A possible cause of Christian Anti-Semitism

[Lapell]

And I take it those who mask their hate (a bit like wolves dressed like sheep) are the ones successfully bringing a number of unsuspecting people to share their views and maybe make these even worse than themselves…

 

[LDNCatholic]

In addition, there are: members who identify as white nationalists, and are neither hate-filled nor masking their hate.

Seriously, the kind of stuff you are saying is akin to the accusation that all Christians are homophobic bigots, or are masking their homophobia with religion. As a Catholic, I am surprised that you could so easily fall into the same trap used against you and your religion.

I’ve fallen into no trap. I have seen no peaceful talk from those people except in the areas of the forum in which violence is unlikely to be discussed, such as homemaking.

Otherwise all I have seen on that particular forum is nasty comments, many promoting violence, most highly prejudiced, all coming from the same school of thought.

 

[Kaninchen]

Hey, some people joined the NSDAP for the knitting soirées.

 

[LDNCatholic]

Hey, some people joined the NSDAP for the knitting soirées.

And the creché service.

 

[Lapell]

In addition, there are: members who identify as white nationalists, and are neither hate-filled nor masking their hate.

Seriously, the kind of stuff you are saying is akin to the accusation that all Christians are homophobic bigots, or are masking their homophobia with religion. As a Catholic, I am surprised that you could so easily fall into the same trap used against you and your religion.

Well, where do YOU stand? Behind Christ or in front of Him?

 

[Blackbog]

I’ve fallen into no trap. I have seen no peaceful talk from those people except in the areas of the forum in which violence is unlikely to be discussed, such as homemaking.

Otherwise all I have seen on that particular forum is nasty comments, many promoting violence, most highly prejudiced, all coming from the same school of thought.

Well, I’m sorry that your experience on those forums was a negative one.

I myself identify as a racialist, someone who believes in race as a significant factor in determining physical and mental traits, and a nationalist in the sense that I acknowledge a race or nation’s political rights to self-determination. I am also a Catholic who believes that all men are equally endowed with rational souls and that the destiny of man is a common one.

That said, I would like to personally convey to you this knowledge, that I am coming from that “school of thought” and am neither hate-filled, nor masking hate. I also peruse and post on Stormfront.

 

[LDNCatholic]

Well, I’m sorry that your experience on those forums was a negative one.

I myself identify as a racialist, someone who believes in race as a significant factor in determining physical and mental traits, and a nationalist in the sense that I acknowledge a race or nation’s political rights to self-determination. I am also a Catholic who believes that all men are equally endowed with rational souls and that the destiny of man is a common one.

That said, I would like to personally convey to you this knowledge, that I am coming from that “school of thought” and am neither hate-filled, nor masking hate. I also peruse and post on Stormfront.

He who lies down with dogs wakes up with fleas.

I cannot apologise for my comments as I stand by my opinions on those who judge others based on race, regardless of their personal opinion on whether it constitutes hate.

That said my only hope is that you are Catholic enough to at least not be a racist who pursues action against those of other races. That is not a presumption of your faith, just a hope that evil thought will not lead to evil action.

Out of interest, do you see the U.S as a white nation? My apologies if you’re not in the States.

 

[Blackbog]

He who lies down with dogs wakes up with fleas.

I cannot apologise for my comments as I stand by my opinions on those who judge others based on race, regardless of their personal opinion on whether it constitutes hate.

We can agree to disagree.

That said my only hope is that you are Catholic enough to at least not be a racist who pursues action against those of other races. That is not a presumption of your faith, just a hope that evil thought will not lead to evil action.

If at any time I understand my beliefs to be at odds with Catholic teaching, I would abandon my beliefs in favor of what the Church teaches, however I do not presently see any conflict between the two.

Out of interest, do you see the U.S as a white nation? My apologies if you’re not in the States.

Define “white nation,” as I’m not sure what you mean by that, so that I may better address your question.

 

[LDNCatholic]

Define “white nation,” as I’m not sure what you mean by that, so that I may better address your question.

A nation that ‘‘belongs’’ to people of the Caucasian persuasion. Do you believe that the others should be deported, segregated or otherwise removed from America?

 

[HashemEchad]

I think saying that your mother-and half your family- was Catholic and you never heard of Jesus, is like saying you are an Orthodox Jew but your four year old doesn’t know Torah.

I would say that she did not pick up any antisemitism in the Gospel, because it is understood by the overwhelming majority of all Catholics that we all played a part in the fall of man and the Passion of Christ. When “the Jews” are referenced in the Gospel, Catholics realize that it is understood in the context of the Pharisees and Sadduccees; those responsible for instruction and ministry to God’s children. For it to mean all Jews is reading what is not there.

The reason why I was able to say my mom was raised Catholic and her family was Catholic, yet I’d never heard of Jesus, is because her family lived pretty far from us and I rarely saw them.

And my mom did not share with me anything about her childhood religion until my teens, when I began asking her (she converted to Orthodox Judaism long before I was born.) She tried to put her past behind her, esp. since we lived in a very Orthodox Jewish community.

 

[Blackbog]

A nation that ‘‘belongs’’ to people of the Caucasian persuasion. Do you believe that the others should be deported, segregated or otherwise removed from America?

I believe that America owes its system of government, its present prosperity and development primarily to whites. I also believe that a non-white population will be incapable or at least unlikely of maintaining the level and/or nature of civilization and development that was instituted and pursued by white people.

I make no claim as to the rightful ownership of America as a geographic land mass. I do not support deportation, except in the case of illegal immigrants. That is because I believe in the rule of law, and has less to do with any nationalist sentiments I might have.

I do support private individuals’ rights (though they presently have none) to discriminate based on race, in hiring, business relations, et cetera. I also believe that local and state governments should have the right to pass segregation laws.

 

[HashemEchad]

Regarding the discussion about race: I’m going to say something that may shock you since I’m Jewish. But I see nothing wrong with white people being proud of their race, as long as it does not also degenerate into hating those who are not white.

Everyone is entitled to be proud of what they are, regardless of what their race is. I have encountered blatant racists who hate people for their race, but also white people (and black people) who were proud of their race and its accomplishments, without feeling a need to hate those who did not belong to their race.

To me, race is like ethnicity. People are often proud of their ethnic group (Irish, Italian, German, etc), and this does not have to automatically equate with hating anyone who is not part of their ethnicity.

 

[Lapell]

Well, I’m sorry that your experience on those forums was a negative one.

I myself identify as a racialist, someone who believes in race as a significant factor in determining physical and mental traits, and a nationalist in the sense that I acknowledge a race or nation’s political rights to self-determination. I am also a Catholic who believes that all men are equally endowed with rational souls and that the destiny of man is a common one.

That said, I would like to personally convey to you this knowledge, that I am coming from that “school of thought” and am neither hate-filled, nor masking hate. I also peruse and post on Stormfront.

Ever since there was a Hitler, you will understand that it’s hard for us to trust you 100%. However, if you have any goodwill, and you probably have, I think we’ll let you an opportunity to show it. But don’t be surprised if we are still on our guards, though.

 

[Lapell]

I believe that America owes its system of government, its present prosperity and development primarily to whites. I also believe that a non-white population will be incapable or at least unlikely of maintaining the level and/or nature of civilization and development that was instituted and pursued by white people.

I make no claim as to the rightful ownership of America as a geographic land mass. I do not support deportation, except in the case of illegal immigrants. That is because I believe in the rule of law, and has less to do with any nationalist sentiments I might have.

I do support private individuals’ rights (though they presently have none) to discriminate based on race, in hiring, business relations, et cetera. I also believe that local and state governments should have the right to pass segregation laws.

Segregation laws of which kind?

 

[Lapell]

Also, Blackbog, when you speak of “illegal immigrants”, can you describe in detail what kind of people you have in mind? Some seem to be in an illegal position just because some employee of the Immigration Service decided it was the case even before he took the pain (if he /she did) to seriously study the case…

 

[Blackbog]

Segregation laws of which kind?

Of any fair and just kind, generally speaking. I think multiculturalism and forced racial integration is essentially dangerous and creates evils worse than the ones it intends to remedy.

 

[Blackbog]

Also, Blackbog, when you speak of “illegal immigrants”, can you describe in detail what kind of people you have in mind? Some seem to be in an illegal position just because some employee of the Immigration Service decided it was the case even before he took the pain (if he /she did) to seriously study the case…

Any person that is on American soil and, by that very act, is in violation of American law. That’s what I mean.

Mistakes occur all the time, across the legal spectrum. If someone is falsely imprisoned for a murder, I do not then believe that we should stop prosecuting murders.

 

[Lapell]

Of any fair and just kind, generally speaking. I think multiculturalism and forced racial integration is essentially dangerous and creates evils worse than the ones it intends to remedy.

Hum! this is very vague? Can you be more specific? I need examples to understand your point.

 

[Lapell]

Any person that is on American soil and, by that very act, is in violation of American law. That’s what I mean.

Mistakes occur all the time, across the legal spectrum. If someone is falsely imprisoned for a murder, I do not then believe that we should stop prosecuting murders.

Indeed, and the innocent should not pay for the culprits!
I don’t know the whole of American laws, since I live outside the USA… any chance there might be a few laws not quite in tune with true righteousness and Justice with a capital J (concerning immigration and minorities, of course)?

 

[Pier]

One heck of a post!
Baruch Hashem

Thank you

That was a wonderful post, and thank you for mentioning the olive tree analogy that Paul discusses in Romans 11. Too many Christians forget about it, and I wonder if Paul put it in there because he sensed that, as the church became more gentile, that might become an issue?

BTW when I was little, I was beaten up by 4 Catholic school girls as a ‘christ killer’. When I got home and my parents were cleaning me up, my mother and father explained to me what that was all about (I’d never heard of Jesus before, even though half my family was Catholic.) I’d certainly never been called a ‘christ killer’ before!

My mom said that as a kid in Catholic school (she is a convert to Judaism), she always felt guilty as an Italian because they said the Roman soldiers nailed Jesus to the cross. Evidently she did not pick up any antisemitic messages about Jews having done it (and to their credit, Italian-Americans are highly devoid of antisemitism…most antisemitic Catholics I’ve met were of Irish ancestry).

Thank you to you as well…

May I add - I am also of Irish descent, and can only think to quote Christ concerning forgiving such ignorant trespasses (), as He did.