy which goes like this:

i) No true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge

ii) But Willie Maclay of Arbroath puts sugar on his.

iii) So W Maclay is not a true Scotsman

Similarly:

i) No tue Catholic uses contraception

ii) But Seamus Murphy of Cobh uses it

iii) So S Murphy is not a true Catholic.

Now please tell me what a strawman is.

Scottishness is an ethnicity. Catholicism is an ideology.

One can fall short of the expectations of being a Catholic (by sinning, for example) and be labelled a Catholic in name only etc.

There is no behaviour that will strip you of your ethnicity.

 

[Cheshangle]

Scottishness is an ethnicity. Catholicism is an ideology.

One can fall short of the expectations of being a Catholic (by sinning, for example) and be labelled a Catholic in name only etc.

There is no behaviour that will strip you of your ethnicity.

Well, that must be worrying for you. The great majority of RCs I know fall short of your standards in many respects, eg by using contraception or by failing to attend church every Sunday. Ergo they are “catholic in name only”.

PS You still haven’t told me what a strawman is.

 

[4Squarebaby]

Well, that must be worrying for you. The great majority of RCs I know fall short of your standards in many respects, eg by using contraception or by failing to attend church every Sunday. Ergo they are “catholic in name only”.

PS You still haven’t told me what a strawman is.

a “strawman” is an intentionally weak representative of your opponent created for the purpose of being easily attacked and defeated. according to wiki in the UK its called an Aunt Sally argument.

 

[rinnie]

Hello everyone.
So, basically, I’m a non-Catholic, but I was baptized as a Lutheran Protestant. So my father withdraw my religion at the age of 11, reason for that is he wanted me to choose my own religion. At present, I don’t have any religion, but I see myself as an Agnostic person.
So my question is, is it OK to marry a Catholic?
Thank you for taking your time in answering my question

Yes, and here is what usually happens. I have seen it more then not.

Say you marry a good strong Catholic and He or She goes to Church every Sunday, Holy Days etc. eventually it will be your love for your spouse that will eventually get you to go with them once in awhile.

First it will be Christmas etc. Then every oher Sunday and then POW:nunchuk: You are going to get hit point blank by the POWER of the Holy Spirit.

And then you are going to thirst for more and more and God is going to give you more and more grace until :newidea: It sinks in.

Then you will possibly be a better and stronger Catholic then your spouse, And you will be very happy.:hug3:

 

[nhylan]

Yes, and here is what usually happens. I have seen it more then not.

Say you marry a good strong Catholic and He or She goes to Church every Sunday, Holy Days etc. eventually it will be your love for your spouse that will eventually get you to go with them once in awhile.

First it will be Christmas etc. Then every oher Sunday and then POW:nunchuk: You are going to get hit point blank by the POWER of the Holy Spirit.

And then you are going to thirst for more and more and God is going to give you more and more grace until :newidea: It sinks in.

Then you will possibly be a better and stronger Catholic then your spouse, And you will be very happy.:hug3:

very cute. love all the faces!

 

[LDNCatholic]

Well, that must be worrying for you. The great majority of RCs I know fall short of your standards in many respects, eg by using contraception or by failing to attend church every Sunday. Ergo they are “catholic in name only”.

PS You still haven’t told me what a strawman is.

I never brought up strawman arguments.

And yes, it is worrying for me that so many people are endangering their immortal souls.

You seem very triumphalist about all this cheshangle, I now have my doubts that you are on this forum for honest reasons.